The 2009 and 2013 concerts are professionally filmed and available when you search for them. I am curious if the 2007 concert is also professionally filmed? Does someone know this? If so, it will probably be released in the near future. It could be an idea for the estate to release these concerts as a box set.

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lion88 said:

LoveGalore said:

lion88 said:

The 2009 and 2013 concerts are professionally filmed and available when you search for them. I am curious if the 2007 concert is also professionally filmed? Does someone know this? If so, it will probably be released in the near future. It could be an idea for the estate to release these concerts as a box set.

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What would give you the impression it would be released soon?

I really do not know neither did I intend to give the impression in the title or the message itself it would be released soon. I would like it though. My question in the post is if someone knows if this 2007 concert is filmed professionally. And if so it would indeed be a great idea for the estate to release, which I can see happening because of the great content.

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lion88 said:

The 2009 and 2013 concerts are professionally filmed and available when you search for them. I am curious if the 2007 concert is also professionally filmed? Does someone know this? If so, it will probably be released in the near future. It could be an idea for the estate to release these concerts as a box set.

You're absolutely lying. Your conjecture with "will probably be released" is an absolute falsehood. It's illusory, at best, and an wholly uneducated guess.

Prince filmed everything. And the Montreux people probably filmed things, too for their own posterity, etc.

There are a lot of things that could be done. It doesn't mean they will be.

lion88 said:

LoveGalore said:

lion88 said: What would give you the impression it would be released soon?

I really do not know neither did I intend to give the impression in the title or the message itself it would be released soon.

But you said if it was filmed, "it will probably be released in the near future." That means you had the impression it would be released simply because it was filmed. As if there's no other reason to film something other than to release it.

lion88 said:

Only the audio for 2007 was recorded (multitracks/stereo, main show + aftershow). There was no video camera.

TrivialPursuit said:

lion88 said:

The 2009 and 2013 concerts are professionally filmed and available when you search for them. I am curious if the 2007 concert is also professionally filmed? Does someone know this? If so, it will probably be released in the near future. It could be an idea for the estate to release these concerts as a box set.

You're absolutely lying. Your conjecture with "will probably be released" is an absolute falsehood. It's illusory, at best, and an wholly uneducated guess.

Prince filmed everything. And the Montreux people probably filmed things, too for their own posterity, etc.

There are a lot of things that could be done. It doesn't mean they will be.

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when did this place become so infested with assholes?

When I read the original post my first thought was that this may be someone that English was not their first language. Can we not give people the benefit of doubt before we start trash talking?

Folks, I think we can be a lot more hospitable around here.

savagedreams said:

TrivialPursuit said:

You're absolutely lying. Your conjecture with "will probably be released" is an absolute falsehood. It's illusory, at best, and an wholly uneducated guess.

Prince filmed everything. And the Montreux people probably filmed things, too for their own posterity, etc.

There are a lot of things that could be done. It doesn't mean they will be.

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when did this place become so infested with assholes?

Ask the OP. Me saying something is a lie doesn't make me an asshole. Supporting a lie is an asshole move.

savagedreams said:

TrivialPursuit said:

olb99 said:

Only the audio for 2007 was recorded (multitracks/stereo, main show + aftershow). There was no video camera.

This boot is an awesome show.

LoveGalore said:

TrivialPursuit said:

Ask the OP. Me saying something is a lie doesn't make me an asshole. Supporting a lie is an asshole move.

Wait til they meet Bort and Udo, lmao

rap said:

LoveGalore said:

TrivialPursuit said: Wait til they meet Bort and Udo, lmao

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I read the OP as saying if a video exists, then it will probably get released so rather than an unofficial or uncontrolled release, the Estate could release this as part of an official box set.

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"Probably" makes it conjecture, not a lie and the key point to me was the expression of a hope for a box set rather than a boot.

TrivialPursuit said:

savagedreams said:

TrivialPursuit said:

You're absolutely lying. Your conjecture with "will probably be released" is an absolute falsehood. It's illusory, at best, and an wholly uneducated guess.

Prince filmed everything. And the Montreux people probably filmed things, too for their own posterity, etc.

There are a lot of things that could be done. It doesn't mean they will be.

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when did this place become so infested with assholes?

Better assholes than idiots. I'd say the idiot to asshole ratio is still leaning far to the idiot side.

You're assuming the estate owns the rights to these shows, when it's just as likely the Montreux Jazz Festival owns the rights. As others have said, I wouldn't hold your breath. Luckily, excellent boots on DVD and even bluray are readily available. Edit: At least for 09 and 13.

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jasopig said:

You're assuming the estate owns the rights to these shows, when it's just as likely the Montreux Jazz Festival owns the rights. As others have said, I wouldn't hold your breath. Luckily, excellent boots on DVD and even bluray are readily available. Edit: At least for 09 and 13.

