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RogerRoger

Venus De Milo is Prince's best song

There I said it.

This song encapsules so much and hits my emotions

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Reply #1 posted 12/03/21 6:01pm

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Well, just because you're overly emotional about a song doesn't make it it his overall. I just makes it his best for you.

As a teenager, I was a big fan of his instrumentals or instrumental sections. "Alexa De Paris" and "Venus de Milo" were two favorites.

"eye don’t really care so much what people say about me because it is a reflection of who they r."
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Reply #2 posted 12/04/21 12:02am

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TrivialPursuit said:

Well, just because you're overly emotional about a song doesn't make it it his overall. I just makes it his best for you.

As a teenager, I was a big fan of his instrumentals or instrumental sections. "Alexa De Paris" and "Venus de Milo" were two favorites.




Come on man, it's a good instrumental. But in no shape or form a groundbreaking Prince composition. And as Trivialpursuit stated, I think Alexa De Paris is waaaaay stronger as an instrumental. :
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Reply #3 posted 12/04/21 1:37am

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RogerRoger said:

There I said it.


This song encapsules so much and hits my emotions



It's in my top 10 I think 🤔

I don't think it's better than Gold but it's great
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Reply #4 posted 12/04/21 3:29am

RogerRoger

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Well, just because you're overly emotional about a song doesn't make it it his overall. I just makes it his best for you.

"Yeah well that's just like your opinion maan".

Of course everything is your/my/anyone's opinion.
There are no absolutes.

Don't be so sensitive to hearing a different opinion than your own.

I'm not gonna put "for me" in my statements, it's a given

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Reply #5 posted 12/04/21 4:07am

Wolfie87

RogerRoger said:



TrivialPursuit said:


Well, just because you're overly emotional about a song doesn't make it it his overall. I just makes it his best for you.




"Yeah well that's just like your opinion maan".


Of course everything is your/my/anyone's opinion.
There are no absolutes.


Don't be so sensitive to hearing a different opinion than your own.


I'm not gonna put "for me" in my statements, it's a given



But it's objectively a wrong statement. Come on now! It's a pretty piano piece, but not even close to a structural groundbreaking work in his discography.
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Reply #6 posted 12/04/21 4:23am

RogerRoger

Wolfie87 said:

RogerRoger said:

"Yeah well that's just like your opinion maan".

Of course everything is your/my/anyone's opinion.
There are no absolutes.

Don't be so sensitive to hearing a different opinion than your own.

I'm not gonna put "for me" in my statements, it's a given

But it's objectively a wrong statement. Come on now! It's a pretty piano piece, but not even close to a structural groundbreaking work in his discography.

Yeah it's a fantastic piece of music smile

Not about anything "structural". Feelings

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Reply #7 posted 12/04/21 5:07am

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"Status: There were apparently two versions of “Venus De Milo” (1:55 and 5:22), but only the
shorter one was included on the Parade album. Clare Fischer added his touches on August 13,
1985, and elements of it were used in the Under The Cherry Moon movie, but the longer version
remained unreleased during Prince’s lifetime."

cool

Prince & Parade/SOTT era sessions Duane Tudahl

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Reply #8 posted 12/04/21 5:36am

RogerRoger

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"Status: There were apparently two versions of “Venus De Milo” (1:55 and 5:22), but only the
shorter one was included on the Parade album. Clare Fischer added his touches on August 13,
1985, and elements of it were used in the Under The Cherry Moon movie, but the longer version
remained unreleased during Prince’s lifetime."

cool

Prince & Parade/SOTT era sessions Duane Tudahl

I hope the long version gets released someday.

Could hope it will be on the Parade deluxe?

And I love Clare Fischers strings generally

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Reply #9 posted 12/04/21 12:11pm

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Wolfie87 said:


But it's objectively a wrong statement. Come on now! It's a pretty piano piece, but not even close to a structural groundbreaking work in his discography.


I will say, being a piano player, I was low-key obsessed with it in 1986. Mostly because it really as something different from all his previous stuff. But we sorta saw glimpses of him on piano not just in concert, but when he played "Purple Rain" on piano in the movie, or his prowess on "How Come U Don't Call Me Anymore," the beginning of "Condition of the Heart," or "God" (either version).

It also sorta showed how he could compose a song, even a short instrumental, and really make it into something unique and beautiful, not just something that's there for the sake of it. I mean, Prince - the biggest popstar in the land - was putting out an instrumental on an album, and a b-side?!?! I think it was a bold move.

