No, I don't want to give anyone rope. We live and learn.

I'll say this to a broader audience: to think that "the Black experience" is solely ghetto, drugs, violence, etc. is a white supremacist trope. I'm not saying LoveGalore is a white supremacist. The idea is, and one that is wrongly perpetuated.

I've had plenty of non-white (aka BLACK) friends who have never done drugs, never got involved in violence, wasn't born, raised, or lived in the ghetto, weren't prostitutes, crack babies, or whatever someone may think the "Black experience" is in the U.S. Their experience as Black people is not unique, it's one of many, the same with white folks.

It's sorta like seeing a Black person with a nice car, and asking, "Wow, is this yours?" Who's else would it be?!?! Like they stole the car or something, and that's the only way they could possibly be in such a car?

It's that.

Hell, there are certain little towns, often profiled on news programs, in the south that are riddled with meth and other drugs, with a primarily white population.

So that "experience" can be anyone's, and is not solely a black thing.

TrivialPursuit said:

LoveGalore said:

Off the soapbox, bud. It's unnecessary. Any white person who isn't trying extra hard to pretend certain parts of the black experience don't exist can acknowledge the very real things gangsta rappers (especially pioneers like NWA) were talking about. Prince didn't know a single thing about the kind of experience folks have where gangsta rap originated and this is clear in the "Gangsta Glam" video. He was way out of touch. And no. That "experience" isn't granted to everyone. It's granted to where the red lines foretold it and you should know better given your age during the 80s, where Reagan spent nearly the entire decade working to subjugate and suppress black people. What's next? "I don't see color."? LMFAO. [Edited 1/8/22 18:33pm]

Just general statements, nothing pointed toward anyone. I always try to challenge the ideas, not attack the person. (I know I fail sometimes, but not here.)

And I get Prince was trying to mimic the gangsta rap at the time, but c'mon- he's Prince. It was fluffy, at best. It's almost like he did it just to take the piss out of someone.

While Prince was in2 providing images for the masses to enjoy or ridicule per their disposition, he always had his heart in2 advising his people on taking better steps forward toward positivity and betterment in their achievements. I'll always love this about the man.

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While checking the latest comments here on Prince emulating gangsta rap in his "Gangsta Glam" video--which I honestly feel to a pretty funny summation of the act--I ran upon a video of DMX describing the time when he met Prince while hanging at a Toronto nightclub.

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https://www.youtube.com/w...3xUTwDo1mg

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Who knows--maybe P was more of a gangster than I knew? I mean, the entertainment world can have some harsh business for the world's performers to navigate--and navigate he did! Maybe his observations toward the rap game was more of an influencer than a destroyer of Prince's career?

fen said:

LoveGalore said:

TonyVanDam said:

muleFunk said:

If you are in the Hall of Fame your career didn't get destoyed .

Exactly!

I'm not sure about this. Janet Jackson is inducted in the Rock n Roll Hall Of Fame. Her career was hindered by Les Moonves. Nothing happened to Justin Timberlake though.

MickyDolenz said:

TonyVanDam said:

Exactly!

I'm not sure about this. Janet Jackson is inducted in the Rock n Roll Hall Of Fame. Her career was hindered by Les Moonves. Nothing happened to Justin Timberlake though.

Its still in debate how wrecked her career was, or was she just coming down to earth and getting old for the mainstream too, her sales were dropping prior, and the Jackson name has been tarnished quite a bit. As for Justin what has he even done? Musically he has been non existentent since his 2013 album, and yes he did have a number one album in 2018 with Into The Woods, that was quickly certified platnum but like many artists with a quick number one debut (like springsteen, bon jovi etc...) there were never really any hits off it per say, and the albums quickly vanished, Timberlake had the first single go to number 9 but it was far from a memorable overplayed thing, it was in advance of the record and a quick debut also, after that the next two singles went nowhere, one charting at number 71, so he has dropped big time from selling 4 million in 2013, to have his next album sell under a million in 2018 and there has been no hint to him doing music or an album again, so I think he pretty much has past his day.

