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Thread started 05/15/22 4:07pm

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Bond. Prince Bond.

I have a Tina Turner playlist on my iPhone that I shuffle when I'm sewing. "Golden Eye" is in there (the longer version from the US edition of Wildest Dreams).

I feel like maybe this has been talked about before, although a long time ago.

Do we know for sure if Prince was ever asked to do a James Bond theme? It seems that the early 90s when he was using big arrangements (eg: "Diamonds and Pearls," "3 Chains O' Gold"), or even earlier with things like "Crystal Ball," or cinematic takes like the Parade album that he would've been perfect to tap for a theme song.

I don't really know if there's an existing song that could truly serve as a 007 theme (although apparently anything seems possible after something like "Die Another Day" by Madonna, which - in retrospect - feels like a sore thumb), but surely he could've challenged himself to come up with something amazing.

I would also hope that even after the challenge of Batman that he'd still be open to at least offering a theme song for a movie. He did for Girl 6. Bond is another animal of course. It's specific in that there are elements that belong in a Bond song. I think "Golden Eye" and "Skyfall" certainly pull in those elements more than "Die Another Day."

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Reply #1 posted 05/15/22 4:29pm

LoveGalore

As much as I would love for him to have done a Bond theme, I kinda think he would let himself get in his own way.

Prince was really really good when he was speaking from his own perspective and viewpoint but I think he faltered when he tried to put himself in other people's shoes. Consensus on the Batman album is that it is the weakest of the decade and I'd agree with that - most of those songs were reworked things he was already considering for his own release, but then forced through the lens of a story that only loosely fit the soundtrack itself.

Can you imagine Prince being able to pull off something as epic, thematically versatile, but also relevant to the story as "The World Is Not Enough"? I dunno. I'm skeptical.

It reminds me of Amy Winehouse and how she bungled her chance to have a Bond theme by similarly not being able to transfer her artistic vision seamlessly into an already-established context.
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Reply #2 posted 05/15/22 5:09pm

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Well Winehouse was a drunk. And although Prince was addicted to drugs, he got work done.

Either way: I agree about Batman. But the better songs were written new, IMO. I don't think it's the weakest of a decade considering the mesh and old song rehash of Graffiti Bridge was a year later. And do we mean the 80s in general? Or from 88-98? Either way, I think it's a strong album; stronger than GB but on level with Diamonds and Pearls. Anyhoo...

I do think if Prince was given a purpose, he'd have lived up to it. He was versatile enough to record not only every kind of song around, but write one specifically for an artist's genre. I can see him being fully capable, based on that, of writing a Bond theme. I'm not sure it'd be as Bond-y as "Goldeneye," Live and Let Die," "Skyfall" or even "A View to a Kill" which seems to be a great mesh of Bond elements as well as Duran's aural aesthetic (and was a #1 for them).

I can see it being a PRINCE song, ya know, but he was good at borrowing, paying homage, or whatever. So if he had to put some Bond shit into a song, he could've done it.

I'm interested to know if he was ever asked, and passed on it for whatever reason. Not sure anyone would know, or they just haven't said so yet.

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Reply #3 posted 05/15/22 5:50pm

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TrivialPursuit said:

Well Winehouse was a drunk. And although Prince was addicted to drugs, he got work done.

Either way: I agree about Batman. But the better songs were written new, IMO. I don't think it's the weakest of a decade considering the mesh and old song rehash of Graffiti Bridge was a year later. And do we mean the 80s in general? Or from 88-98? Either way, I think it's a strong album; stronger than GB but on level with Diamonds and Pearls. Anyhoo...

I do think if Prince was given a purpose, he'd have lived up to it. He was versatile enough to record not only every kind of song around, but write one specifically for an artist's genre. I can see him being fully capable, based on that, of writing a Bond theme. I'm not sure it'd be as Bond-y as "Goldeneye," Live and Let Die," "Skyfall" or even "A View to a Kill" which seems to be a great mesh of Bond elements as well as Duran's aural aesthetic (and was a #1 for them).

