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Reply #90 posted 10/14/21 10:07am

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funkman88 said:

TrivialPursuit said:


That's the fucking answer right there.

no we will all be long dead


That wasn't the question. The question is will Prince matter in 30 years? Not matter to us but rather matter in the landscape of music. The answer is a resounding yes. Graycap's answer pointed out that music will always matter, therefore Prince will always matter. The same way Mozart, Aretha, Ella, etc. matter.

And in 30 years, I'll be 83, and quite plan on being alive. Maybe you're older and will be dead in 30 years. Godspeed.

"eye don’t really care so much what people say about me because it is a reflection of who they r."
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Reply #91 posted 10/14/21 12:33pm

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LoveGalore said:

Sure. Or not. Whatever. It won't matter to any of us by then.

biggrin razz lol

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Reply #92 posted 10/14/21 12:56pm

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funkman88 said:

Do you think people will still remember him once 90 % of his core audience is dead and gone in 2051?

Yes My Musical Daddy will still be remembered in 2051! haha

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Reply #93 posted 10/15/21 5:26pm

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darkroman said:

A very tiny number of people are ever remembered.

The only reason anyone or anything is remembered is because they are still promoted in some way. How does anyone today know who Jesus Christ, Buddha, Mozart, Aesop, or Shakesphere are? Like The Beatles get a lot more promotion today than Freddie And The Dreamers do. Freddie And The Dreamers don't have Lego sets or action figures like the Fab 4. razz The average person can identify Mickey Mouse or Superman, but not really Deputy Dawg. Classic rock & oldies stations play certain songs, artists, & hits over and over (Freebird, I Will Survive, Stairway To Heaven, You Dropped A Bomb On Me, Journey, Def Leppard, Michael Jackson, Phil Collins, etc.). There's a lot of forgotten hits that don't get played. Going by the local R&B oldies station, you'd think The Isley Brothers were mostly a slow jam group or "Mr. Biggs". lol Songs get put in TV shows, commercials, video games, movies, & Broadway plays. Charlie Brown holiday specials get shown on TV every year during the end of the year. Same for It's A Wonderful Life. Music magazine continue to talk about The Beatles & Jimi Hendrix. That's free promotion.

There's children, teens, & young adults who make reaction videos to oldies on Youtube. The majority of the reaction videos are old hits, they aren't usually reacting to album tracks or obscure songs.

You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton
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Reply #94 posted 10/15/21 7:04pm

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RODSERLING said:


According to serious scientists studies, by 2051, you will be listening to music via a chip in your brain. No more physical format. No more streaming, because that won't be ecological. The charts and sales will be based on the numbers of neurons used during the listening of a song. One sale will be equal to 150 millions neuronal connections. Prince songs are so complicated, that you need to use more neurons to understand it than any other artists in pop music history. Then Prince will rule the charts all over again. So, yes he will matter more than ever, if that's the sense of your question. Now, the real question is : will he still matter in 2086? I'm perplexed. Because by then, human brain would have already been replaced by robotic brain. And I don't know on what will be based charts and sales.

Prince's songs are not complicated. Not by a longshot. Occasionally clever and defintiely more creativly arranged that his simple pop peers, but hardly complicated. The Cross is not complicated, for example. Gett Off is not complicated. The much-loved song Sign 'O' the Times has three chords only and they are the very common i-iv-v progression. The songs of Sting either solo or with the Police are often more complex in terms of musical language and structure. That doesn't make them better because people like what they like and tastes are thus subjective. What YOU mean by "complicated" is closer to something objective and Prince's songs are not that.



As to the original question, he will be remembered more than his peers MUSICALLY. In terms of non-musical aspects Madonna and Michael Jackson might be there with him, but in terms of art he stands pretty tall.



I have no doubt that MJ and Madonna will be remembered both culturally AND musically.
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Reply #95 posted 10/15/21 8:32pm

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funkman88 said:

TrivialPursuit said:



Graycap23 said:


Prince will matter as long as Music matters.....




That's the fucking answer right there.



no we will all be long dead



What kind of doomsday are you expecting?
Time keeps on slipping into the future...


This moment is all there is...
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Reply #96 posted 10/25/21 11:21pm

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darkroman said:

Today I asked a 24 year old kid if he had heard of Prince and the answer was, "no". Remember Prince hadn't had a hit single in over 25 years!!!

Sadly many fans have deified Prince as they don't have a sence of the real work.

Each decade of history has seen celebrities come and go. A very tiny number of people are ever remembered.

Ask yourself how many recording artists or actors do you know from the 1920s or 1930s or even longer before that.

Most people won't know any at all.

Prince will be no different.

My 6 year old knows who Prince is.

