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funkbabyandthe
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princes best 90s/00s rock songs

Tougher than you might think

I go for -

Dolphin
Holy river
The love we make
One of us
Shhhh
Papa
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Reply #1 posted 10/02/21 4:15pm

EmmaMcG

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Dreamer (bullshit lyrics aside)
Fury
Cinnamon Girl
Interactive
Endorphinmachine



I've put zero thought into this and just named 5 songs off the top of my head that I like. There are more than likely others.
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Reply #2 posted 10/02/21 6:58pm

laytonian

Dolphin
319
Endorphinmachine
7

Cinnamon Girl

Papa

Loose!

Pheromone

Laydown

Guitar

Beginning Endlessly

FUNKNROLL

Da Bang

Calhoun Square

Strays of the World (someone has to like it)

The Same December

Get Yo Groove On
Face Down
Sleep Around
Screwdriver
RockNRoll Love Affair

Another Love

MARZ

Planet Earth

We Can Funk

Shake!

Well...you did ask.

Welcome to "the org", laytonian… come bathe with me.
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Reply #3 posted 10/02/21 8:31pm

siriusfunk

Peach
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Reply #4 posted 10/02/21 11:50pm

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I Like it There
If you take any of this seriously, you're a bigger tool than I am.
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Reply #5 posted 10/03/21 4:05am

funkbabyandthe
babysitters

laytonian said:

Dolphin
319
Endorphinmachine
7

Cinnamon Girl

Papa

Loose!

Pheromone

Laydown

Guitar

Beginning Endlessly

FUNKNROLL

Da Bang

Calhoun Square

Strays of the World (someone has to like it)

The Same December

Get Yo Groove On
Face Down
Sleep Around
Screwdriver
RockNRoll Love Affair

Another Love

MARZ

Planet Earth

We Can Funk

Shake!

Well...you did ask.

da bang is a great one.

but get yo groove on and sleep around are rock songs?

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Reply #6 posted 10/03/21 2:22pm

WhisperingDand
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funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

laytonian said:

Dolphin
319
Endorphinmachine
7

Cinnamon Girl

Papa

Loose!

Pheromone

Laydown

Guitar

Beginning Endlessly

FUNKNROLL

Da Bang

Calhoun Square

Strays of the World (someone has to like it)

The Same December

Get Yo Groove On
Face Down
Sleep Around
Screwdriver
RockNRoll Love Affair

Another Love

MARZ

Planet Earth

We Can Funk

Shake!

Well...you did ask.

da bang is a great one.

but get yo groove on and sleep around are rock songs?

Half of those tracks aren't, but neither is "Shhh" or "Holy River" really.

"Shhhh" is a slow jam like "Loose!" is techno, they both just have prominent guitar solos.

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Reply #7 posted 10/03/21 2:24pm

WhisperingDand
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"Rock ‘N’ Roll Is Alive! (And It Lives In Minneapolis)"

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Reply #8 posted 10/03/21 3:41pm

funkbabyandthe
babysitters

WhisperingDandelions said:

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

da bang is a great one.

but get yo groove on and sleep around are rock songs?

Half of those tracks aren't, but neither is "Shhh" or "Holy River" really.

"Shhhh" is a slow jam like "Loose!" is techno, they both just have prominent guitar solos.

shhh is more complicated as it has all those big dramatic breaks which are like jazz-rock fusion, even if the main body of the song is a slow jam

holy river is def a pop rock song

just cos its not all guitars blazing, its def still very much a rock song id say

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Reply #9 posted 10/03/21 9:16pm

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Sleep Around ,Get Your Groove On and Face Down are not rock at all. My pick is I Like It There,Chaos And Disorder,Dolphin,Endorphin Machine,Interactive,CInnamon Girl,Another Love ,A Million Days...
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Reply #10 posted 10/04/21 5:25pm

CAL3

Endorphinmachine

Dolphin

Chaos and Disorder

I like it there

The Same December

Right the Wrong

Zannalee

Da Bang

Strays of the World

Damned if eye do

Planet Earth

Boom

Wall of Berlin

I’ve been informed that my opinion is worth less than those expressed by others here.
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Reply #11 posted 10/07/21 7:28am

26ten

Elephants and Flowers
Joy In Repetition
Live 4 Love
Loose
So Far So Pleased
Fury
Colonized Mind

I know I'm likely missing a lot - but I've often thought Prince had a sort of, ahem, strange relationship with rock music. I don't personally feel as though he really modernized and completed his views and styles of rock.

I have often thought that had he ever gotten into more punk, of the hard-core variety mostly, that he could have seriously strengthened his sound for most of the listeners who couldn't get it. The independent and alternative rock explosions of the early 90s could have been a really interesting mixture with his sound in a tougher and non-pretentious way.