I think most of the paisley-tinted-glasses-wearing folk do realize that his act wasn't set to become a kingpin of the gangsta-rap with the singles you cite--same with the jazz and the punkish tones--he was a colorist doing his stylings, borrowing from the musical pallette and creating his own special sonic textures with his tech and engineering experimentation. Some do appreciate this fact, and even some of the purists you mention--perhaps not yourself at any rate. It was gangsta-GLAM, you know, not straight up gangsta.

Prince's initial feelings of disdain for rap as it grew in stature on the entertainment plane-- like some older funksters ahead of him had felt--I believe shifted and he ultimately showed them espect as the new generation of entertainers informing the zietgeist that they were. Prince's rap-infused "gangster-of-funk-boasting" image was absolutely a failure to embrace those hardcore South-Central LA drug-and-violence impulses, with intention. I don't believe for a second that he was trying to replicate or be a proponent of that in those singles, but to incorporate some heavier beats into his tunes to rock at the clubs; he was genuinely exited to provide soundtracks for the clubs.

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Perhaps he failed in that intention as well, but I don't think that you can call them an ingenuine attempt or unentertaining.

LoveGalore said:

fen said:

The Last Poets, Gil Scott Heron and P-Funk had used spoken word over music - you could definitely argue that they're precursors to rap, but it isn't the same thing. Prince's use of spoken word on tracks like Irresistible Bitch would fall into that category for me... not exactly rap.

I think that “Gangster Rap” is a completely valid mode and medium of expression from people who previously hadn’t had much of a voice, but as others have said it isn’t the essence of Hip-Hop. Hip-Hop was as much defined by groups like De La Soul and A Tribe Called Quest who had a distinctly gentle vibe. The fact that Gangster Rap became synonymous with the genre in people's minds is due to the hysteria that it provoked in the American establishment, which is a whole other conversation.

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So answer me this - was Gangsta Glam, Clocking the Jizz, and Goldnigga a bunch of riffs on Gil Scot Heron? Or any other aspect of Hip Hop other than gangsta rap? No? That's my point. Prince sucked at the genre and had multiple embarrassing attempts at it because his heart and soul simply weren't there. He was trying to speak from a perspective he simply didn't know firsthand. Not the first and only time he did this, but certainly the most glorious failure. Jazz purists also laugh at his attempts at that genre because, listen, Prince wasn't a jazz musician. He wasn't a punk so Dirty Mind and Controversy are his best shot (again, purists of the genre would laugh at these records being considered remotely close to punk). It's okay to admit Prince wasn't an expert at everything he ever did in life - much less everything he ever did in music. Some people here want to take my comments and put their comfy paisley-tinted glasses on and act like I'm questioning princes blackness. Not so. And it is precisely because the black experience is made up of many things (including SOME things that, no, I'm so sorry, white people don't know shit about) that makes it quite reasonable to be aware of why prince failed at rap.

Wolfie87 said:

LoveGalore said:

So answer me this - was Gangsta Glam, Clocking the Jizz, and Goldnigga a bunch of riffs on Gil Scot Heron? Or any other aspect of Hip Hop other than gangsta rap? No? That's my point. Prince sucked at the genre and had multiple embarrassing attempts at it because his heart and soul simply weren't there. He was trying to speak from a perspective he simply didn't know firsthand. Not the first and only time he did this, but certainly the most glorious failure. Jazz purists also laugh at his attempts at that genre because, listen, Prince wasn't a jazz musician. He wasn't a punk so Dirty Mind and Controversy are his best shot (again, purists of the genre would laugh at these records being considered remotely close to punk). It's okay to admit Prince wasn't an expert at everything he ever did in life - much less everything he ever did in music. Some people here want to take my comments and put their comfy paisley-tinted glasses on and act like I'm questioning princes blackness. Not so. And it is precisely because the black experience is made up of many things (including SOME things that, no, I'm so sorry, white people don't know shit about) that makes it quite reasonable to be aware of why prince failed at rap.