FOOLS multiply when WISE Men & Women are silent.
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Reply #97 posted 10/26/21 2:51am

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"Postmortem memory of public figures in news and social media"

https://www.pnas.org/cont...2106152118

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"Who is remembered by society after they die? Although scholars as well as the broader public have speculated about this question since ancient times, we still lack a detailed understanding of the processes at work when a public figure dies and their media image solidifies and is committed to the collective memory. To close this gap, we leverage a comprehensive 5-y dataset of online news and social media posts with millions of documents per day. By tracking mentions of thousands of public figures during the year following their death, we reveal and model the prototypical patterns and biographic correlates of postmortem media attention, as well as systematic differences in how the news vs. social media remember deceased public figures."

[Edited 10/26/21 2:52am]

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Reply #98 posted 10/26/21 7:34am

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Social media (or media in general) is already trying to place Drake above MJ as far as popularity/#1 singles/etc. I personally don't see it (I couldn't name one Drake song if you had a gun to my head), but they're angling for that distinction in the streaming era.

Now - if they're looking to replace MJ with Drake, who's to say they wouldn't try to replace Prince with someone like The Weeknd or Bruno Mars?

I feel that Prince is already more popular than MJ, regardless of sales. There's a "coolness" factor with Prince that seems to just grow with time.

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Reply #99 posted 10/26/21 3:24pm

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Se7en said:

Social media (or media in general) is already trying to place Drake above MJ as far as popularity/#1 singles/etc. I personally don't see it (I couldn't name one Drake song if you had a gun to my head), but they're angling for that distinction in the streaming era.

Now - if they're looking to replace MJ with Drake, who's to say they wouldn't try to replace Prince with someone like The Weeknd or Bruno Mars?

I feel that Prince is already more popular than MJ, regardless of sales. There's a "coolness" factor with Prince that seems to just grow with time.

The only thing I know Drake from is when Madonna stuck her tongue down his throat at one of her concerts and his priceless reaction to it. wink

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Reply #100 posted 10/26/21 3:35pm

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funkman88 said:

TrivialPursuit said:


That's the fucking answer right there.

no we will all be long dead


The part you forget is that you aren't the only one with an opinion. Neither am I. Prince fans always sorta think we're the only fans that know and respect Prince. But alas, that's not true. We gotta remember that part. Prince will matter and live on because he was Prince. Not because we did some due diligence in our lifetime (although it could certainly help).

"eye don’t really care so much what people say about me because it is a reflection of who they r."
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Reply #101 posted 10/27/21 12:16am

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Of course he’ll be, though I feel his biggest 80s hits will be most remembered

Interestingly though, with an entire catalogue availableas a part of a streaming subsciption, and services providing varied playlists for an artist such as Prince, listeners decades from now (or indeed, new listeners) may not see the clear dividing of eras in his career that we do now.

To be sure, those groundbreaking smash hits will continue to be the most popular - but after that, it may be more mixed. And now there is the strange (to me) likelihood of many people hearing alternate versions and tracks that were previously in the vault before they hear classic albums.

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Reply #102 posted 10/29/21 10:36am

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TrivialPursuit said:

funkman88 said:

no we will all be long dead


That wasn't the question. The question is will Prince matter in 30 years? Not matter to us but rather matter in the landscape of music. The answer is a resounding yes. Graycap's answer pointed out that music will always matter, therefore Prince will always matter. The same way Mozart, Aretha, Ella, etc. matter.

And in 30 years, I'll be 83, and quite plan on being alive. Maybe you're older and will be dead in 30 years. Godspeed.

no u will have been dead for 17 years at that time

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Reply #103 posted 10/29/21 7:00pm

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Se7en said:

There's a "coolness" factor with Prince that seems to just grow with time.

Being "cool" never really had anything to do with being popular with the mainstream audience. Kenny G, Barry Manilow, Herb Alpert, Hootie & The Blowfish, Celine Dion, The Carpenters, Phil Collins, Kenny Rogers, etc were not considered "cool". But they were big in their day. Same for the songwriter Diane Warren who has a lot of hits recorded by all kinds of acts.

You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton
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Reply #104 posted 11/01/21 1:39pm

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MickyDolenz said:

Se7en said:

There's a "coolness" factor with Prince that seems to just grow with time.

Being "cool" never really had anything to do with being popular with the mainstream audience. Kenny G, Barry Manilow, Herb Alpert, Hootie & The Blowfish, Celine Dion, The Carpenters, Phil Collins, Kenny Rogers, etc were not considered "cool". But they were big in their day. Same for the songwriter Diane Warren who has a lot of hits recorded by all kinds of acts.


They were popular despite not being cool. But the music industry is very much about who's cool.

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Reply #105 posted 11/01/21 6:18pm

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Se7en said:

They were popular despite not being cool. But the music industry is very much about who's cool.

The younger generations also have "cancel culture" & "cultural appropriation", rather than just someone just being cool. Those ideas are not really new, even if the terms are. They were around long before the inernet existed, but it's more of a widespread mainstream thing now with social media (ig. Lipstick Alley, Twitter, Tumblr, etc) and people making Youtube videos about it. I don't think a song like Ain't Gonna Bump No More by Joe Tex could be a hit today, it probably wouldn't get airplay on current Top 40 radio. Same for a lot of old TV shows & movies. A lot of people today judge old entertainment with current ideals.