I don't know if P ever listened to Soundgarden or Nirvana or not but if he had I think influences of those kind would have been interesting - and critically less derided.
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Reply #12 posted 10/07/21 3:36pm

emesem

EmmaMcG said:

Dreamer (bullshit lyrics aside) Fury Cinnamon Girl Interactive Endorphinmachine I've put zero thought into this and just named 5 songs off the top of my head that I like. There are more than likely others.

Curious, whats "bullshit" about Dreamer?

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Reply #13 posted 10/07/21 4:25pm

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Endorphinmachine
319
Zannalee
Fury
Dreamer
Hardrock Lover



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Reply #14 posted 10/07/21 4:30pm

LoveGalore

26ten said:

Elephants and Flowers
Joy In Repetition
Live 4 Love
Loose
So Far So Pleased
Fury
Colonized Mind

I know I'm likely missing a lot - but I've often thought Prince had a sort of, ahem, strange relationship with rock music. I don't personally feel as though he really modernized and completed his views and styles of rock.

I have often thought that had he ever gotten into more punk, of the hard-core variety mostly, that he could have seriously strengthened his sound for most of the listeners who couldn't get it. The independent and alternative rock explosions of the early 90s could have been a really interesting mixture with his sound in a tougher and non-pretentious way.

I don't know if P ever listened to Soundgarden or Nirvana or not but if he had I think influences of those kind would have been interesting - and critically less derided.


Loose is not a rock song, people. Hello?
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Reply #15 posted 10/07/21 4:42pm

TheKid94

WOW

Marz

Colonized Mind

Dreamer

The One U Wanna C

Fury

Cinnamon Girl

The Marrying Kind

I Like It There

Zannalee

C&D

The Same December

Endorphinmachine

Dolphin

prince
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Reply #16 posted 10/07/21 4:53pm

WhisperingDand
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26ten said:

Elephants and Flowers Joy In Repetition Live 4 Love Loose So Far So Pleased Fury Colonized Mind I know I'm likely missing a lot - but I've often thought Prince had a sort of, ahem, strange relationship with rock music. I don't personally feel as though he really modernized and completed his views and styles of rock. I have often thought that had he ever gotten into more punk, of the hard-core variety mostly, that he could have seriously strengthened his sound for most of the listeners who couldn't get it. The independent and alternative rock explosions of the early 90s could have been a really interesting mixture with his sound in a tougher and non-pretentious way. I don't know if P ever listened to Soundgarden or Nirvana or not but if he had I think influences of those kind would have been interesting - and critically less derided.

Yeah his R&B or Funk influences, for instance, were clearly about taking the parts he loved and progressing the genres to the next level, whereas the Rock stuff is very steeped in 70s/early 80s conceptions of rock, even into the 90s and 00s.

He did apparently like NIN which could maybe better explain "Loose" or even an "Ain't No Place Like You".

[Edited 10/7/21 16:55pm]

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Reply #17 posted 10/07/21 6:05pm

26ten

LoveGalore said:

26ten said:

Elephants and Flowers
Joy In Repetition
Live 4 Love
Loose
So Far So Pleased
Fury
Colonized Mind

I know I'm likely missing a lot - but I've often thought Prince had a sort of, ahem, strange relationship with rock music. I don't personally feel as though he really modernized and completed his views and styles of rock.

I have often thought that had he ever gotten into more punk, of the hard-core variety mostly, that he could have seriously strengthened his sound for most of the listeners who couldn't get it. The independent and alternative rock explosions of the early 90s could have been a really interesting mixture with his sound in a tougher and non-pretentious way.

I don't know if P ever listened to Soundgarden or Nirvana or not but if he had I think influences of those kind would have been interesting - and critically less derided.


Loose is not a rock song, people. Hello?


Yes it is!

There is a rock guitar solo in it even? It's pretty clearly a take on the then burgeoning industrial rock of the time. NIN, Ministry, Marilyn Manson, etc. These, and the song Loose, are absolutely rock.
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Reply #18 posted 10/07/21 6:08pm

26ten

WhisperingDandelions said:



26ten said:


Elephants and Flowers Joy In Repetition Live 4 Love Loose So Far So Pleased Fury Colonized Mind I know I'm likely missing a lot - but I've often thought Prince had a sort of, ahem, strange relationship with rock music. I don't personally feel as though he really modernized and completed his views and styles of rock. I have often thought that had he ever gotten into more punk, of the hard-core variety mostly, that he could have seriously strengthened his sound for most of the listeners who couldn't get it. The independent and alternative rock explosions of the early 90s could have been a really interesting mixture with his sound in a tougher and non-pretentious way. I don't know if P ever listened to Soundgarden or Nirvana or not but if he had I think influences of those kind would have been interesting - and critically less derided.