BUt then again, he was cocky by that point and was trying so hard to distance himself from all things Purple Rain in some ways. (haircuts, clothes, musically, whatever)

His best song? Nope. It almost seems obtuse to add the "for me," because how does someone not hear a masterpiece like "Adore" or pop perfection like "Private Joy" and think "Venus de Milo" trumps all that?

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Reply #10 posted 12/04/21 2:32pm

Wolfie87

TrivialPursuit said:



Wolfie87 said:



But it's objectively a wrong statement. Come on now! It's a pretty piano piece, but not even close to a structural groundbreaking work in his discography.


I will say, being a piano player, I was low-key obsessed with it in 1986. Mostly because it really as something different from all his previous stuff. But we sorta saw glimpses of him on piano not just in concert, but when he played "Purple Rain" on piano in the movie, or his prowess on "How Come U Don't Call Me Anymore," the beginning of "Condition of the Heart," or "God" (either version).

It also sorta showed how he could compose a song, even a short instrumental, and really make it into something unique and beautiful, not just something that's there for the sake of it. I mean, Prince - the biggest popstar in the land - was putting out an instrumental on an album, and a b-side?!?! I think it was a bold move.

BUt then again, he was cocky by that point and was trying so hard to distance himself from all things Purple Rain in some ways. (haircuts, clothes, musically, whatever)

His best song? Nope. It almost seems obtuse to add the "for me," because how does someone not hear a masterpiece like "Adore" or pop perfection like "Private Joy" and think "Venus de Milo" trumps all that?



Yep, Adore is always my pick. Context is key, context is everything. This shit was recorded 1986/1987 on analog equipment and it is by faaaaar the best produced song of that decade made all by himself (and while yes, he didn't play horns, he arranged those to perfection).

Fuck man, that song doesn't sound like 1987 at all, it sounds ethernal like no other piece of music during. Adore is the reason he could've retired on top, but he actually released my other favorite song Pink Cashmere a year after(!!!). Maaaaan I love Adore and Pink Cashmere. #1 songs in my top list, can't separate them from the top spot.
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Reply #11 posted 12/04/21 6:58pm

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I danced with my Granny to Venus de Milo at my wedding reception.
"I like to watch."
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Reply #12 posted 12/04/21 7:10pm

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Wolfie87 said:

Yep, Adore is always my pick. Context is key, context is everything. This shit was recorded 1986/1987 on analog equipment and it is by faaaaaaaar the best produced song of that decade made all by himself (and while yes, he didn't play horns, he arranged those to perfection). Fuck man, that song doesn't sound like 1987 at all, it sounds ethernal like no other piece of music during. Adore is the reason he could've retired on top, but he actually released my other favorite song Pink Cashmere a year after(!!!). Maaaaaaaan I love Adore and Pink Cashmere. #1 songs in my top list, can't separate them from the top spot.


There used to be a version of Aguilera's "What A Girl Wants" that had that organic acoustic-guitar pop thing that "Pink Cashmere" does. They replaced it on the album later with a more radio-friendly remix. But it makes me think of the acoustic nature of "Pink Cashmere." Then, when those strings really come in and he solos over them. GOD YES.

If "Adore" were to ever have a near-worthy opponent, it would've been "Pink Cashmere." "Adore" still wins, but it's gonna have to work for it.

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Reply #13 posted 12/04/21 7:11pm

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sulls said:

I danced with my Granny to Venus de Milo at my wedding reception.


I always thought "Venus De Milo" would've been a great prelude to a wedding ceremony, or maybe an outro when everyone walks out. If I get married, I fully plan to use it as the prelude to us walking down the aisle.

"eye don’t really care so much what people say about me because it is a reflection of who they r."
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Reply #14 posted 12/05/21 10:02pm

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It is a great instrumental
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Reply #15 posted 12/06/21 6:36am

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Mr Roger, you would probably like a lot of classical music. Let me provide you with a very long list...


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If you can add value to someone's life then why not. Especially if it colors their days...
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Reply #16 posted 12/06/21 7:14am

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Gorgeous song that fits SO well on Parade. Not his best for me, but its up there! I have a rotating top 15 to 20 tunes that I call his best. It shifts constantly cool

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Reply #17 posted 12/06/21 7:35am

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TrivialPursuit said:

sulls said:

I danced with my Granny to Venus de Milo at my wedding reception.