Yep, and he was too apparent going down the G-rap lane. It was so easy to expose. However, who really was a "gangsta" at the time? Instead they simply made gangsta lifestyle a Hollywood portrait on wax. "I was shooting 3 people last night, punk ass bitches" . Yeah, right. Ice Cube wasn't gangsta or Dr Dre for that matter, but I respect Ice Cube more because he was able to speak some truth on social problems 1990-1992, thanks to a straight up smart collaboration with the Bomb Squad and Chuck D. That combined with some thought-provoking and great lyrics. Dr Dre just made it overload with The Chronic. Great fucking production, but just because he came in contact with Snoop Dogg who was in jail at that time, he started acting like he was a gangsta. And people ate that shit up. Well, except Eazy-E and MC Ren, who really knew. And there is a reason Eazy-E left and joined team with Cold187um who is a fucking genius producer and the Above The Law/Kokane crew. There is also a reason he joined Penthouse Player's Clique and specifically DJ Quik, who is the greatest Producer and jack of all trades in Hip-hop. And still lives in Compton, I believe. [Edited 1/9/22 1:43am]

Yeah obviously Dre and Cube are well known for not living the same kind of lifestyle that Eazy and D.O.C. did, but D.O.C. was writing most of those lyrics anyway (with Cube and Wren being close seconds). I don't think Dre will ever live down the World Class Wrecking Crew background, lol.

All respect to DJ Quik, btw, who did some of my favorite Hip Hop production ever (even his softer stuff with Mariah Carey is fire).

And I agree - all your points are solid. But if I'm really being strict to the topic of the thread then I gotta say that while rap did not destroy Prince's career, his attempts at it in the 90s were abysmal and the injection of overly-macho aesthetic PROBABLY did some damage to men wearing makeup and hairspray. Notice that nothing particularly glam did well in the 90s unless it had some sort of industrial/goth flavor to it.

Even David Bowie, no doubt a progenitor of glam along with Marc Bolan, struggled in the 90s to find an artistic message that could stand alongside the drastically evolving landscape. Bowie suffered the entire decade until he hooked up with Trent Reznor who was king of the last genre that allowed men to wear lipstick and blush at the time, lol.

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lastdecember said:

Its still in debate how wrecked her career was, or was she just coming down to earth and getting old for the mainstream too, her sales were dropping prior, and the Jackson name has been tarnished quite a bit. As for Justin what has he even done? Musically he has been non existentent since his 2013 album, and yes he did have a number one album in 2018 with Into The Woods, that was quickly certified platnum but like many artists with a quick number one debut (like springsteen, bon jovi etc...) there were never really any hits off it per say, and the albums quickly vanished, Timberlake had the first single go to number 9 but it was far from a memorable overplayed thing, it was in advance of the record and a quick debut also, after that the next two singles went nowhere, one charting at number 71, so he has dropped big time from selling 4 million in 2013, to have his next album sell under a million in 2018 and there has been no hint to him doing music or an album again, so I think he pretty much has past his day.

Justin has a movie career. Also he had a really popular soundtrack song Can't Stop The Feeling which currently has 1,501,711,128 views. He wasn't blacklisted like Janet. Justin was used on the Michael Jackson Xscape album. Love Never Felt So Good has 321,624,841 views. Justin also has several popular appearances on Jimmy Fallon's show doing the "history of rap". There's even a meme that shows up every May from the *NSYNC video It's Gonna Be Me. Earth Wind & Fire has one for September.

TheEnglishGent said:

lastdecember said:

Belinda Carlisles "Heaven is a place on earth" in the streaming era since it started has had 320 million on services combined for that song , that equals about 900,000 -1.2 million that she got paid for 320 million people listening or having her song in their possession, that's not even factoring in the musicians who played on it, the producers etc...so 320million and I get about 900,000 of that? That's criminal. Even if you say half of these streams are full subscribers that means the streaming companies which do nothing at all, made about 700 million on subscriptions.

