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Prince Estate Denies Use of 'Nothing Compares 2 U' in O'Connor documentary

The estate of world-renowned singer Prince denied the use of 'Nothing Compares 2 U' in a recently debuted documentary about the life and career of Sinéad O'Connor.

Originally written by Prince for his side project The Family, the song was released in 1985 but shot to popularity after O'Connor released her own version of the song for her second studio album I Do Not Want What I Haven't Got in 1989.

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Not surprised though.

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Reply #1 posted 01/25/22 5:11pm

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Good for them, she has bad mouthed Prince for ages.

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Reply #2 posted 01/25/22 5:30pm

LoveGalore

Yeah fuck her.
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Reply #3 posted 01/25/22 6:14pm

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I think this was the proper move. I don't believe any of the crap she said. Did not fit.

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Reply #4 posted 01/25/22 6:48pm

laytonian

That b/witch did not deserve that song. She's told so many versions of her claimed "assault" that who would believe her?

I am proud of the estate for denying the usage. She would be nothing without that song and that documentary will be nothing without it, either.

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Reply #5 posted 01/25/22 7:19pm

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Thats a very Prince move lol

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Reply #6 posted 01/25/22 11:57pm

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Good.
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Reply #7 posted 01/26/22 1:55am

antonb

About bloody time! A guy I know who used to run a prince magazine back in the day recons that would have not happened! Prince would have not been on his own with her for a start!
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Reply #8 posted 01/26/22 1:56am

antonb

About bloody time! A guy I know who used to run a prince magazine back in the day recons that would have not happened! Prince would have not been on his own with her for a start!
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Reply #9 posted 01/26/22 1:57am

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Sorry double post
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Reply #10 posted 01/26/22 2:01am

Vannormal

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Yeah fuck her.

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The poor woman very recently lost her son...

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I don't care that much for her music, or her person,

but how on earth can you all be so openly rude about her ?

Because she dissed Prince ?

Is that it ? Is that what Prince.org has become ?

How disparaging and banal.

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Reply #11 posted 01/26/22 3:50am

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as I said before: she's made some VERY good music after she had a hit with NC2U so she was never a one hit wonder who'se only claim to fame or talent is covering a prince song.

yes, she said lots of fucked up stuff about prince. still, we were not there so what do we know? she's said some intersting stuff -notably in a song on one of her last albums- that also came to light about him in veiled references from protege acts after 2016.

however, beside being a very credible and accomplished artist in her own right, she also suffers from mental issues which she has been vocal and public about and her day to day struggles with her family, both past and present are nothing if not cause for pause and a bit of compassion.

I haven't read the article linked in the op, but what exactly did the estate deny the use of, a clip of the prince version or the The Family version that they want to use as reference in the documentary?

if so, it's not a huge loss for the documentary as long as they can still use sinead's cover version of the song, which I guess won't be a problem?

"if U're lookin' 4 dirt look in Ur own back yard / plant some peace flowers in Ur warzone so I can fire my bodyguards."
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Reply #12 posted 01/26/22 3:58am

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ok, decided to read the article smile


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"The Prince estate denied use of Sinéad's recording of 'Nothing Compares 2 U' in this film."

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so that is pretty interesting. that means you can prevent someone from using their own version
of a song. I didn't know that was even possible. how exactly does that work?

I guess nothing changes in her version being on her album and streaming etc, for eternity. the
'problem' lies in 'other uses' of that recording beyond it being on her albums/compilations etc?

does that mean that they could potentially block her from letting some company use her version
of it in a commercial etc as well and can that extend to her performing the song live?

and if she re-recorded her cover version, making it a new version that is not restricted by any of
the old contractual stipulations? or could the estate now block her from covering it anew? lol

another interesting thing here is that obviously the estate has also got some 'personal' reasons
that sway whatever is released/used instead of purely commercial reasons as some people on
this site have suggested.


"if U're lookin' 4 dirt look in Ur own back yard / plant some peace flowers in Ur warzone so I can fire my bodyguards."
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Reply #13 posted 01/26/22 4:56am

Rimshottbob

Yeah, the vitriol on this thread is a perfect example of the trashcan that prince.org is these days.

This place is a shithole these days.

God forbid anyone should say anything bad about our beloved Prince, right?

Please, people, grow up. I'm not a fan of O'Connor's particularly, but her own struggles with mental health and the recent suicide of her son far outweigh any petty nonsense bullshit you have about protecting your holy beloved purple idol.

