TrivialPursuit said:

bozojones said:

gotta say, I'm with Bart on this one. I'd love for it to be true but it's just unrealistic at the estate & labels' current pace.

But people like Bart, and maybe you - I don't know, is that none of us are running an estate of a mega star. We are basing our opinions on our perception of things. We're not in the mix with decisions and plans.

Prince fans are spoiled (whatshisname's not a Prince fan at all, anyway). We think everything should come out as fast as Prince recorded it. Just remaster, plan the artwork, arrange manfacturing, distribution, the sale campaign, arrange for shipping, etc. in a week or two. Sorry not sorry - life doesn't work that way. This ain't an Etsy or eBay shop. Dis a bid'ness.

There is logic to not oversaturing a market - and the market today is incredibly different than it was even 20 years ago when NPGMC was around. Even whatshisname talks about how small a fanbase there is, yet he and folks like him think everyone should be able to purchase $400 sets every 2 or 3 months.

Well, bully for him for having that kind of job. Most don't. Most people have a spouse or S.O., children, mortgages, car payments, insurance, etc. The estate knows that. They also know it takes time to move merchandise from inception to delivery and beyond. They can't bombard people with stuff every 3 months.

SOTT was huge, and that's probably why it was the only release that year (unless Sony Legacy did something... I don't keep up w/ the purple vinyl stuff).

I mean, forget the supply line problems that have even plagued the George Michael estate (one of their big releases has been pushed to 2022 because of that). They should just make it happen, according to whatshisname. He may read the whole internet and consider himself an expert, but the fact is he isn't - none of us are. But basic business practices seem like a logical understanding. Maybe not, for some.

So whatever "pace" folks think the estate should release stuff is likely not well-informed. And that's not because people are stupid or anything. They're just ignorant of the inner workings of the estate.

Fans already bitch that things are a "money grab," so if they release 3 or 4 SDE's a year, fans would still bitch that it's a money grab.

It's not unreasonable to want it, it is unreasonable to expect it at an unreasonable pace.

Now we wait on whatshisname to come through and rebutt everything cuz he's read the internet and knows everything.

There's a huge gulf between "one new album a year" and "$400 sets every 2 or 3 months", and I think a lot of people here would agree that the latter is unreasonable, but I do think it's very reasonable to want more than just one single album per year.

As for the money grab thing... yeah, I'd say that releasing vinyl color variants of popular albums that have already been released in recent years is very much a cash grab. Totally different than releasing a SDE with lots of previously unreleased material.

bozojones said:

There's a huge gulf between "one new album a year" and "$400 sets every 2 or 3 months", and I think a lot of people here would agree that the latter is unreasonable, but I do think it's very reasonable to want more than just one single album per year.

As for the money grab thing... yeah, I'd say that releasing vinyl color variants of popular albums that have already been released in recent years is very much a cash grab. Totally different than releasing a SDE with lots of previously unreleased material.

I definitely get there's a diff in those things. Totally fair. They were extreme examples, but sometimes I feel like that's what a lot of Prince fans expect. Just a constant stream of releases. Also, we've had more than one thing a year, except 2020.

I can see why they are doing the vinyl thing, though - purple or not. Much of that stuff has never been reprinted on vinyl, or not printed at all. It is Legacy, after all. That's what that part of Sony does, handles the legacy part. They're systematically going through and putting everything on vinyl. There are a lot of vinyl folks out there, so there's a market. And maybe a lot of regular buyers who are into vinyl would want a vinyl copy of something. The average consumer is'nt going to give two shits about SOTT or Parade SDEs. Ya know?

Someone should do a list (again) of everything released new (including stuff that was never on vinyl before). Just for perspective.

Unless we hear a 'big' name being paid reasonable sums then the streaming thing will be a dud.

Prince was unabel to run websites for long.

Of course the Estate is not Prince but they'd have to convince us...

OnlyNDaUsa said:

BartVanHemelen said:

Oh year sure, the people who couldn't manage to release anything except a single album in 2021 are going to develop a streaming service, despite the Estate still being mired in various tax issues etc.

the tax issues seems to be settled or about to be,

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Nope. Federal tax bill, sure, but that will still take months. Guess what? That's just one of the tax bills.

BartVanHemelen said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

the tax issues seems to be settled or about to be,

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Nope. Federal tax bill, sure, but that will still take months. Guess what? That's just one of the tax bills.

Cuz if anyone has seen the estate's tax bills, it's BVH!

