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Thread started 06/21/22 9:14am

Krid

2nd show that night bootleg - why is the sound so awesome?

I happened to go through my boots, and stopped at one of our all-time favourites, the Den Haag Trojan Horse show. I remember that even as a teenager, I was blown away not only from the show, but also the great sound quality, and I am still amazed now... (I originally got this on CD from x REKORDS, but are now listening to a Sabotage remaster).

Does anyone know how the sound files got smuggled out? Doing a Google search, I could not find much, only read somewhere on the internet that the clubs sound engineer made a copy, and that Prince enquired and actually had him fired. Don't know if this is true... But why is the sound so great, did they have special equipment? Or was the engineer a genius?

If anyone knows and would like to share - highly appreciated

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Reply #1 posted 06/21/22 2:55pm

mb71

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You know it's recorded from the soundboard right?

Anyway, your X Records version is probably all you'll ever need.

No need for the Sab slightly louder-cd repress-we-don't-have-anymore-unreleased-or-improved-free-releases-to-press-on-useless-cd's-so-we-will-remaster-previous-stuff-to-rape-you-for-your-dollar-bullshit.

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Reply #2 posted 06/22/22 1:09am

Krid

mb71 said:

You know it's recorded from the soundboard right?

Anyway, your X Records version is probably all you'll ever need.

No need for the Sab slightly louder-cd repress-we-don't-have-anymore-unreleased-or-improved-free-releases-to-press-on-useless-cd's-so-we-will-remaster-previous-stuff-to-rape-you-for-your-dollar-bullshit.

Yess, I know it is recorded from soundboard. But still, I have many other sound-board boots, and this somehow sounds much better.

And don't worry - I did not buy the Sabotage release biggrin

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Reply #3 posted 06/22/22 4:53am

Se7en

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For as many bootlegs are out there (and in surprisingly great quality), this one is among the best!

Soundboard recording is amazing, and Prince was in top form at that aftershown.

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Reply #4 posted 06/22/22 11:04am

timmonshenry

Could it be because prince himself intended to release this and was thwarted by wb?
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Reply #5 posted 06/22/22 3:39pm

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Soundboard recordings are basically stereo recordings, so with whatever mix that was going to the house. There are many mixes going on at the same time of course, as most performers have monitors to hear themselves and some of what's going on.

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Now as to it sounding good, it's basically luck of the draw. The house mix has to compensate for the sound of the room, which is why the sound can vary wildly.

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If you look at the one nite alone live cds, they also came from a variety of a direct-to-stereo mix, according to, I think it was Femi who did them?

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Best case scenario, you have multitrack audio, which is why they could have such an improved sound on the Syracuse 85 re-issue.

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So, why does the Paard van Troje show sound so good? They may have played at a slightly lower volume (makes it easier to hear what's going on), the room might have an even sound, so it wasn't necessary to emphasise/de-emphasize certain frequencies. Maybe they didn't have to compensate for the amps of certain instruments (sometimes the stage amps are so loud you don't need that guitar or bass in the house mix anymore).

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tl;dr

Basically, it's luck.

[Edited 6/22/22 15:41pm]

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Reply #6 posted 06/23/22 3:11am

Krid

mediumdry said:

Soundboard recordings are basically stereo recordings, so with whatever mix that was going to the house. There are many mixes going on at the same time of course, as most performers have monitors to hear themselves and some of what's going on.

.

Now as to it sounding good, it's basically luck of the draw. The house mix has to compensate for the sound of the room, which is why the sound can vary wildly.

.

If you look at the one nite alone live cds, they also came from a variety of a direct-to-stereo mix, according to, I think it was Femi who did them?

.

Best case scenario, you have multitrack audio, which is why they could have such an improved sound on the Syracuse 85 re-issue.

.

So, why does the Paard van Troje show sound so good? They may have played at a slightly lower volume (makes it easier to hear what's going on), the room might have an even sound, so it wasn't necessary to emphasise/de-emphasize certain frequencies. Maybe they didn't have to compensate for the amps of certain instruments (sometimes the stage amps are so loud you don't need that guitar or bass in the house mix anymore).

.

tl;dr

Basically, it's luck.

[Edited 6/22/22 15:41pm]

Thanks for the info. How do the recordings of the mix get smuggled out? I suppose you put a DAT recorder at that time to the mixing board - but wouldn't that be the first thing to look for if security wants to prevent boots to happen? Well I guess at 4.00 am nobody cares too much any more... to our benefit ;=)

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Reply #7 posted 06/23/22 7:48am

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timmonshenry said:

Could it be because prince himself intended to release this and was thwarted by wb?

he would never release this.

he had many chances really, to release aftershows, live shows, and all manner of things, when he was a free agent, but he declined.

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Reply #8 posted 06/23/22 1:54pm

flaton

Security was as always very tight. The Trojan Horse has a smaller room upstairs and the mixing consoles were linked what apparently nobody knew. Edgar Kruize’s book ‘the dutch experience’ has lots of nice info about it all.
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Reply #9 posted 06/28/22 9:49am

TUFKATweety

Here's the story

https://youtu.be/AtrbMJXWUmg?t=911

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Reply #10 posted 06/30/22 6:15am

Krid

TUFKATweety said:

Here's the story

https://youtu.be/AtrbMJXWUmg?t=911

Thank you! That was highly interesting.

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Reply #11 posted 06/30/22 8:50am

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Krid said:



TUFKATweety said:


Here's the story



https://youtu.be/AtrbMJXWUmg?t=911





Thank you! That was highly interesting.


This YouTube clip is really great information. This should have like 100,000 views. There is Arthur giving us the story of how we got the soundboard recording.
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