The streaming companies do nothing at all? Hosting is free? Staff costs are free? Software development is free? $900,000 seems like a decent amount from streaming revenue for one song. It's not like those 320 million people would have all bought the single. That argument is like when movie companies cite number of copies downloaded and equate that to lost revenue. And is that 320 million plays, or unique listeners? If people listen multiple times and that number is pure plays, then the number of 'owners' of the song is massively smaller. In the old days, hundreds of people could have just recorded a song of the radio and the artist got no share of those people listening or now having a copy of the song.

And Belinda obvioulsy isn't that bothered because I just went to her YouTube channel to see how many views the video has there and there isn't even an advert on it. No point getting upset for someone who isn't even bothering to maximise their potential revenues.

I used her as a reference because recenlty someone was breaking down a top 10 from 1987 and saying what had been streamed of those songs since its been tracked it wasnt about her complaining about streaming. Again those all are estimates of her payments its also not a one year thing, it could be over a five year or ten year counting that is not known since its just said during "the streaming era". I think the artists that will now have issues with the way things are paid out are artists just coming into music. Spotify on average uploads 66,000 new songs a day, thats insanity, and over 22 million during a year. So as you say there are people there uploading and doing software and organizing algorythyms etc...but its not by any means anyone that is looking to gatekeep the work, its worse then what labels became in later days. The irony is that APPLE and its 99 cent song days where then said to be "so people dont illegal download, we made it cheap" well most knew that argument was BS since all labels had stock in Apple and now with streaming its all about ease and the consumer does nothing for the music, because now digitial download purchases are their lowest ever, streaming is high, but oddly last year CD sales for the first time since 2005 went up and vinyl continues to rise. So oddly there is a slow moving trend of actually owning things again, be it nowhere near the height of music sales, but this in turn is going to cause streaming companies to look at each $$ to the artists, and their subscription charges.

MickyDolenz said:

lastdecember said:

Its still in debate how wrecked her career was, or was she just coming down to earth and getting old for the mainstream too, her sales were dropping prior, and the Jackson name has been tarnished quite a bit. As for Justin what has he even done? Musically he has been non existentent since his 2013 album, and yes he did have a number one album in 2018 with Into The Woods, that was quickly certified platnum but like many artists with a quick number one debut (like springsteen, bon jovi etc...) there were never really any hits off it per say, and the albums quickly vanished, Timberlake had the first single go to number 9 but it was far from a memorable overplayed thing, it was in advance of the record and a quick debut also, after that the next two singles went nowhere, one charting at number 71, so he has dropped big time from selling 4 million in 2013, to have his next album sell under a million in 2018 and there has been no hint to him doing music or an album again, so I think he pretty much has past his day.

Justin has a movie career. Also he had a really popular soundtrack song Can't Stop The Feeling which currently has 1,501,711,128 views. He wasn't blacklisted like Janet. Justin was used on the Michael Jackson Xscape album. Love Never Felt So Good has 321,624,841 views. Justin also has several popular appearances on Jimmy Fallon's show doing the "history of rap". There's even a meme that shows up every May from the *NSYNC video It's Gonna Be Me. Earth Wind & Fire has one for September.

The song was 2016 and yes it was a hit attached to a movie, but he really started garnering his own bad press too, which is why his 2018 album sank like a stone, and he clearly has fallen off, is he popular, I mean his name is known, and alot of those relations especially with Fallon that came from SNL days so thats also been there and thats just who Fallon is he likes everywhere to a sickening level. As far as NYSNYC i mean this is an artist that sold a million in one day from a time when that was a thing so like we may look at "oldies" this generation now, NSYNC and Brintey are their oldies.