I'm a big Prince fan, I don't particularly care for or about Sinead O'Connor, and I do not care AT ALL what Sinead O'Connor has to say about Prince. Neither should you.

You badmouthing her and wishing her ill should be ashamed of yourselves. Seriously.

Grow up. Fucking prince.org. mad

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Reply #14 posted 01/26/22 6:03am

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It’s undoubtedly sad when ANYONE losses a child. However, how one conducts themselves has ramifications. Be a prick? You’ll get pricked back, one way or another. I’m not aware of past comments she has made about Prince, and therefore I’m ignorant to this situation. If O’Connor was talking smack, why the hell would you grease her palms? This is basic business. Too many people get a pass for shit behavior. Good move Estate.
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Reply #15 posted 01/26/22 6:38am

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LILpoundCAKE said:

ok, decided to read the article smile


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"The Prince estate denied use of Sinéad's recording of 'Nothing Compares 2 U' in this film."


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so that is pretty interesting. that means you can prevent someone from using their own version
of a song. I didn't know that was even possible. how exactly does that work?

I guess nothing changes in her version being on her album and streaming etc, for eternity. the
'problem' lies in 'other uses' of that recording beyond it being on her albums/compilations etc?

does that mean that they could potentially block her from letting some company use her version
of it in a commercial etc as well and can that extend to her performing the song live?

and if she re-recorded her cover version, making it a new version that is not restricted by any of
the old contractual stipulations? or could the estate now block her from covering it anew? lol

another interesting thing here is that obviously the estate has also got some 'personal' reasons
that sway whatever is released/used instead of purely commercial reasons as some people on
this site have suggested.




The version of the song doesn't matter. If someone sang NC2U in a karaoke bar in a movie, they'd need permission from the writer of the song/the estate.

And the estate probably thought that the documentary could hurt the Prince brand, tho the publicity around their denial might do the same.
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Reply #16 posted 01/26/22 7:19am

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PJMcGee said:

LILpoundCAKE said:

ok, decided to read the article smile


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"The Prince estate denied use of Sinéad's recording of 'Nothing Compares 2 U' in this film."

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so that is pretty interesting. that means you can prevent someone from using their own version
of a song. I didn't know that was even possible. how exactly does that work?

I guess nothing changes in her version being on her album and streaming etc, for eternity. the
'problem' lies in 'other uses' of that recording beyond it being on her albums/compilations etc?

does that mean that they could potentially block her from letting some company use her version
of it in a commercial etc as well and can that extend to her performing the song live?

and if she re-recorded her cover version, making it a new version that is not restricted by any of
the old contractual stipulations? or could the estate now block her from covering it anew? lol

another interesting thing here is that obviously the estate has also got some 'personal' reasons
that sway whatever is released/used instead of purely commercial reasons as some people on
this site have suggested.


The version of the song doesn't matter. If someone sang NC2U in a karaoke bar in a movie, they'd need permission from the writer of the song/the estate. And the estate probably thought that the documentary could hurt the Prince brand, tho the publicity around their denial might do the same.

Yeah, IDK exactly cos I'm no lawyer, but I would assume that while you need no permission to cover a song on stage or on a record, you need both the permission of the masters' owners and the publishing owners to use a recording in a film/TV show.

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Reply #17 posted 01/26/22 7:21am

bozojones

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It’s undoubtedly sad when ANYONE losses a child. However, how one conducts themselves has ramifications. Be a prick? You’ll get pricked back, one way or another. I’m not aware of past comments she has made about Prince, and therefore I’m ignorant to this situation. If O’Connor was talking smack, why the hell would you grease her palms? This is basic business. Too many people get a pass for shit behavior. Good move Estate.


You're really glossing over just how much of a dick Prince was while alive. He gets a pass for his shit behavior on these forums all the time.
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Reply #18 posted 01/26/22 7:26am

bozojones

Rimshottbob said:

Yeah, the vitriol on this thread is a perfect example of the trashcan that prince.org is these days.



This place is a shithole these days.



God forbid anyone should say anything bad about our beloved Prince, right?



Please, people, grow up. I'm not a fan of O'Connor's particularly, but her own struggles with mental health and the recent suicide of her son far outweigh any petty nonsense bullshit you have about protecting your holy beloved purple idol.



I'm a big Prince fan, I don't particularly care for or about Sinead O'Connor, and I do not care AT ALL what Sinead O'Connor has to say about Prince. Neither should you.



