LoveGalore said:

My point from the start was that every tracks beside Lemon Crush were referenced in the movie. Or the movie was referenced in the soundtrack.

So it's not really an afterthought : the movie was conceived with Prince tracks, amd Prince soundtrack was written/completed accordingly to the movie.
That was the same method for Purple Rain : some songs were written before the movie in mind, some songs were written during the movie, some songs were written after the movie was shot.

I never saw a soundtrack so in point with a movie than Batman. It goes deep into the characters, while respecting the movie's plotplot, amd also an hidden way for exploring more Prince'themes with the multiple personalities, the continual fight between good, bad, love, sex, etc. It's a perfect follow-up to Lovesexy.

This is a real serious job.


It's not that obvious for Arms Of Orion, but it's obviously a dreamy dialogue between Bruce Wayne amd Vicky Vale, in the head of one of the characters.

For Lemon Crush, it's a bit far-fetched, and it's hard to explain what the Lemon is referencing too.
The only lemon thing in the movie is the batsymbol.

It would have been easier to pick Dance With The Devil instead.
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JorisE73 said:

Partyman is originally from '82 or '83 or something (i'd love to hear the differences between that version and the Batman version) and 200 Balloons was a reworked song from '87 or so.

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I didn't know that (and it's not mentioned on PrinceVault)! Does that mean the original version is circulating among elite traders?

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RODSERLING said:

Dude, comparing Purple Rain (a project that went through many iterations over 3 years where Prince specifically wrote music for the project from day 1) to Batman where nearly all of the music was from the vault is... Mind numbingly ignorant.

The songs were from the Rave sessions. For Rave. What part of that doesn't make sense to you? Lemon Crush was Anna's favorite drink. Vicki Waiting is literally Anna Waiting with a rerecorded female subject line. You know precisely what I'm saying because NO SHIT. Lemon Crush is irrelevant to the movie, as is anything else, and they're afterthoughts because THE THOUGHT TO TIE THEM IN TO THE MOVIE came well after their recording. Who gives a shit what it says in the liner notes - guess what, Batman isn't real, kids. He could put Raspberry Beret on that soundtrack and list it as being lead vocals by Clayface and you turds would be deep in thought over who Clayface took to the barn to fuck.

This is why Bart hates everyone here.

olb99 said:

JorisE73 said:

Partyman is originally from '82 or '83 or something (i'd love to hear the differences between that version and the Batman version) and 200 Balloons was a reworked song from '87 or so.

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I didn't know that (and it's not mentioned on PrinceVault)! Does that mean the original version is circulating among elite traders?

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Well Princevault is "Princevault" they are still missing a lot of verified info and even refuse to update items so I don't know how trustworthy Princevault still is, maybe they are taking the Duane Tudahl stance of only sharing 'Estate approved' info.
Some years ago it was mentioned on a Lovesexy SDE wishlist topic (here?) that the original version of 200 Balloons before it was called '200 ballons' that it was one of the songs that could eventually end up on a Lovesexy SDE or preferably (according to the Exorcist avatar person who mentioned and dropped this info) on a Rave un2 the Joy Fantastic '89 release.

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LoveGalore said:

The songs were from the Rave sessions. For Rave. What part of that doesn't make sense to you? Lemon Crush is irrelevant to the movie, as is anything else

Batman isn't real, kids.

This is why Bart hates everyone here.

Agreed, and there is a lot of Rave crossover stuff throughout Batman. We can hear "Rave..." chants throughout "Batdance."

The thing with these songs, while some were made before Batman showed up on Prince's proverbial desk, is that they do fit with the mood of the movie and the soundtrack in general.

BVH hates himself most.

Wait... Batman isn't real? WTF!

And I agree - "Lemon Crush" is irrelevant to anything ever.

LoveGalore said:

That's the movie I want to see.

TrivialPursuit said:

When did parts of Rave get to be heard on Batman's Batdance lol?
Mandela effect maybe?

TrivialPursuit said:

The Arms of Orion is one of my favorites off the album too. Also never understood the hate. I always loved Prince and Sheena Easton's voices together.

I wish Prince would have put Dance With The Devil on the album. It has this awesome moodiness to it and just screams Batman or is that Joker. Which ever it is it would have fit the movie soundtrack perfectly. In fact I burned my own cd copy with it on it.

Forget Dance With the Devil. They should've put Bloody Mouth on there so whats-his-nuts could rest easier.

automatic said:

"The Arms of Orion" is one of my favorites off the album too. Also never understood the hate. I always loved Prince and Sheena Easton's voices together. I wish Prince would have put "Dance With The Devil" on the album. It has this awesome moodiness to it and just screams Batman or is that Joker. Which ever it is it would have fit the movie soundtrack perfectly. In fact I burned my own cd copy with it on it.

Feels like it could've been in there somewhere. All they did was tout was "dark" the movie was going to be, and that it wasn't a slapstick gag like the TV show. Plus, it's clearly a line that Joker said, so...why ain't it playing?

RODSERLING said:

TrivialPursuit said:

Agreed, and there is a lot of Rave crossover stuff throughout Batman. We can hear "Rave..." chants throughout "Batdance."