I can see it being a PRINCE song, ya know, but he was good at borrowing, paying homage, or whatever. So if he had to put some Bond shit into a song, he could've done it.

I'm interested to know if he was ever asked, and passed on it for whatever reason. Not sure anyone would know, or they just haven't said so yet.


He did do an orchestral score for Batman soundtrack, so I recall. But Tim Burton passed on it, favoring Danny Elfman instead. That didn't stop Prince though, who resorted to rollerskating to get it out of his system.

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Reply #4 posted 05/15/22 6:36pm

Milty2

TrivialPursuit said:

Well Winehouse was a drunk. And although Prince was addicted to drugs, he got work done.

Sheesh....you make it sound like he addicted to drugs for just for kicks.

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Reply #5 posted 05/15/22 7:08pm

TrevorAyer

eye could see the live undertaker guitar jam being a theme song for a bond movie called the undertaker ... p could easily put a bond theme flourish over the two note crawl that anchors the song .. other songs from that era such as days of wild and the ride would work well in club scenes ..

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Reply #6 posted 05/15/22 7:21pm

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TrivialPursuit said:

Well Winehouse was a drunk. And although Prince was addicted to drugs, he got work done.

Either way: I agree about Batman. But the better songs were written new, IMO. I don't think it's the weakest of a decade considering the mesh and old song rehash of Graffiti Bridge was a year later. And do we mean the 80s in general? Or from 88-98? Either way, I think it's a strong album; stronger than GB but on level with Diamonds and Pearls. Anyhoo...

I do think if Prince was given a purpose, he'd have lived up to it. He was versatile enough to record not only every kind of song around, but write one specifically for an artist's genre. I can see him being fully capable, based on that, of writing a Bond theme. I'm not sure it'd be as Bond-y as "Goldeneye," Live and Let Die," "Skyfall" or even "A View to a Kill" which seems to be a great mesh of Bond elements as well as Duran's aural aesthetic (and was a #1 for them).

I can see it being a PRINCE song, ya know, but he was good at borrowing, paying homage, or whatever. So if he had to put some Bond shit into a song, he could've done it.

I'm interested to know if he was ever asked, and passed on it for whatever reason. Not sure anyone would know, or they just haven't said so yet.



When someone says "the decade", they usually mean the '80s (or '70s or '90s or whatever the case may be),

I believe he's saying of the run of 1980s albums, from Dirty Mind through Batman, Batman was the weakest. I strongly agree.

Yes, Graffit Bridge was weak too, but that was a '90s album. If we're talking the decade of the '80s, then Batman is at the bottom of the list.


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Reply #7 posted 05/15/22 10:16pm

LoveGalore

Milty2 said:



TrivialPursuit said:


Well Winehouse was a drunk. And although Prince was addicted to drugs, he got work done.



Sheesh....you make it sound like he addicted to drugs for just for kicks.



Sometimes the truth hurts. Prince was a drug addict. Amy Winehouse was an alcoholic and drug addict. I don't think Prince's choices that led to his drug addiction are anymore valorous than Amy's choices that led to her addictions. They both were in some serious pain and clearly lingered in ambivalence long enough that it killed them both. Horrible, painful, shameful accidental deaths.

But that also isn't the point of this thread, which is the Bond theme. Steering back to that, I still think Prince wasn't really able to perform at his best when he was at the mercy of someone else's direction or when he was trying to blend his vision with theirs.

Take a look at any of his so called collaborations, which were basically Prince robbing the original artist of their own POV in favor of his while also kinda coming across as tone deaf. "Why Should I Love You", "Waiting Room" spring to mind as does "Emotional Pump" and "By Alien Means."
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Reply #8 posted 05/16/22 2:08am

EmmaMcG

On paper, I think Prince would have been a horrible choice to do a Bond song. Then again, had I been alive in 1989, I would have thought he'd have been a horrible choice to do the Batman soundtrack and aside from a couple of stinkers, that album turned out well enough and Partyman and Trust really fit the Joker character.