LOL you think someone owns a Prince performance and him playing his own music?! OKAY THEN.

TrivialPursuit said:

jasopig said:

You're assuming the estate owns the rights to these shows, when it's just as likely the Montreux Jazz Festival owns the rights. As others have said, I wouldn't hold your breath. Luckily, excellent boots on DVD and even bluray are readily available. Edit: At least for 09 and 13.

LOL you think someone owns a Prince performance and him playing his own music?! OKAY THEN.

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That is exactly what does occur - there are multiple layers of "ownership" and "rights" - the music, lyrics, the song as whole, specific stems or riffs, each indivdual recording, each individual performance, rights to play, replay, allow others to play, distribute, differences if a perfomance is broadcasted, streamed or you had to be there etc, etc, etc. It can be very complex.

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But the simple fact is the Estate will not own 100% exclusive rights to every performance by Prince just because he is playing his own music. It is quite likely that the festival has controls and rights over the performance.

IanRG said:

TrivialPursuit said:

LOL you think someone owns a Prince performance and him playing his own music?! OKAY THEN.

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That is exactly what does occur - there are multiple layers of "ownership" and "rights" - the music, lyrics, the song as whole, specific stems or riffs, each indivdual recording, each individual performance, rights to play, replay, allow others to play, distribute, differences if a perfomance is broadcasted, streamed or you had to be there etc, etc, etc. It can be very complex.

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But the simple fact is the Estate will not own 100% exclusive rights to every performance by Prince just because he is playing his own music. It is quite likely that the festival has controls and rights over the performance.

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Back then, when the idea of releasing a boxset of the Montreux performances was first discussed, the problem was not rights, but the amount of money Prince was asking...

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Currently, nothing would prevent such a release. But we all know the Estate doesn't release much at all. That's the problem, not rights, again.

olb99 said:

IanRG said:

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That is exactly what does occur - there are multiple layers of "ownership" and "rights" - the music, lyrics, the song as whole, specific stems or riffs, each indivdual recording, each individual performance, rights to play, replay, allow others to play, distribute, differences if a perfomance is broadcasted, streamed or you had to be there etc, etc, etc. It can be very complex.

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But the simple fact is the Estate will not own 100% exclusive rights to every performance by Prince just because he is playing his own music. It is quite likely that the festival has controls and rights over the performance.

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Back then, when the idea of releasing a boxset of the Montreux performances was first discussed, the problem was not rights, but the amount of money Prince was asking...

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Currently, nothing would prevent such a release. But we all know the Estate doesn't release much at all. That's the problem, not rights, again.

This is exactly the same as his North Sea Jazz shows. Prince was asking a insane amount that's why the festival recordings can never be broadcasted like they do with alomst all there other performances from all the years but the Estate is free to release it however they see fit.

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olb99 said:

Back then, when the idea of releasing a boxset of the Montreux performances was first discussed, the problem was not rights, but the amount of money Prince was asking...

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Currently, nothing would prevent such a release. But we all know the Estate doesn't release much at all. That's the problem, not rights, again.

Agreed. And what folks don't really think about is that there is a larger market than just the fan base. It has to be commercial enough to appeal to a larger audience. The average top 40 listener doesn't give a shit about 57 disks of material from the Graffiti Bridge era. They don't much care for two or three disks.

A box set of Montreux performances - well, it's dandy. It's exactly what a big Prince fan would want. Is it what John Q. Public wants? Mostly likely not. So the estate has to figure in:

How viable of a general musical consumer product is this?

Who will buy it?
Do we have the goods to put together a product worthy of the pricetag?

How can we market it to make it financially viable of production (which costs an huge amount of money to begin with, whether in labor, manpower, manufacturing, etc etc)?

Prince wanted to be paid and the estate is no different. Folks can bark about commercialism, or art and money don't mix, but the estate isn't going to survive on Snickers bars and handshake agreements. They're also not going to survive on the fanbase of Prince.org or whatever to keep them afloat. While we may enjoy hearing "Vagina" or "Bold Generation," the public is just happy to get a remastered 1999 with some extras, and feel like they got a deal.

Prince fans are spoiled, and they need to check themselves. They've complained about SOTT being the only release last year. Well fuck - it's HUGE. Let the market - and your ear holes - absorb it, settle with it. THen move on from there. SOTT was a gigantic project and release. I didn't expect one other thing that year to be released because frankly that was an amazing thing to compile and put out.

I'm kinda glad business people are running the estate and not Prince fans. It'd be a shit show of excess, debit, and God knows what.

olb99 said:

Currently, nothing would prevent such a release. But we all know the Estate doesn't release much at all. That's the problem, not rights, again.

And maybe they are to stingy to pay for Stratus (or any other cover they need to pay for to release as a 'Prince' product) on a montreux release.