When did parts of Rave get to be heard on Batman's Batdance lol? Mandela effect maybe?

Maybe I'm thinking of the "power" and "soul" chants. It's definitely in the "Batmix" of the song.

Even Princevault notes:

Of Note, remixes of Batdance also contain samples from Rave Unto The Joy Fantastic (planned for the Batman album and replaced by Partyman, the song was only released in 1999).

TrivialPursuit said:

The power and soul chants are in Rave?

No samples from Rave are in the Batman album.
They were in the Batmixes. That's really different than to say it made the cut on the album.

automatic said:

Interesting : who is actually singing DWTD?
Was it Bruce Wayne?
Batman?
Joker?
Gemini?
Prince?
Holly exciting.

The Arms of Orion :

I never liked the song personally. But it is well crafted, good melody, beautiful voices. Prince never did that kind of romantic song before. I prefer that to the awful Insatiable ( that was just a rehash of Scandalous, by the way).

A very well known french singer, Alain Souchon plagiarized the song, but I can't remember in what song.
It's just that it was a bad choice as a single, and that it killed the album in the charts.
Maybe he thought he would achieve again the success of U Got The Look.
It lacked a music video too.
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I remember reading a little blurb about it in Rolling Stone magazine when the movie was still in production. It was something to the effect of "Prince just wrote an entire soundtrack to the upcoming Batman movie" and I was like "Whaaaat???"

Then the movie came out and all of that hoopla and I got the album (on cassette) and loved it from jump. I still do. It's so different from his other work (well obviously if it's thematic) and it actually feels like a transitional album. The combination of Lovesexy/Batman/Grafitti Bridge and into Diamonds and Pearls was all over the map but all four have themes. A good and interesting era in my opinion.

JorisE73 said:

Partyman is originally from '82 or '83 or something (i'd love to hear the differences between that version and the Batman version) and 200 Balloons was a reworked song from '87 or so.

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Some people appear to be not aware of that yet, can you please inform them?

TrivialPursuit said:

RODSERLING said:

TrivialPursuit said: When did parts of Rave get to be heard on Batman's Batdance lol? Mandela effect maybe?

Maybe I'm thinking of the "power" and "soul" chants. It's definitely in the "Batmix" of the song.

Even Princevault notes:

Of Note, remixes of Batdance also contain samples from Rave Unto The Joy Fantastic (planned for the Batman album and replaced by Partyman, the song was only released in 1999).

Rave is in 200 Balloons, too.

RODSERLING said:

LoveGalore said:

Lemon Crush wasn't written for the movie so, like the other songs not written for Batman but used for the soundtrack anyway, any connection is tenuous and an afterthought. Vicki Waiting being the other obvious one. As well as Scandalous and Electric Chair.

An afterthought of what? Scandalous can be heard twice in the movie. Even Elfman use it in his own soundtrack. Electric Chair is also heard on the movie, and fits well to the Jokers character. Vicky Waiting is obviously about Vicky Vale, Batman's loving lady. How else could you interpret these lyrics : " All is well in Gotham City The sound of terror is all you hear Sometimes a pistol takes the place of her body Sometimes her body's here But you see, when crime is your only love All that matter is the present, the here and now People, people, whatever floats this Joker's boat Is whatever this Joker will bang" "Talking of children still frightens me (ah, whoo) Is my character enough to be (yeah, whoo) One that deserves a copy made? (ever, ever) This I one day, hope to see Until then she's held at bay By my animal-like persistence" Do you really think this has nothing to do with Batman ? Even a cathedral is referenced in the 1st verse in the joke. The cathedral, just like in the movie. Amd who is the first person in the world who makes jokes, if not the Joker? But in Lemon Crush I don't see the reference at all. Is lemon because of the color of the bat-symbol? How silly would that be.

I think the note about Vicki Waiting is that its writing predates the film, originally Anna Waiting. Lyrics were reworked to fit the film, per princevault.com:

https://princevault.com/i...ki_Waiting

RODSERLING said:

LoveGalore said:

Lemon Crush wasn't written for the movie so, like the other songs not written for Batman but used for the soundtrack anyway, any connection is tenuous and an afterthought. Vicki Waiting being the other obvious one. As well as Scandalous and Electric Chair.

An afterthought of what? Scandalous can be heard twice in the movie. Even Elfman use it in his own soundtrack. Electric Chair is also heard on the movie, and fits well to the Jokers character. Vicky Waiting is obviously about Vicky Vale, Batman's loving lady. How else could you interpret these lyrics : " All is well in Gotham City The sound of terror is all you hear Sometimes a pistol takes the place of her body Sometimes her body's here But you see, when crime is your only love All that matter is the present, the here and now People, people, whatever floats this Joker's boat Is whatever this Joker will bang" "Talking of children still frightens me (ah, whoo) Is my character enough to be (yeah, whoo) One that deserves a copy made? (ever, ever) This I one day, hope to see Until then she's held at bay By my animal-like persistence" Do you really think this has nothing to do with Batman ? Even a cathedral is referenced in the 1st verse in the joke. The cathedral, just like in the movie. Amd who is the first person in the world who makes jokes, if not the Joker? But in Lemon Crush I don't see the reference at all. Is lemon because of the color of the bat-symbol? How silly would that be.