TrivialPursuit said:

lastdecember said:

The song was 2016 and yes it was a hit attached to a movie, but he really started garnering his own bad press too, which is why his 2018 album sank like a stone, and he clearly has fallen off, is he popular, I mean his name is known, and alot of those relations especially with Fallon that came from SNL days so thats also been there and thats just who Fallon is he likes everywhere to a sickening level. As far as NYSNYC i mean this is an artist that sold a million in one day from a time when that was a thing so like we may look at "oldies" this generation now, NSYNC and Brintey are their oldies.

Bruno Mars took over Justin's spot. Maybe Justin Bieber too. Bieber is still geting radio hits today. Even Chris Brown has recent hits. All 3 have been around for over 10 years. So their earlier stuff is also oldies now. Chris Brown has gotten more negative meida attention over the years than Timberlake.

Was Prince's career ever "destroyed"? Last I checked before he passed he lived in a mansion and was still selling out to stadium-sized crowds across the world!

LoveGalore said:

fen said:

The Last Poets, Gil Scott Heron and P-Funk had used spoken word over music - you could definitely argue that they're precursors to rap, but it isn't the same thing. Prince's use of spoken word on tracks like Irresistible Bitch would fall into that category for me... not exactly rap.

I think that “Gangster Rap” is a completely valid mode and medium of expression from people who previously hadn’t had much of a voice, but as others have said it isn’t the essence of Hip-Hop. Hip-Hop was as much defined by groups like De La Soul and A Tribe Called Quest who had a distinctly gentle vibe. The fact that Gangster Rap became synonymous with the genre in people's minds is due to the hysteria that it provoked in the American establishment, which is a whole other conversation.

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So answer me this - was Gangsta Glam, Clocking the Jizz, and Goldnigga a bunch of riffs on Gil Scot Heron? Or any other aspect of Hip Hop other than gangsta rap? No? That's my point. Prince sucked at the genre and had multiple embarrassing attempts at it because his heart and soul simply weren't there. He was trying to speak from a perspective he simply didn't know firsthand. Not the first and only time he did this, but certainly the most glorious failure. Jazz purists also laugh at his attempts at that genre because, listen, Prince wasn't a jazz musician. He wasn't a punk so Dirty Mind and Controversy are his best shot (again, purists of the genre would laugh at these records being considered remotely close to punk). It's okay to admit Prince wasn't an expert at everything he ever did in life - much less everything he ever did in music. Some people here want to take my comments and put their comfy paisley-tinted glasses on and act like I'm questioning princes blackness. Not so. And it is precisely because the black experience is made up of many things (including SOME things that, no, I'm so sorry, white people don't know shit about) that makes it quite reasonable to be aware of why prince failed at rap.

I mentioned those artists in response to the statement that Prince was rapping in 1983, whereas I would class those early tracks as spoken word. I agree that by the early 90s he was clearly trying to portray an image that was more street, I never denied that. As I said initially, I'm not a fan of Prince's attempts at hip-hop (with a couple of exceptions) and just saw it as a misguided strategy, so I'm with you on that at least.

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MickyDolenz said:

TonyVanDam said:

Exactly!

I'm not sure about this. Janet Jackson is inducted in the Rock n Roll Hall Of Fame. Her career was hindered by Les Moonves. Nothing happened to Justin Timberlake though.

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THAT SuperBowl halftime show fallout delayed Janet's R&RHOF entry by a couple of years. Quite honestly, she could have been inducted 2 years before Madonna.

lastdecember said:

MickyDolenz said:

I'm not sure about this. Janet Jackson is inducted in the Rock n Roll Hall Of Fame. Her career was hindered by Les Moonves. Nothing happened to Justin Timberlake though.