Also, I would have thought that U2 would be a horrible choice for just about anything and yet, Bono and The Edge wrote GoldenEye, the best Bond song by far.

To make a long story short, I haven't got a clue lol
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Reply #9 posted 05/16/22 2:35am

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I can see for a future Bond film the song 'Vicki Waiting' used as the theme tune - with P's vocals digitally altered to sound like Shirley Bassey. In the film Bond is too busy killing bad guys and getting off with other women to remember Vicki exists. So she is kept waiting. neutral


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Reply #10 posted 05/16/22 3:52am

BlueShakooo

I always thought "In A Large Room With No Light" should have been a Bond song.
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Reply #11 posted 05/16/22 3:58am

LoveGalore

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I always thought "In A Large Room With No Light" should have been a Bond song.


...have you ever heard any of the Bond songs? lol.
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Reply #12 posted 05/16/22 4:34am

BlueShakooo

LoveGalore said:

BlueShakooo said:

I always thought "In A Large Room With No Light" should have been a Bond song.


...have you ever heard any of the Bond songs? lol.

No, never.
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Reply #13 posted 05/16/22 4:44am

LoveGalore

BlueShakooo said:

LoveGalore said:



...have you ever heard any of the Bond songs? lol.

No, never.


Well, they're supposed to be big epic anthem songs like Strays of the World. IALRWNL is a bit too bouncy and whatnot, no?
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Reply #14 posted 05/16/22 4:50am

Milty2

LoveGalore said:

Milty2 said:

Sheesh....you make it sound like he addicted to drugs for just for kicks.

Sometimes the truth hurts. Prince was a drug addict.


None of know the truth about his addiction. Having said that, I believe he wasn't addicted to drugs simply for fun. Yes, he was in pain and he became addicted to relieve that pain. At least he tried to find help.

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Reply #15 posted 05/16/22 5:15am

LoveGalore

Milty2 said:



LoveGalore said:


Milty2 said:


Sheesh....you make it sound like he addicted to drugs for just for kicks.



Sometimes the truth hurts. Prince was a drug addict.


None of know the truth about his addiction. Having said that, I believe he wasn't addicted to drugs simply for fun. Yes, he was in pain and he became addicted to relieve that pain. At least he tried to find help.



I don't think anyone here has said Prince was a drug addict for fun. That's your own narrative. Folks can mention his drug addiction without the need for others to come to his defense. Everybody here loves Prince regardless of his struggles.

Edit to add: Amy Winehouse wasn't an addict for fun either and she also sought help multiple times.
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Reply #16 posted 05/16/22 5:51am

Milty2

LoveGalore said:

Milty2 said:


None of know the truth about his addiction. Having said that, I believe he wasn't addicted to drugs simply for fun. Yes, he was in pain and he became addicted to relieve that pain. At least he tried to find help.

I don't think anyone here has said Prince was a drug addict for fun. That's your own narrative. Folks can mention his drug addiction without the need for others to come to his defense. Everybody here loves Prince regardless of his struggles. Edit to add: Amy Winehouse wasn't an addict for fun either and she also sought help multiple times. [Edited 5/16/22 5:16am]

No narrative building on my part. I have a couple of friends who have struggled with terrible addiction and sometimes it's not as easy as just saying "so and so was a drug addict". You didn't say that but yeah I just don't like people tossing off those kinds of comments in particular of Prince.

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Reply #17 posted 05/16/22 6:05am

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fortuneandserendipity said:

TrivialPursuit said:

Well Winehouse was a drunk. And although Prince was addicted to drugs, he got work done.

Either way: I agree about Batman. But the better songs were written new, IMO. I don't think it's the weakest of a decade considering the mesh and old song rehash of Graffiti Bridge was a year later. And do we mean the 80s in general? Or from 88-98? Either way, I think it's a strong album; stronger than GB but on level with Diamonds and Pearls. Anyhoo...