Ultimately, what does it matter when the songs were written/modified/recorded for Batman?

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Clearly the bulk of this was material was reconfigured/re-written to fit thematically. So what? The Batman sountrack fits the movie thematically better than most soundtracks fit movies. Many soundtracks are/were just a random collection of songs that kinda/sorta go with the film.

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Consider soundtracks in the 80's:

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Sometimes you had songs conceived, written, and recorded all with the intent of being on a specific soundtrack. Think, "Ghostbusters", "Danger Zone" from Top Gun.

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Yet, you also had just as many (if not more) songs that were written/developed separately from the film and then reworked later: "Maniac" from Flashdance was originally about a serial killer, not dancing. "You're The Best" from Karate Kid was originally written/recorded for a Rocky film.

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Bottom Line: Prince has a loooooong history of writing/recording/shelving songs only to bring them out years later, reworking/recording them to fit on a different album project later on. Again, I ask : So what? This is not only how a lot of soundtracks are/were developed and created, it's how Prince operated/created as well.

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skywalker said:

You are so right. Another one is Madonna's Live To Tell. It was supposed to be for the movie Fire With Fire but they turned it down and it went to At Close Range instead. Madonna suggesting it because of her hubby at the time Sean Penn being in it.

udo said:

JorisE73 said:

Partyman is originally from '82 or '83 or something (i'd love to hear the differences between that version and the Batman version) and 200 Balloons was a reworked song from '87 or so.

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Some people appear to be not aware of that yet, can you please inform them?

See my post above about Princevault.
And ask the guy who has these tracks and more info on them to send it to them (if he hasn't already years ago)

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PJMcGee said:

Plus, in the middle of several nasty beats, he tosses off an effortless guitar solo, the likes of which most so-called guitar gods can only dream about.

It's an effortless solo because it takes no effort to play. That doesn't mean it's not great, but no guitar god, so-called or otherwise, was freaked out by it. Great solo? Correct. Some high point in the hisroty of guitar? Very incorrect. What Prince did on When Doves Cry is the absolute height of his lead guitar work in terms of technical ability and unique ideas. Everything else is pretty great, but the idea that Prince will go down in history as some kind of game-changing lead guitar god like Jimi Hendrix is a totally incorrect. He was amazing and had great ideas. He did not change the face of how the guitar is played like the so-called guitar gods you are passively trying (and failing), to roast. You like Prince. That's awesome. I like Prince, too. That doesn't mean he was the best at every single thing he did. He wasn't. He was way better than good at a lot of things. He was a master of using the tools he had to make really great music. That's way more than most. He doesn't have to be the best drummer, bassist, guitarist, keyboardist, etc... that ever lived. He simply wasn't any of those things. Neither was Mozart. Neither was Beethoven. Neither was Zappa. Neither was Stevie. Understand?

nayroo2002 said:

And, again, 200 Balloons is NOT in the album.

Doozer said:

I already knew that.
So it's not the same song at all. Anna Waiting is absolutely not in the album. Neither the remix of Batdance, nor 200 balloons.
A song is : the music + the lyrics.

Even the part heard in the movie of VW sounds a little different, IIRC.
So even the production was likely reworked anyway.
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@steakfinger

I'm not a musician. I don't judge music by how difficult it is to play, but by how it makes me feel. I know the Batdance solo was nothing, really. I meant that even for a throwaway solo, Prince imbued it with more energy and feeling than an album's worth of, say, Eddie Van Halen.

I didn't mean to compare Prince to Hendrix either. I know the latter was on another level.

RODSERLING said:

Doozer said:

https://princevault.com/i...ki_Waiting

I already knew that. So it's not the same song at all. Anna Waiting is absolutely not in the album. Neither the remix of Batdance, nor 200 balloons. A song is : the music + the lyrics. Even the part heard in the movie of VW sounds a little different, IIRC. So even the production was likely reworked anyway. [Edited 1/12/22 9:51am] [Edited 1/12/22 9:52am]

I believe the version used in the movie (overheard at a party at Wayne manor) is an instrumental portion of a longer version of Vicki Waiting with different musical elements than what's in the album version. It's listed as a "remix" on princevault but think it's a separate, longer track, in circulation as "Vicki Waiting (long version)." 7:15 in length.

RODSERLING said:

You can twist it around however you want. The song wasn't written for Batman. Tweaking lyrics to mention Gotham and Vicki etc doesn't change the fact the song is the same.

LoveGalore said:

Ok : can you post me a limk to Anna Waiting to hear the differences and to show me how much the lyrics are the same?
You know it's not true.
You know these are two different songs. Unless you don't know what the words "written" And "song" Mean.

RODSERLING said:

Just because it's your favorite album does not make reality any different. He took two weeks to tweak a few songs and record a couple new ones. Big fucking deal.

LoveGalore said:

It's not my favorite P's album, I never said that.
So I asked you to show me the differences between Anna and Vicki Waiting.
Now, you turned it on making Rod Waiting... For your demonstration.
Thanks.
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