You badmouthing her and wishing her ill should be ashamed of yourselves. Seriously.



Grow up. Fucking prince.org. mad


This is the place where people give more shit to a woman with severe mental illness than they do to their beloved Prince for basically grooming teen girls or being a homophobe to his ex bandmates. Not exactly a shining beacon within the Prince fan community
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Reply #19 posted 01/26/22 9:28am

cantstop

That’s right, this is a Prince “fan” site. Mental illness is rampant. No doubt. If I was witness to said abuse, I might have a different opinion. That’s all hearsay. I was witness to countless Prince shows at Paisley and other venues. Love the music. That’s why I’m on a Prince “fanatic” forum. Until I feel like talking trash about P’s personal life, which I have no clue of what that entailed, I’ll keep visiting fan sites. I’m a fan of the musicianship. If you knew him personally, and have negative stories to share, call CNN or whatever.
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Reply #20 posted 01/26/22 10:52am

Rimshottbob

There's some missing the point going on here.

Claiming that Prince was 'grooming' young women/proteges is reaching. Never heard any claims to that effect. In fact, I don't remember hearing of anyone badmouthing Prince after he died... except for Sinead O'Connor.

Could he be an ass sometimes while alive? Sure, can't we all.... So what. His benevolence seems to have far outweighed his assholery.... all that 'don't be gay' stuff to Wendy & Lisa. I'm betting they were able to shoulder that off pretty easily. Prince was into religion at the time. All religion is total bullshit top to bottom, and will do that to people. It brings out the worst in them when it should bring out the best.

Anyway....

I don't believe a single word Sinead O'Connor has to say about Prince. I think it's all absolute untruths. But I can hold that viewpoint and still not need to stoop to insulting her or calling her names, or making light of the struggles she's had throughout her life.

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Reply #21 posted 01/26/22 11:20am

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Rimshottbob said:

There's some missing the point going on here.



Claiming that Prince was 'grooming' young women/proteges is reaching. Never heard any claims to that effect. In fact, I don't remember hearing of anyone badmouthing Prince after he died... except for Sinead O'Connor.



Could he be an ass sometimes while alive? Sure, can't we all.... So what. His benevolence seems to have far outweighed his assholery.... all that 'don't be gay' stuff to Wendy & Lisa. I'm betting they were able to shoulder that off pretty easily. Prince was into religion at the time. All religion is total bullshit top to bottom, and will do that to people. It brings out the worst in them when it should bring out the best.



Anyway....



I don't believe a single word Sinead O'Connor has to say about Prince. I think it's all absolute untruths. But I can hold that viewpoint and still not need to stoop to insulting her or calling her names, or making light of the struggles she's had throughout her life.


Get ready for it, it's all over the place. It dies down then pops up somewhere else, it's gathering legs as fewer and fewer people aren't spending large amounts of time arguing with these folks on these platforms.

As far as the song, I mean if she has that serious of a discography than the elimination of a single song really isnt that big of a deal.
Time keeps on slipping into the future...


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Reply #22 posted 01/26/22 11:35am

antonb

If it really happened how she said surely she wouldn’t continue to sing the song I have sympathy for her losing her son like anybody would, we have all lost family members and loved ones. It still doesn’t excuse all your actions. It’s about respect isn’t it. Maybe she should have shown a bit more respect to others
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Reply #23 posted 01/26/22 11:53am

bozojones

Rimshottbob said:

There's some missing the point going on here.

Claiming that Prince was 'grooming' young women/proteges is reaching. Never heard any claims to that effect. In fact, I don't remember hearing of anyone badmouthing Prince after he died... except for Sinead O'Connor.

Prince started a sexual relationship with at least two women (Anna Fantastic and Mayte) as soon as they turned 18, both of whom he was 10+ years older than at the time, and both of whom he knew and talked to when they were still minors. Even if he never took things in a sexual direction until they were of legal age, that pre-established connection makes it clear what his intentions were and it's ridiculously creepy behavior. It says a lot about Prince that he could have had any mature women within his age range, and he chose to chase after impressionable teenage girls on the cusp of legal adulthood because of the control he could have over them.

straight from wikipedia: "In 1990, 16-year-old Garcia met Prince backstage in Barcelona after he saw a tape of her dancing. After she graduated high school in Germany at the age of 17, Prince became her legal guardian".