Yeah his R&B or Funk influences, for instance, were clearly about taking the parts he loved and progressing the genres to the next level, whereas the Rock stuff is very steeped in 70s/early 80s conceptions of rock, even into the 90s and 00s.

He did apparently like NIN which could maybe better explain "Loose" or even an "Ain't No Place Like You".


[Edited 10/7/21 16:55pm]



Nice! Yep yep! 100% on this. It's... I mean idk I guess having grown up in the 90s it's fairly obvious but without hearing all the industrial rock bands then I could see how someone might not know (those bands multiplied like rabbits later in the decade and early 2000s haha).
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Reply #19 posted 10/07/21 9:58pm

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It's not true that Prince didn't know punk.Early Prince was punk b4 the glamour stepped in.Check live versions of Annie Christian or 1982 re arrangment of Bambi.Prince was also checking punk bands in the local Mpls club.a guy who did song for one of the Rocky movies The Heat Is On ,his name escapes me ,i think he was a bass player for Plasmatics at certain point.he said Prince went to see the band in Mpls rock club i think it was called The Sams or something like that.Prince also performed there.also Prince's 90s rock showcase that he indeed was listening whats going on on alternative rock scene.Maybe Prince loved 70s hard rock the most but his ears and eyes were cleary open to the changes amd new tendencies of rock music.he even did some of the 80s heavy metal with MC Flash.
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Reply #20 posted 10/08/21 4:42am

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thebanishedone said:

It's not true that Prince didn't know punk.


True dat.

The Colors R brighter, the Bond is much tighter
No Child's a failure
Until the Blue Sailboat sails him away from his dreams
Don't Ever Lose, Don't Ever Lose
Don't Ever Lose Your Dreams
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Reply #21 posted 10/08/21 4:54am

LoveGalore

26ten said:

LoveGalore said:



Loose is not a rock song, people. Hello?


Yes it is!

There is a rock guitar solo in it even? It's pretty clearly a take on the then burgeoning industrial rock of the time. NIN, Ministry, Marilyn Manson, etc. These, and the song Loose, are absolutely rock.


Loose is an attempt at techno, one he refined a bit later with New World and Human Body.

A guitar solo doesn't make it a rock song. And he wasn't competing with Manson in 1993. You could say he took, uh, inspiration from NIN maybe given the hype around Pretty Hate Machine was that Trent envisioned it as a "dark" side of 1999.
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Reply #22 posted 10/08/21 4:15pm

alphastreet

Gold comes to mind
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emesem said:



EmmaMcG said:


Dreamer (bullshit lyrics aside) Fury Cinnamon Girl Interactive Endorphinmachine I've put zero thought into this and just named 5 songs off the top of my head that I like. There are more than likely others.



Curious, whats "bullshit" about Dreamer?



The dopey conspiracy theory lyrics about chemtrails. Makes him come across like some sort of headcase.
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Reply #24 posted 10/08/21 5:12pm

26ten

LoveGalore said:

26ten said:



Yes it is!

There is a rock guitar solo in it even? It's pretty clearly a take on the then burgeoning industrial rock of the time. NIN, Ministry, Marilyn Manson, etc. These, and the song Loose, are absolutely rock.


Loose is an attempt at techno, one he refined a bit later with New World and Human Body.

A guitar solo doesn't make it a rock song. And he wasn't competing with Manson in 1993. You could say he took, uh, inspiration from NIN maybe given the hype around Pretty Hate Machine was that Trent envisioned it as a "dark" side of 1999.


That is a *rock guitar* solo pretty clearly - and you're sort of conceding the point by saying he is (again very obviously) taking inspiration from the leading industrial rock group of the time. I'm not really into semantics games here but someone viewing Loose as industrial rock is really not too controversial of an opinion, as you basically admit here. Also the songs you cited that he did later are quite different from Loose.

+ yes in many ways he absolutely was competing with Marilyn Manson and any other shocking upstarts of the 90s and later.

His entire 90s era was basically him trying to figure out how to remain relevant in a different time than the 80s, and songs like Loose show how aware he was of those shifting trends. It's the same reason he employed rap influences despite his frustration with it initially.
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Reply #25 posted 10/08/21 5:16pm

LoveGalore

26ten said:

LoveGalore said:



Loose is an attempt at techno, one he refined a bit later with New World and Human Body.