I always thought "Venus De Milo" would've been a great prelude to a wedding ceremony, or maybe an outro when everyone walks out. If I get married, I fully plan to use it as the prelude to us walking down the aisle.

We had Venus playing on a loop whilst the guests were coming in, prior to our service.

RIP sad
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Reply #18 posted 12/06/21 7:35am

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God, my head. The song is ok, but kinda wall paper. Under The Cherry Moon is betta. Even The Most Beautiful Girl is betta.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #19 posted 12/06/21 7:36am

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Ok, it is better than Arms of Orion. lol

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #20 posted 12/06/21 10:07am

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Ok, it is better than Arms of Orion. lol


That's not saying much.
If you take any of this seriously, you're a bigger fool than I am.
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Reply #21 posted 12/06/21 10:16am

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SantanaMaitreya said:

2freaky4church1 said:

Ok, it is better than Arms of Orion. lol

That's not saying much.


Y'all shut up. "The Arms of Orion" is a great song.

"eye don’t really care so much what people say about me because it is a reflection of who they r."
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Reply #22 posted 12/07/21 12:49pm

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It's not a song. There's no singing.
blah blah blah
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Reply #23 posted 12/07/21 1:54pm

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A beautiful track. I think its like an interlude more than anything substantial, and still feels right on Parade's 1st side. Side 2 was pure Prince going at it.

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Reply #24 posted 12/07/21 2:40pm

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Alexa is way better.

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Reply #25 posted 12/07/21 3:13pm

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RogerRoger said:

There I said it.

This song encapsules so much and hits my emotions


Here you go, Mr Roger. Click here COVID-19th Century music Playlist

I see the usual suspects are here to denounce the quality of a totally brilliant P song.


The world's problems like climate change can only be solved through strategic long-term thinking, not expediency. In other words all the govts. need sacking!

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Reply #26 posted 12/07/21 3:56pm

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Wolfie87 said:

Yep, Adore is always my pick. Context is key, context is everything. This shit was recorded 1986/1987 on analog equipment and it is by faaaaaaaar the best produced song of that decade made all by himself (and while yes, he didn't play horns, he arranged those to perfection). Fuck man, that song doesn't sound like 1987 at all, it sounds ethernal like no other piece of music during. Adore is the reason he could've retired on top, but he actually released my other favorite song Pink Cashmere a year after(!!!). Maaaaaaaan I love Adore and Pink Cashmere. #1 songs in my top list, can't separate them from the top spot. [Edited 12/4/21 14:34pm]


Adore and Pink Cashmere were recorded 1.5 years apart. And you can tell. Both brilliant songs, but for me Pink Cashmere has a production sheen that Adore doesn't. Adore kinda sounds a bit like it was recorded behind a door, like the rest of Sign album. Adore by 'a door'. razz

This shouldn't come as much surprise. You can tell Lovesexy album was recorded at Paisley Park. Likewise Pink Cashmere. The whole Sign 'o' the Times project was recorded before Paisley Park came online.


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Reply #27 posted 12/09/21 5:24pm

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I hired a string trio for my wedding and sent them a cd of it to learn for when wifey walked down the vineyard aisle.

On the day, they played something else.

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If the milk turns out to be sour, I aint the kinda pussy to drink it!
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Reply #28 posted 12/09/21 5:48pm

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No, it ain't. lol

"Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything." --Plato

https://youtu.be/CVwv9LZMah0
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Reply #29 posted 12/10/21 12:36pm

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TrivialPursuit said:



SantanaMaitreya said:


2freaky4church1 said:

Ok, it is better than Arms of Orion. lol



That's not saying much.


Y'all shut up. "The Arms of Orion" is a great song.


No, it isn't. The first two songs on the Batman album are great, good old dance and rock and this hits you... The first time that Prince did something that was total kitsch. A brunch of clichés. The album never recovered. Not even Vicki Waiting or Partyman could save it. And on later albums we got songs like Graffiti Bridge and Diamonds and Pearls. I would even go so far as to say that Arms of Orion was the beginning of the end of Prince as an innovating, interesting and creative songwriter and started a long line of boring unoriginal ballads.
Yes, I'm overreacting of course, but it shows how much of a disappointment this song was. I was like, is this really Prince? The guy I love so much because he doesn't o commercial shit?
If you take any of this seriously, you're a bigger fool than I am.
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