Its still in debate how wrecked her career was, or was she just coming down to earth and getting old for the mainstream too, her sales were dropping prior, and the Jackson name has been tarnished quite a bit. As for Justin what has he even done? Musically he has been non existentent since his 2013 album, and yes he did have a number one album in 2018 with Into The Woods, that was quickly certified platnum but like many artists with a quick number one debut (like springsteen, bon jovi etc...) there were never really any hits off it per say, and the albums quickly vanished, Timberlake had the first single go to number 9 but it was far from a memorable overplayed thing, it was in advance of the record and a quick debut also, after that the next two singles went nowhere, one charting at number 71, so he has dropped big time from selling 4 million in 2013, to have his next album sell under a million in 2018 and there has been no hint to him doing music or an album again, so I think he pretty much has past his day.

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Like I've been saying for years, Janet has not done anymore career groundbreaking hit albums since The Velvet Rope, and THAT was 26 years ago!

toejam said:

Was Prince's career ever "destroyed"? Last I checked before he passed he lived in a mansion and was still selling out to stadium-sized crowds across the world!

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No, Prince's career was never destoryed!

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But there was a time right after The Hits/The B-Sides & right before Musicology [released within the same year of Prince's R&RHOF induction!] that only die-hard Prince-fans, myself including, actually gave pretty of damns abouts his next albums, his next concerts, AND his next after parties.

TonyVanDam said:

THAT SuperBowl halftime show fallout delayed Janet's R&RHOF entry by a couple of years. Quite honestly, she could have been inducted 2 years before Madonna.

The original lineup of Destiny's Child is eligible this year. You think they're gonna get in? Jay-Z is already inducted and Blue Ivy even won a Grammy.

LoveGalore said:

fen said:

Yeah, that was a poor choice of words (MF Doom made radical hip-hop in the 2000s, Zebra Katz is making it today etc) - what I mean is that its initial cultural impact as something completely fresh and new had passed, and that initial creative spark is something quite different from a genre becoming established in the mainstream as a major economic force (which is the point at which Prince jumped on board). The "Golden Age" is generally considered to be mid 80s to early/mid 90s if I'm not mistaken.

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But Prince had been rapping in songs since 1983. So I think this has less to do with rap as part of the zeitgeist and all to do with the fact that Prince really couldn't do it all, and he hated it. Prince was a master of the space he carved out but that space was his alone. He didn't have any of the upbringing or culture that rappers had. He didn't grow up in the ghetto, didn't deal with daily violence on the streets, etc. He was so far removed from that corner of the black experience and was a gazillionaire by the time rap actually became a force to be reckoned with. If Babyface or Raphael Sadiiq or any other RnB/Soul artist with a similarly soft background started rapping about hard shit and carrying a microphone gun while wearing roller skates and a onesie thong bathing suit thing, they'd similarly be met with skepticism.

u wrong in the 70s according to Pepe Willie North Minneapolis was called the Midwest Compton so blacks were living as normal there too destroying their own community ..its just Dr, Dre made compton more infamous whereas Prince tried to get away from his upbringing...

funkman88 said:

MickyDolenz said:

TonyVanDam said:

THAT SuperBowl halftime show fallout delayed Janet's R&RHOF entry by a couple of years. Quite honestly, she could have been inducted 2 years before Madonna.

The original lineup of Destiny's Child is eligible this year. You think they're gonna get in? Jay-Z is already inducted and Blue Ivy even won a Grammy.

I wouldn't doubt it if the RNR did that, but for me I wouldn't vote them yet, I think Beyoncé will get in solo before they do. I have a feeling the RNR is running out of artists now to put in so they are paying attention to all those they missed, Duran Duran I think is going to finally get their chance on a ballot, they should've been in a while ago and definitely before the cure and Depeche Mode easily. Duran is actually now getting immense critical acclaim, I have seen their latest album on almost every top 10 critics choice and rightly so.

lastdecember said:

I wouldn't doubt it if the RNR did that, but for me I wouldn't vote them yet, I think Beyoncé will get in solo before they do. I have a feeling the RNR is running out of artists now to put in so they are paying attention to all those they missed, Duran Duran I think is going to finally get their chance on a ballot, they should've been in a while ago and definitely before the cure and Depeche Mode easily. Duran is actually now getting immense critical acclaim, I have seen their latest album on almost every top 10 critics choice and rightly so.