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olb99 said:

IanRG said:

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That is exactly what does occur - there are multiple layers of "ownership" and "rights" - the music, lyrics, the song as whole, specific stems or riffs, each indivdual recording, each individual performance, rights to play, replay, allow others to play, distribute, differences if a perfomance is broadcasted, streamed or you had to be there etc, etc, etc. It can be very complex.

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But the simple fact is the Estate will not own 100% exclusive rights to every performance by Prince just because he is playing his own music. It is quite likely that the festival has controls and rights over the performance.

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Back then, when the idea of releasing a boxset of the Montreux performances was first discussed, the problem was not rights, but the amount of money Prince was asking...

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Currently, nothing would prevent such a release. But we all know the Estate doesn't release much at all. That's the problem, not rights, again.

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This is confusing wishes for an amount of money with ownership/rights and jumping to conclusions on that faulty basis.

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That it is believed that Prince wanted too much money for his part of the rights to the Montreux performances to allow them to be released does NOT mean that Prince had 100% exclusive rights to it - It is this erroneous claim by TrivialPursuit that I was answering.

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The illogical leap you are making from this is that there is nothing that would prevent this release today. There are still the exact same impediments that there always was - the complexity of the rights structures, how much each right holder wants for them and whether each holder wants this released at this time.

JorisE73 said:

olb99 said:

Currently, nothing would prevent such a release. But we all know the Estate doesn't release much at all. That's the problem, not rights, again.

And maybe they are to stingy to pay for Stratus (or any other cover they need to pay for to release as a 'Prince' product) on a montreux release.

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Exactly - it is the complexity of the different and layered rights structures. This is both in terms of how much each holder wants for it and whether each holder agrees to it being released - the rights to release covers performed can be blocked because each of the other holders (these will be layered as well) wants more than the Estate is prepared to pay for this. This may be because one side is being too stingy or the other side is too gready OR that various rightsholders do not want this performance released for a variety of commerical and personal reasons.

IanRG said:

olb99 said:

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Back then, when the idea of releasing a boxset of the Montreux performances was first discussed, the problem was not rights, but the amount of money Prince was asking...

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Currently, nothing would prevent such a release. But we all know the Estate doesn't release much at all. That's the problem, not rights, again.

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This is confusing wishes for an amount of money with ownership/rights and jumping to conclusions on that faulty basis.

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That it is believed that Prince wanted too much money for his part of the rights to the Montreux performances to allow them to be released does NOT mean that Prince had 100% exclusive rights to it - It is this erroneous claim by TrivialPursuit that I was answering.

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The illogical leap you are making from this is that there is nothing that would prevent this release today. There are still the exact same impediments that there always was - the complexity of the rights structures, how much each right holder wants for them and whether each holder wants this released at this time.

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I'm not saying rights are simple. I'm just saying that what prevented the release while Prince was alive was the unreasonable amount of money he wanted to receive for that release. People were willing to settle the rights, believe me. And if they could do it then, they could do it now. There are hundreds of releases of performances at the Montreux Jazz Festival. The problem is not rights.

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olb99 said:

IanRG said:

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This is confusing wishes for an amount of money with ownership/rights and jumping to conclusions on that faulty basis.

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That it is believed that Prince wanted too much money for his part of the rights to the Montreux performances to allow them to be released does NOT mean that Prince had 100% exclusive rights to it - It is this erroneous claim by TrivialPursuit that I was answering.

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The illogical leap you are making from this is that there is nothing that would prevent this release today. There are still the exact same impediments that there always was - the complexity of the rights structures, how much each right holder wants for them and whether each holder wants this released at this time.

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I'm not saying rights are simple. I'm just saying that what prevented the release while Prince was alive was the unreasonable amount of money he wanted to receive for that release. People were willing to settle the rights, believe me. And if they could do it then, they could do it now. There are hundreds of releases of performances at the Montreux Jazz Festival. The problem is not rights.

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Every release of every Montreux Jazz Festival performance had to resolve multiple rights issues. Every failed release of every attempted Montreux Jazz Festival performance failed to resolve issues in regard to the mix of rights, payments and whether each rights holder wanted this to be released at that point.

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What do you think the payment requested by Prince was for other than the rights for this to be released? Prince could not release it without paying the festival promoter for their rights and the festival promoter could not release it without paying Prince for his rights. The problem is always rights - that is what the payment is for. It is not just a donation in exchange for nothing.

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Why would I believe you when you cannot see that payment for rights and rights are inexorably tied together? It was wrong for anyone to say Prince exclusively owns the rights to his performances at Montreaux and wrong to say payments for rights to release is not a rights issue.

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The '09 shows are some of my all time favorite from a Prince guitar-improv perspective. The tone he got out of that strat and the ideas he was throwing out there were just top notch