You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton
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Reply #106 posted 11/01/21 9:45pm

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MickyDolenz said:



Se7en said:


There's a "coolness" factor with Prince that seems to just grow with time.



Being "cool" never really had anything to do with being popular with the mainstream audience. Kenny G, Barry Manilow, Herb Alpert, Hootie & The Blowfish, Celine Dion, The Carpenters, Phil Collins, Kenny Rogers, etc were not considered "cool". But they were big in their day. Same for the songwriter Diane Warren who has a lot of hits recorded by all kinds of acts.


You really think Hootie and the Blowfish will be a thing in 30 years?
Time keeps on slipping into the future...


This moment is all there is...
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Reply #107 posted 11/01/21 9:58pm

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onlyforaminute said:

You really think Hootie and the Blowfish will be a thing in 30 years?

Darius Rucker has been popular as a solo act on current country radio for several years now. So that extends the bands' popularity. I hear Hootie played today on the local Top 40 oldies station. They were doing a reunion tour before Covid hit. Country music fans tend to be more loyal to their veteran performers more so than say the hip hop audience. Garth Brooks is still popular.

You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton
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Reply #108 posted 11/01/21 10:02pm

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MickyDolenz said:



onlyforaminute said:


You really think Hootie and the Blowfish will be a thing in 30 years?

Darius Rucker has been popular as a solo act on current country radio for several years now. So that extends the bands' popularity. I hear Hootie played today on the local Top 40 oldies station. They were doing a reunion tour before Covid hit. Country music fans tend to be more loyal to their veteran performers more so than say the hip hop audience. Garth Brooks is still popular.


I definitely agree with you about country fans. I'm sure Kenny Rogers will, Celine too.
Time keeps on slipping into the future...


This moment is all there is...
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Reply #109 posted 11/02/21 8:10am

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HE WILL ALWAYS MATTER 4EVER!

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Reply #110 posted 11/03/21 1:40pm

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onlyforaminute said:

I definitely agree with you about country fans. I'm sure Kenny Rogers will, Celine too.

I don't think many people know that Kenny Rogers started out playing bass in a jazz band though razz


You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton
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Reply #111 posted 11/03/21 2:41pm

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Well that's gotta be the fun fact of the year.
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Reply #112 posted 11/03/21 5:44pm

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PJMcGee said:

Well that's gotta be the fun fact of the year.

The only reason I know that is because I read Kenny's autobiography a few years ago.

You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton
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Reply #113 posted 11/09/21 5:14pm

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I will still be alive in 30 years spreading his message. I'm not the only fan who will be doing that. So, yes. Not until the last loudly playing fam dies will it stop mattering.
No matter the ©️, Paisley Park "official can never ™️ prince. He gave that to us verbally on Oprah in 1996. You can't take prince away from us, corporate. I mean O ( + >
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Reply #114 posted 11/10/21 8:21am

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RODSERLING said:

According to serious scientists studies, by 2051, you will be listening to music via a chip in your brain. No more physical format. No more streaming, because that won't be ecological. The charts and sales will be based on the numbers of neurons used during the listening of a song. One sale will be equal to 150 millions neuronal connections. Prince songs are so complicated, that you need to use more neurons to understand it than any other artists in pop music history. Then Prince will rule the charts all over again. So, yes he will matter more than ever, if that's the sense of your question. Now, the real question is : will he still matter in 2086? I'm perplexed. Because by then, human brain would have already been replaced by robotic brain. And I don't know on what will be based charts and sales.

Prince's songs are not complicated. You're thinking of Zappa.

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Reply #115 posted 11/23/21 9:36am

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steakfinger said:

RODSERLING said:

According to serious scientists studies, by 2051, you will be listening to music via a chip in your brain. No more physical format. No more streaming, because that won't be ecological. The charts and sales will be based on the numbers of neurons used during the listening of a song. One sale will be equal to 150 millions neuronal connections. Prince songs are so complicated, that you need to use more neurons to understand it than any other artists in pop music history. Then Prince will rule the charts all over again. So, yes he will matter more than ever, if that's the sense of your question. Now, the real question is : will he still matter in 2086? I'm perplexed. Because by then, human brain would have already been replaced by robotic brain. And I don't know on what will be based charts and sales.

Prince's songs are not complicated. You're thinking of Zappa.

rOGER & zAPP SONGS NOT COMPLICATED!

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Reply #116 posted 11/24/21 10:25am

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funkman88 said:

steakfinger said:

Prince's songs are not complicated. You're thinking of Zappa.

rOGER & zAPP SONGS NOT COMPLICATED!


Roger & Zapp are not Zappa. They are two different artists. Just as Prince and Sly Stone are two different artists even though they both have funny teeth.


The hypocrisy of the far-left is something else.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - this is where all religions fall down.
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