TrivialPursuit said:

Prince fans are spoiled (whatshisname's not a Prince fan at all, anyway). We think everything should come out as fast as Prince recorded it. Just remaster, plan the artwork, arrange manfacturing, distribution, the sale campaign, arrange for shipping, etc. in a week or two.

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I never said this. In fact, I have repeatedly said the opposite. Hell, you got your panties in a twist here because I spoke the truth.

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Well, bully for him for having that kind of job. Most don't. Most people have a spouse or S.O., children, mortgages, car payments, insurance, etc. The estate knows that. They also know it takes time to move merchandise from inception to delivery and beyond. They can't bombard people with stuff every 3 months.

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After SOTT SDE there were six+ months without a single peep. And then the announcement for W2A, four months in advance of its release, which basically meant W2A was going to be it for 2021. A single album. When there should be an SDE of a classic era album every year, plus another "new" release (but not an expensive SDE) every year. Two releases featuring new music each year isn't a lot. Instead we got W2A with an overpriced "SDE" version of it.

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2022 we'll likely see a single SDE (likely D&P since it is not part of the Sony/Legacy reissues and since it was obviously planned for late 2021 but W2A's absurd late release prevented that) on top of the reissues in Feb. Other than that? Perhaps the odd overpriced 7" and who knows what superfluous overpriced and pointless RSD release.

soladeo1 said:

But with prince it could be even more amazing as he has such an incredible wealth of vault material. Every concert, sound check, after show and jam session…mixed and remastered…

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You lot are waaaay overestimating what's in the vault. Did Prince "tape" every show? Perhaps, but then likely not as a multi-track but simply as a "direct recording from the mixing desk" -- which means there isn't much magic to be done there WRT improving its audio. Did he keep all of those recordings? Again: possible, but not guaranteed. On what kind of medium were those shows taped? Simple cassettes (for the 1980s)? That would mean additional technological limitations.

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All of this is even more true WRT rehearsals, soundchecks, etc. Whether aftershows were taped: who knows? I wouldn't be surprised if the only recording of the legendary Trojan Horse show is the one made by that club's owners that night.

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Then there is the question: were all of these recordings kept? Were they properly stored? Were they documented properly?

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A reminder: every tape that gets "pulled" in the Iron Mountain archive means a cost. Then they need to digitize it, clean it up master it, etc. Each of these things costs money. They'll need to invest a fuckton of money to simply have a sizeable amount of recordings available. That's a lot of risk for a service that might not make any money. Plus they need to be careful not to hinder future SDEs. Plus the first (and most profitable) half of the archive (everything pre-1996) is controlled by Warners, and I don't expect them to just be okay with all those recordings being sold without getting their part of the action.

TrivialPursuit said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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Nope. Federal tax bill, sure, but that will still take months. Guess what? That's just one of the tax bills.

Cuz if anyone has seen the estate's tax bills, it's BVH!

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Nope. I simply have a brain. And I can read.

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Hint: there's a sticky thread about the Estate. We know plenty.

I had a look at the posthumous releases on Princevault.com last night and (excluding the coloured vinyl stuff) there seems to be 11 album releases in only 5 years. 7 of those releases contain a lot of unreleased material. A LOT. Other than wishing the Anthology was also a physical release and hoping a streaming/download service was set up, I think the Estate has been quite generous in a very short space of time when you consider they HAVE to monetize this asset and considering the disarray Prince left his legacy in.

Some of us on here are just spoiled and greedy.

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Freek99999 said:

So a reasonable pricing plan is mandatory.

love2thenines2003 said:

lustmealways said:

Hot off the presses, a quote I just read from that one French forum, that some sort of streaming/download/something platform is being prepared to deliver content, namely live videos of aftershows at this point in time, and will roll out some time in 2022.

Personally I think it'll probably be scrapped in favor of more colored LP releases if it even existed in the first place, but it would be nice. What do we think of this and what do we hope to see format wise? This has been discussed to death, but is it really happening? Probably not. Discuss.

Calm down my friends !

Iam french ....iam on this forum....i read the post....it is just a wish from a poor some fan desesperate to see this wish happening in our reality.....just a wish...a dream....nothing more !!