What part of that doesn't sound like grooming? The fact that Mayte and Anna seem to have mostly positive things to say about their experiences doesn't negate that it was unacceptably creepy behavior on Prince's part.

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Reply #24 posted 01/26/22 12:29pm

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Vannormal said:

LoveGalore said:

Yeah fuck her.

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The poor woman very recently lost her son...

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I don't care that much for her music, or her person,

but how on earth can you all be so openly rude about her ?

Because she dissed Prince ?

Is that it ? Is that what Prince.org has become ?

How disparaging and banal.

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Agreed 100%.

RIP Prince: thank U 4 a funky Time...
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Reply #25 posted 01/26/22 3:21pm

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bozojones said:

Rimshottbob said:

There's some missing the point going on here.

Claiming that Prince was 'grooming' young women/proteges is reaching. Never heard any claims to that effect. In fact, I don't remember hearing of anyone badmouthing Prince after he died... except for Sinead O'Connor.

Prince started a sexual relationship with at least two women (Anna Fantastic and Mayte) as soon as they turned 18, both of whom he was 10+ years older than at the time, and both of whom he knew and talked to when they were still minors. Even if he never took things in a sexual direction until they were of legal age, that pre-established connection makes it clear what his intentions were and it's ridiculously creepy behavior. It says a lot about Prince that he could have had any mature women within his age range, and he chose to chase after impressionable teenage girls on the cusp of legal adulthood because of the control he could have over them.

straight from wikipedia: "In 1990, 16-year-old Garcia met Prince backstage in Barcelona after he saw a tape of her dancing. After she graduated high school in Germany at the age of 17, Prince became her legal guardian".

What part of that doesn't sound like grooming? The fact that Mayte and Anna seem to have mostly positive things to say about their experiences doesn't negate that it was unacceptably creepy behavior on Prince's part.

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Anna's wiki page tries to make it sound like she was 18 when anything happened, like how he wrote "Pink Cashmere" for her "18th birthday", even though it was when she was 14. Same with "Vicki Waiting", which would have been when she was 15. She was born in December 1973.

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Reply #26 posted 01/26/22 3:38pm

bozojones

billymeade said:

bozojones said:

Prince started a sexual relationship with at least two women (Anna Fantastic and Mayte) as soon as they turned 18, both of whom he was 10+ years older than at the time, and both of whom he knew and talked to when they were still minors. Even if he never took things in a sexual direction until they were of legal age, that pre-established connection makes it clear what his intentions were and it's ridiculously creepy behavior. It says a lot about Prince that he could have had any mature women within his age range, and he chose to chase after impressionable teenage girls on the cusp of legal adulthood because of the control he could have over them.

straight from wikipedia: "In 1990, 16-year-old Garcia met Prince backstage in Barcelona after he saw a tape of her dancing. After she graduated high school in Germany at the age of 17, Prince became her legal guardian".

What part of that doesn't sound like grooming? The fact that Mayte and Anna seem to have mostly positive things to say about their experiences doesn't negate that it was unacceptably creepy behavior on Prince's part.

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Anna's wiki page tries to make it sound like she was 18 when anything happened, like how he wrote "Pink Cashmere" for her "18th birthday", even though it was when she was 14. Same with "Vicki Waiting", which would have been when she was 15. She was born in December 1973.

Ugh, I sincerely hope that birth date on her page is a mistake, because if not... feeling ill

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Reply #27 posted 01/26/22 5:12pm

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clapping it's clapping not clapping her clapping song
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Reply #28 posted 01/26/22 6:32pm

laytonian

antonb said:

About bloody time! A guy I know who used to run a prince magazine back in the day recons that would have not happened! Prince would have not been on his own with her for a start!


Apparently, there WAS a witness. The truth is that she attacked him first and he struck back (the physical argument). None of her other crap is true except in her poor, sad, mentally-ill head. He didn't live in Malibu, he didn't put a brick in a pillowcase, he didn't injure her or chase her down in his car. His eyes didn't turn into burning pits (or whatever she said).
He was a bad driver but still, if he was chasing her in a car, he'd have run her over.

IF she could tell a cohesive version and quit embroidering it over a period of years, no one would have denied her use of the song. But she's had him as a target for years.


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Welcome to "the org", laytonian… come bathe with me.
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Reply #29 posted 01/26/22 11:17pm

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It's entirely reasonable that the estate would do this, regardless of the veracity of what she's said.

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