I do think if Prince was given a purpose, he'd have lived up to it. He was versatile enough to record not only every kind of song around, but write one specifically for an artist's genre. I can see him being fully capable, based on that, of writing a Bond theme. I'm not sure it'd be as Bond-y as "Goldeneye," Live and Let Die," "Skyfall" or even "A View to a Kill" which seems to be a great mesh of Bond elements as well as Duran's aural aesthetic (and was a #1 for them).

I can see it being a PRINCE song, ya know, but he was good at borrowing, paying homage, or whatever. So if he had to put some Bond shit into a song, he could've done it.

I'm interested to know if he was ever asked, and passed on it for whatever reason. Not sure anyone would know, or they just haven't said so yet.


He did do an orchestral score for Batman soundtrack, so I recall. But Tim Burton passed on it, favoring Danny Elfman instead. That didn't stop Prince though, who resorted to rollerskating to get it out of his system.

soundsof71 - accgoo - Prince Batdance on skates!



According to the people who have heard some of his "score" for Batman it was mainly Madhouse type material.

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Reply #18 posted 05/16/22 8:33am

laytonian

Milty2 said:

TrivialPursuit said:

Well Winehouse was a drunk. And although Prince was addicted to drugs, he got work done.

Sheesh....you make it sound like he addicted to drugs for just for kicks.


Drug. One painkiller....and we don't know when it started (all evidence is the early 2000s during the second marriage).
Not like Tom Petty who died with a cocktail of drugs, including nonprescribed Fentanyl, in his system.

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Reply #19 posted 05/16/22 9:14am

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laytonian said:

Milty2 said:

Sheesh....you make it sound like he addicted to drugs for just for kicks.


Drug. One painkiller....and we don't know when it started (all evidence is the early 2000s during the second marriage).
Not like Tom Petty who died with a cocktail of drugs, including nonprescribed Fentanyl, in his system.


You don't know that it was one drug or not. And one drug is one too many. It only took one to kill him.

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Reply #20 posted 05/16/22 9:15am

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Milty2 said:

TrivialPursuit said:

Well Winehouse was a drunk. And although Prince was addicted to drugs, he got work done.

Sheesh....you make it sound like he addicted to drugs for just for kicks.


I don't know where you got that in what I said. My point was that Prince was a working and functioning addict. Winehouse was much less interested in her music versus her addiction.

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Reply #21 posted 05/16/22 10:48am

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fortuneandserendipity said:

TrivialPursuit said:

Well Winehouse was a drunk. And although Prince was addicted to drugs, he got work done.

Either way: I agree about Batman. But the better songs were written new, IMO. I don't think it's the weakest of a decade considering the mesh and old song rehash of Graffiti Bridge was a year later. And do we mean the 80s in general? Or from 88-98? Either way, I think it's a strong album; stronger than GB but on level with Diamonds and Pearls. Anyhoo...

I do think if Prince was given a purpose, he'd have lived up to it. He was versatile enough to record not only every kind of song around, but write one specifically for an artist's genre. I can see him being fully capable, based on that, of writing a Bond theme. I'm not sure it'd be as Bond-y as "Goldeneye," Live and Let Die," "Skyfall" or even "A View to a Kill" which seems to be a great mesh of Bond elements as well as Duran's aural aesthetic (and was a #1 for them).

I can see it being a PRINCE song, ya know, but he was good at borrowing, paying homage, or whatever. So if he had to put some Bond shit into a song, he could've done it.

I'm interested to know if he was ever asked, and passed on it for whatever reason. Not sure anyone would know, or they just haven't said so yet.


He did do an orchestral score for Batman soundtrack, so I recall. But Tim Burton passed on it, favoring Danny Elfman instead. That didn't stop Prince though, who resorted to rollerskating to get it out of his system.

soundsof71 - accgoo - Prince Batdance on skates!

Prince writing an orchestra score consists of him playing a melody and sometimes bassline on his keyboard and paying Clare Fischer do the actual work to make it sound interesting. Prince could not and did not "write scores" for any orchestra.