Post from this Forum translated

"The year 2022 is going to be wonderful. We are finally going to enjoy the masters we have been waiting for.Between the platform that the estate is preparing for us to serve us anthology videos such as the 1982 First Avenue, the 1983 First Avenue or the 1983 First Avenue, without forgetting aftershows such as the 1988 Camden or the 1993 Rex, to name only the ones we know, and many others.Doors were opened to us, but it was above all the general public that would not return home from discovering these nuggets. Prince will be the talk of the town.This time, we'll get real transfers, not like the botched videos that were put on DVD like 1999 deluxe or purple rain deluxe.Some people will probably say I'm dreaming, we'll see, but it is all possible.I'm not even talking about the studio material that will be revealed. Projects that we didn't know about.And then, if all that doesn't happen, it's still good to dream a little, in the middle of a pandemic, you relax your mind as you can, no matter how jealous the intolerant people are, because they are too bitter to have positive thoughts about the future ."

[Edited 12/31/21 13:19pm]

Hi, you might sharing forum link. Would be interested

Just a streaming of the Blu-ray concert Welcome 2 America would be nice, so I don't have to pretend to be Japanese in order to access it.

coldwinterdewinmtl said:

love2thenines2003 said:

Calm down my friends !

Iam french ....iam on this forum....i read the post....it is just a wish from a poor some fan desesperate to see this wish happening in our reality.....just a wish...a dream....nothing more !!

Post from this Forum translated

"The year 2022 is going to be wonderful. We are finally going to enjoy the masters we have been waiting for.Between the platform that the estate is preparing for us to serve us anthology videos such as the 1982 First Avenue, the 1983 First Avenue or the 1983 First Avenue, without forgetting aftershows such as the 1988 Camden or the 1993 Rex, to name only the ones we know, and many others.Doors were opened to us, but it was above all the general public that would not return home from discovering these nuggets. Prince will be the talk of the town.This time, we'll get real transfers, not like the botched videos that were put on DVD like 1999 deluxe or purple rain deluxe.Some people will probably say I'm dreaming, we'll see, but it is all possible.I'm not even talking about the studio material that will be revealed. Projects that we didn't know about.And then, if all that doesn't happen, it's still good to dream a little, in the middle of a pandemic, you relax your mind as you can, no matter how jealous the intolerant people are, because they are too bitter to have positive thoughts about the future ."

[Edited 12/31/21 13:19pm]

Hi, you might sharing forum link. Would be interested

I meant to say ''you mind"

RODSERLING said:

Freek99999 said:

what a terribe, terrible, terrible idea that would be

Why? That's how Netflix and streaming services work. They're not going to give everything for the same subscription price. So the more you pay, the more you have access to everything.

Streaming services only succeed, though, if they have the actual content to justify the subscription price. To this day, I've heard people complain that Apple TV+ doesn't have enough content to justify $4.99 a month. The abundance of content on a service like HBOMax justifies the $14.99 a month.

There isn't enough content in the World of Prince to justify anything more than $4.99 a month, and even that would be a TOUGH sell.

MIRvmn said:

A streaming service would be a good idea and we could get access

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They could have done this soon after day one.

But they did not.

So please wake me when it is online.

BartVanHemelen said:

TrivialPursuit said:

Cuz if anyone has seen the estate's tax bills, it's BVH!

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Nope. I simply have a brain. And I can read.

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Hint: there's a sticky thread about the Estate. We know plenty.

Told ya.

Germanegro said:

live.brucespringsteen.net--a part of the nugs.net live recording distribution network lauched by a Mr. Brad Serling, my intial research finds (https://api.nugs.net/about).

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It would be interesting to hear how nugs.net structures their deals with the artists and to discover whether the Prince Estate and its corporate collaboraters would be interested to enter a live recordings distribution deal with that company.

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Such a development could possibly increase the buying market among Prince's 80s-career-loving fans while simultaneously offering a platform for Prince's broader-career recordings to be appreciated by his fans of wider-ranging tastes, alike.

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Nice idea, dm3857!

dm3857 said:

So there is already the perfect blueprint for this.. look no further than live.brucespringsteen.net

I've said this for years on here. Nugs.net also handles a lot of other artists' live downloads.

TheBigBang said:

TrivialPursuit said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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Nope. I simply have a brain. And I can read.

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Hint: there's a sticky thread about the Estate. We know plenty.

Told ya.

Yes you did but sheesh you didn't need to. It's always there.

lustmealways said:

[Misleading title edit - luv4u]

Hot off the presses, a quote I just read from that one French forum, that some sort of streaming/download/something platform is being prepared to deliver content, namely live videos of aftershows at this point in time, and will roll out some time in 2022.

Personally I think it'll probably be scrapped in favor of more colored LP releases if it even existed in the first place, but it would be nice. What do we think of this and what do we hope to see format wise? This has been discussed to death, but is it really happening? Probably not. Discuss.

Really a concert / aftershow from every album / tour era would be very nice.