A guitar solo doesn't make it a rock song. And he wasn't competing with Manson in 1993. You could say he took, uh, inspiration from NIN maybe given the hype around Pretty Hate Machine was that Trent envisioned it as a "dark" side of 1999.


That is a *rock guitar* solo pretty clearly - and you're sort of conceding the point by saying he is (again very obviously) taking inspiration from the leading industrial rock group of the time. I'm not really into semantics games here but someone viewing Loose as industrial rock is really not too controversial of an opinion, as you basically admit here. Also the songs you cited that he did later are quite different from Loose.

+ yes in many ways he absolutely was competing with Marilyn Manson and any other shocking upstarts of the 90s and later.

His entire 90s era was basically him trying to figure out how to remain relevant in a different time than the 80s, and songs like Loose show how aware he was of those shifting trends. It's the same reason he employed rap influences despite his frustration with it initially.



Marilyn Manson didn't release their first album until 2 years after Loose! was recorded. It's definitely not a rock song though. Call it industrial if you must.
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Reply #26 posted 10/08/21 6:58pm

26ten

thebanishedone said:

It's not true that Prince didn't know punk.Early Prince was punk b4 the glamour stepped in.Check live versions of Annie Christian or 1982 re arrangment of Bambi.Prince was also checking punk bands in the local Mpls club.a guy who did song for one of the Rocky movies The Heat Is On ,his name escapes me ,i think he was a bass player for Plasmatics at certain point.he said Prince went to see the band in Mpls rock club i think it was called The Sams or something like that.Prince also performed there.also Prince's 90s rock showcase that he indeed was listening whats going on on alternative rock scene.Maybe Prince loved 70s hard rock the most but his ears and eyes were cleary open to the changes amd new tendencies of rock music.he even did some of the 80s heavy metal with MC Flash.


Oh certainly he was aware of punk, but he didn't utilize it as an influence much - and the example I can think of like the original version of Tick Tick Bang - it makes me feel like there was a whole lot of stuff he could have done with it.

I'd love say, like a hardcore punk Prince album like Minor Threat, or Bad Brains. His rock influences didn't seem to get much play other than some 60's and 70's stuff.

+ rock when through a smart and more honest upgrade in the 90's and his type of rock influences were just not cutting edge at that point, and I think that hurt him commercially. In the 80's he was so transgressive that it was way beyond his peers, but 10 years later, in part because of him, most rock was just harder and freakier.

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26ten

LoveGalore said:

26ten said:
That is a *rock guitar* solo pretty clearly - and you're sort of conceding the point by saying he is (again very obviously) taking inspiration from the leading industrial rock group of the time. I'm not really into semantics games here but someone viewing Loose as industrial rock is really not too controversial of an opinion, as you basically admit here. Also the songs you cited that he did later are quite different from Loose. + yes in many ways he absolutely was competing with Marilyn Manson and any other shocking upstarts of the 90s and later. His entire 90s era was basically him trying to figure out how to remain relevant in a different time than the 80s, and songs like Loose show how aware he was of those shifting trends. It's the same reason he employed rap influences despite his frustration with it initially.
Marilyn Manson didn't release their first album until 2 years after Loose! was recorded. It's definitely not a rock song though. Call it industrial if you must.


That is basically semantics again, but it's cool.

But -

Marilytn Manson started in 1989.

They caught the eye of Trent Reznor in 93, and then they completed that debut in 1994 - but they didn't start there.

Also - Loose was recorded between 1993 and 1994.

But that's all I got.

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Reply #28 posted 10/09/21 12:06am

funkbabyandthe
babysitters

Prince was never gonna do a DC hardcore or punk project really

He never did music that hard

He usually always tempered it a bit

He was less interested in what was happening in rock after the 80s

Which is why he lost his edge as an innovator in a sense as in.the 80s he was listening to everything

In the 90s and esp the 00s he was retreating into his own older influences and more rnb and rap influences even if he did try to keep up with dance music a little bit. But I think that happens to everyone, you vajt he totally in sync forever
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Reply #29 posted 10/09/21 12:32am

26ten

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

Prince was never gonna do a DC hardcore or punk project really

He never did music that hard

He usually always tempered it a bit

He was less interested in what was happening in rock after the 80s

Which is why he lost his edge as an innovator in a sense as in.the 80s he was listening to everything

In the 90s and esp the 00s he was retreating into his own older influences and more rnb and rap influences even if he did try to keep up with dance music a little bit. But I think that happens to everyone, you vajt he totally in sync forever


I agree with you on that fully.

He continued to make incredible music regardless - but I'd have loved to hear his music from a parallel timeline. I guess it just means there is still not enough Prince music out there, which sound absurdly greedy of me.
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