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Reply #22 posted 05/16/22 12:26pm

FrankieCoco1

David Friedlander, who worked as an engineer at Paisley Park at the time of the Batman album, has said “it was his music, not necessarily an orchestral score but music written for the movie by him. It included the Batman record but there were additional songs as well. For instance “the future” in the movie you hear it in a car driving by for 3 seconds. The song was written for the whole scene. My fave was the finale in the clock tower which Prince wrote “dance with the devil in the pale moonlight” they really screwed up not using that one!”

He also has said, “Those of us who got to see the movie w Princes score were caught off guard and frankly bummed out as to how little Tim chose to use. Prince’s score of Batman was amazing and I wish that they would rerelease the movie with it for the Prince fans that never got to see/hear it.”

But that’s Batman. Not heard anything about Prince being asked to do James Bond music.
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Reply #23 posted 05/16/22 1:49pm

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One song that comes to mind is Alexa de Paris. That has the feel of Bond, I think. I can imagine him singing to it.

Another Lonely Christmas with new lyrics might work. (Not that you would do that to the song, but the grandiose style would fit, I think.)

The opening to Shhh. Maybe the whole song, with new lyrics.

Anna Stesia, tho it's really hard to imagine such a personal song in another context.
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Reply #24 posted 05/16/22 2:18pm

TrivialPursuit

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PJMcGee said:

One song that comes to mind is Alexa de Paris. That has the feel of Bond, I think. I can imagine him singing to it. Another Lonely Christmas with new lyrics might work. (Not that you would do that to the song, but the grandiose style would fit, I think.) The opening to Shhh. Maybe the whole song, with new lyrics. Anna Stesia, tho it's really hard to imagine such a personal song in another context.


Ohhhhh, "Alexa De Paris" or even "Venus De Milo" with a bit of extra pomp would be good choices.

and yeah, I'd love to hear some solid ass lyrics and melody over "Alexa de Paris," but solely for this reason.

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Reply #25 posted 05/16/22 3:04pm

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He did a great job with "song of the heart" for happy feet. He is a genius to mix movie scenes into his song. I liked that with Batman as well. So he can really create a song to fit into a movie.
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He did a great job with "song of the heart" for happy feet. He is a genius to mix movie scenes into his song. I liked that with Batman as well. So he can really create a song to fit into a movie.


That wasn't my question, though. He's done a lot of songs for movies. My question was has he ever been asked to do a Bond theme, and maybe is there an existing song that could viably work as a 007 theme song.

He's not the first person to lend a song to a movie, or have some cross pollenation in their promotion of the song.

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Reply #27 posted 05/16/22 3:20pm

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TrivialPursuit said:



tomds said:


He did a great job with "song of the heart" for happy feet. He is a genius to mix movie scenes into his song. I liked that with Batman as well. So he can really create a song to fit into a movie.


That wasn't my question, though. He's done a lot of songs for movies. My question was has he ever been asked to do a Bond theme, and maybe is there an existing song that could viably work as a 007 theme song.

He's not the first person to lend a song to a movie, or have some cross pollenation in their promotion of the song.


Well, I think Beautiful Strange could have been a great Bond-ballad. And Boom! Could fit also. I can see the gunshots and explosions in the opening credits everytime he sings the word Boom!
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Reply #28 posted 05/16/22 3:24pm

LoveGalore

I wanna think something like Solo could work for a Bond theme. Perhaps with just a touch more pop sensibility to it?

That, Strays of the World, Planet Earth, Gold, Last December, they all have the epic and cinematic quality to them I think. Could they be refashioned into a Bond theme? Maybe.

I keep thinking back to TP's mention of Goldeneye because that, and The World Is Not Enough, exemplify the Bond themes to me. Something major, epic, distinctly in theme, a very specific cocktail of international spy movie magic.

Very different to the garbage Madonna turned out, which if past is precedent, could allow for, idk, Wedding Feast or Jughead to be a Bond theme.
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Reply #29 posted 05/16/22 3:49pm

Milty2

Bond songs are normally written specifically for the film after the synopsis/narrative of the film is shared with the songwriter so that the newly written piece actually fits the film.

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