You mean they're running out of boomer blues/R&B based rock acts. Other stuff they mostly ignored, no America/Bread style soft rock, no Barry Manilow/Carpenters, few prog rock, heavy metal, & synth based artists. In recent years they started inducting kinda forgotten 1960s acts like Paul Butterfield Blues Band. Which fits their blues rock criteria. Eric Clapton has been inducted 3 times, the only performer to do so. They jumped on hip hop right away though. Some of them got in on their first year of eligibility. I always thought that you can quess who is more likely to get in by what kind of coverage (or lack of) they got in Rolling Stone magazine.

MickyDolenz said:

lastdecember said:

I wouldn't doubt it if the RNR did that, but for me I wouldn't vote them yet, I think Beyoncé will get in solo before they do. I have a feeling the RNR is running out of artists now to put in so they are paying attention to all those they missed, Duran Duran I think is going to finally get their chance on a ballot, they should've been in a while ago and definitely before the cure and Depeche Mode easily. Duran is actually now getting immense critical acclaim, I have seen their latest album on almost every top 10 critics choice and rightly so.

You mean they're running out of boomer blues/R&B based rock acts. Other stuff they mostly ignored, no America/Bread style soft rock, no Barry Manilow/Carpenters, few prog rock, heavy metal, & synth based artists. In recent years they started inducting kinda forgotten 1960s acts like Paul Butterfield Blues Band. Which fits their blues rock criteria. Eric Clapton has been inducted 3 times, the only performer to do so. They jumped on hip hop right away though. Some of them got in on their first year of eligibility. I always thought that you can quess who is more likely to get in by what kind of coverage (or lack of) they got in Rolling Stone magazine.

There are alot of Rock acts that should be in and arent because they are attached to a "labeling" of their sound. The band STYX should be in, or at least have been on the ballot, just for the mere fact that they had four consecutive mutli platnum selling albums, not certified, actual sales, no other artist other than Beatles ever did that with four in a row, and the fact that Journey got in, Styx should be grandfathered in also because they are more active now than a lot of these bands. Foreigner should be in, Mick Jones not only is a master of his sound he is a great rock writer and producer of others, and Lou Gramm, outside of Steve Perry best rock voices ever, and they defined a decade too. I mean if they are going to reach into all fields that is fine, but some are still waiting, like Pat Benatar who should have been in way before Joan Jett and the Go Go's and the fact Stevie Nicks is in their solo for a very hit and miss solo career, proves there is favortism.

lastdecember said:

There are alot of Rock acts that should be in and arent because they are attached to a "labeling" of their sound. The band STYX should be in, or at least have been on the ballot, just for the mere fact that they had four consecutive mutli platnum selling albums, not certified, actual sales, no other artist other than Beatles ever did that with four in a row, and the fact that Journey got in, Styx should be grandfathered in also because they are more active now than a lot of these bands. Foreigner should be in, Mick Jones not only is a master of his sound he is a great rock writer and producer of others, and Lou Gramm, outside of Steve Perry best rock voices ever, and they defined a decade too. I mean if they are going to reach into all fields that is fine, but some are still waiting, like Pat Benatar who should have been in way before Joan Jett and the Go Go's and the fact Stevie Nicks is in their solo for a very hit and miss solo career, proves there is favortism.

Jann Wenner was not that fond of those acts who were labeled "arena rock" or "corporate rock" like Styx, Boston, Journey, Foreigner, Toto, etc. Like prog with Genesis or disco with Donna Summer, maybe a couple were inducted as token. Like I mentioned, Wenner was mostly into blues & R&B influenced rock. That's what the majority of the 1960s British Invasion bands were and a lot of them were inducted. Same with Elvis Presley. There's not as many of the less blues style rock music of the 1970s like progressive rock, horn rock (Blood Sweat & Tears), jazz rock, or southern rock.

funkman88 said:

LoveGalore said:

Vannormal said: