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Reply #30 posted 10/04/21 9:34am

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GustavoRibas said:

Thats a question I have because I live in Brasil, and Prince never had many fans here. How is his legacy doing in the USA right now? Is he respected/talked about as much as Bowie or Freddie Mercury, for example? Or more known in a specific circle, like Earth Wind and Fire and Curtis?

[Edited 10/4/21 9:11am]

He's respected, but not talked about (or respected)in the same category as Bowie or Freddie Mercury. As far as fame is concerned, people revere him, but in regular day life, you don't hear his music as much as you'll hear Bowie or Queen. His influence doesn't reach that far, except for his hardcore audience. Other than Purple Rain and a few other hits, most people are unaware of his musical output.

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Reply #31 posted 10/04/21 9:42am

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Bighead said:

GustavoRibas said:

Thats a question I have because I live in Brasil, and Prince never had many fans here. How is his legacy doing in the USA right now? Is he respected/talked about as much as Bowie or Freddie Mercury, for example? Or more known in a specific circle, like Earth Wind and Fire and Curtis?

[Edited 10/4/21 9:11am]

He's respected, but not talked about (or respected)in the same category as Bowie or Freddie Mercury. As far as fame is concerned, people revere him, but in regular day life, you don't hear his music as much as you'll hear Bowie or Queen. His influence doesn't reach that far, except for his hardcore audience. Other than Purple Rain and a few other hits, most people are unaware of his musical output.

I mean same with Bowie or Queen. You dont really hear their deep cuts on the radio. No one candidly talks about Bowies 90s -2000s albums or Freddie Murcury solo output if at all on an outsiders point of view.

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Reply #32 posted 10/04/21 10:02am

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Bighead said:

He's respected, but not talked about (or respected)in the same category as Bowie or Freddie Mercury. As far as fame is concerned, people revere him, but in regular day life, you don't hear his music as much as you'll hear Bowie or Queen. His influence doesn't reach that far, except for his hardcore audience. Other than Purple Rain and a few other hits, most people are unaware of his musical output.

I mean same with Bowie or Queen. You dont really hear their deep cuts on the radio. No one candidly talks about Bowies 90s -2000s albums or Freddie Murcury solo output if at all on an outsiders point of view.

No, I mean not in the same category as them. His influence does not reach that far, except for his hardcore audience. As much as we like to say, as fans, that he is more than than what he is, he's not in the same category as them.

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Reply #33 posted 10/04/21 10:40am

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Reminds me of a Star Trek Next Gen episode when a guy is talking to the blind Geordi and mentions some famous blind people. (This is a few hundred years in the future.)

"You know, Homer was blind. Milton, Bach, Monet, Wonder."

I like to think that Prince will be remembered in the same way, his name casually grouped with other immortals.
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Reply #34 posted 10/04/21 11:19am

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Bighead said:

paisleypark4 said:

I mean same with Bowie or Queen. You dont really hear their deep cuts on the radio. No one candidly talks about Bowies 90s -2000s albums or Freddie Murcury solo output if at all on an outsiders point of view.

No, I mean not in the same category as them. His influence does not reach that far, except for his hardcore audience. As much as we like to say, as fans, that he is more than than what he is, he's not in the same category as them.

...and we all know why that is.

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Reply #35 posted 10/04/21 11:35am

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funkman88 said:

Do you think people will still remember him once 90 % of his core audience is dead and gone in 2051?

Does Bach? Hendryx? Sammy Davis Jr?

always wondered what is so special about sammy davis jr. ?

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Reply #36 posted 10/04/21 11:43am

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Prince will still matter, but the general public only really cares about Purple Rain. That is the LOOK and SOUND that made Prince a household name. And, it's the album that is featured most on the radio.

But wow . . . 30 years from now. I don't know if I'll be here, but if I am I will still be listening to Prince.


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Reply #37 posted 10/04/21 12:46pm

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The song "Purple Rain" is and always will be legendary.

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Reply #38 posted 10/04/21 1:42pm

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paisleypark4 said:

Bighead said:

He's respected, but not talked about (or respected)in the same category as Bowie or Freddie Mercury. As far as fame is concerned, people revere him, but in regular day life, you don't hear his music as much as you'll hear Bowie or Queen. His influence doesn't reach that far, except for his hardcore audience. Other than Purple Rain and a few other hits, most people are unaware of his musical output.

I mean same with Bowie or Queen. You dont really hear their deep cuts on the radio. No one candidly talks about Bowies 90s -2000s albums or Freddie Murcury solo output if at all on an outsiders point of view.

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- Yeah, I wasnt expecting the deep cuts of Queen and Bowie in the USA, too. But Queen recently had a movie that was a huge hit and I always see Freddie on rock bars, documentaries, etc. Bowie became an ´alternative´ icon, so to speak. So, you always see him being mentioned in alternative movies and app profiles. Comparing to movies, I always see the same people doing references of Kubrick and Tarantino, but rarely Spike Lee.

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And Prince isnt the kind of guy loved in the alternative circle here, and not in the pop circle too. The same people that love Michael Jackson and Madonna dont necessarily like him too. But I know things are better in USA and Europe. Only didnt know how much.


[Edited 10/4/21 13:44pm]

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Reply #39 posted 10/04/21 1:46pm

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rafael said:

paisleypark4 said:

Does Bach? Hendryx? Sammy Davis Jr?

always wondered what is so special about sammy davis jr. ?


He was basically a black Sinatra who could tapdance, impersonate others' singing, tell jokes. But most importantly, he was a great vocalist.


The hypocrisy of the far-left is something else.

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Reply #40 posted 10/04/21 1:58pm

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fortuneandserendipity said:

rafael said:

always wondered what is so special about sammy davis jr. ?


He was basically a black Sinatra who could tapdance, impersonate others' singing, tell jokes. But most importantly, he was a great vocalist.


And he was a great drummer and keyboardist CHECK IT OUT :
https://www.youtube.com/w...R_xdZbMQiw

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Reply #41 posted 10/04/21 4:11pm

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GustavoRibas said:

Thats a question I have because I live in Brasil, and Prince never had many fans here. How is his legacy doing in the USA right now? Is he respected/talked about as much as Bowie or Freddie Mercury, for example? Or more known in a specific circle, like Earth Wind and Fire and Curtis?

[Edited 10/4/21 9:11am]


Yes. After he died, all of a sudden everyone was singing his praises. Happens a lot actually.

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Reply #42 posted 10/04/21 4:21pm

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nayroo2002 said:

The song "Purple Rain" is and always will be legendary.


Yes, but will it matter in 30 years? That's not long in the future. It could matter. But in 50 years or 100? Probably not as much. It's going to be an overplayed song (even more than now) in the echelon of things like "Stairway to Heaven," "American Pie," and the like.

We forget that there are going to be another million songs recorded and released in the next 50 years. Things like "Purple Rain" will have a smaller and smaller fan base. It won't totally disappear, and who knows - in 100 years people may scoff at it and wonder how anyone thought that was something to talk about. Who knows.

Some of Mozart and Beethoven's stuff was considered controversial or legendary during his lifetime and in ensuing decades, but 200+ years later? It seems rather tame.

"eye don’t really care so much what people say about me because it is a reflection of who they r."
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Reply #43 posted 10/04/21 4:31pm

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TrivialPursuit said:

nayroo2002 said:

The song "Purple Rain" is and always will be legendary.


Yes, but will it matter in 30 years? That's not long in the future. It could matter. But in 50 years or 100? Probably not as much. It's going to be an overplayed song (even more than now) in the echelon of things like "Stairway to Heaven," "American Pie," and the like.

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- I believe Purple Rain will be still considered one of the pop/rock classics. My question is how much prestige Prince will have. If people will still talk about him, cover his music, etc.

[Edited 10/4/21 16:32pm]

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Reply #44 posted 10/04/21 4:49pm

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GustavoRibas said:

- I believe "Purple Rain" will be still considered one of the pop/rock classics. My question is how much prestige Prince will have. If people will still talk about him, cover his music, etc.


Fair question, and I think probably so. There's just so much fucking material, how can someone not find a song by him and cover it?

"eye don’t really care so much what people say about me because it is a reflection of who they r."
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Reply #45 posted 10/04/21 6:17pm

williamb610

OFFICIAL WORD FROM THE PRINCE FAMILY...OF WHICH I AM A PART...SERIOUSLY(I know you're NOT, BUT I AM)...

He has 20,152 songs...Unreleased!

So...It will take you, a song a day to absorb and listen/drink in what he composed...

20,152 days...which is 60 years!

If you listen to...say...10 songs a day...that's 2015.2 days, which is HEY...DANG NEAR 7 YEARS...His lucky number...born on the 7th!

So...OFFICIAL WORD FROM HIPNOTIK!

Now...getting to listen to his music...now that's a different story...particularly if you're racist or...

This year...990+ songs for the United States of Afrika and Afrika(the homeland)...only the sexy(straight) people!

Next year 10 songs by March or so...and then...NO NEW VAULT SONGS UNTIL...2023 FOR THE U.S. OF AFRIKA and Afrika(the Homeland) by the Ethiopian Ocean!

This is a message allowed by the United States Of Afrika Protectorate...which is a WORLD PROTECTORATE!

You Ain't!

You Can't!

hIPNoTK

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Reply #46 posted 10/04/21 7:02pm

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GustavoRibas said:

Thats a question I have because I live in Brasil, and Prince never had many fans here. How is his legacy doing in the USA right now? Is he respected/talked about as much as Bowie or Freddie Mercury, for example? Or more known in a specific circle, like Earth Wind and Fire and Curtis?

[Edited 10/4/21 9:11am]



Brazilian fam here!
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Reply #47 posted 10/05/21 1:01pm

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TrivialPursuit said:

nayroo2002 said:

The song "Purple Rain" is and always will be legendary.


Yes, but will it matter in 30 years? That's not long in the future. It could matter. But in 50 years or 100? Probably not as much. It's going to be an overplayed song (even more than now) in the echelon of things like "Stairway to Heaven," "American Pie," and the like.

We forget that there are going to be another million songs recorded and released in the next 50 years. Things like "Purple Rain" will have a smaller and smaller fan base. It won't totally disappear, and who knows - in 100 years people may scoff at it and wonder how anyone thought that was something to talk about. Who knows.

Some of Mozart and Beethoven's stuff was considered controversial or legendary during his lifetime and in ensuing decades, but 200+ years later? It seems rather tame.


I recently watched the MTV VMA's, and I was shocked at how very little talent is actually in today's music. I know every older generation says that, but I do really think today's music is absolute garbage. Maybe it's just the pop and hip-hop stuff.

So you mentioned that a million songs might be recorded before 2051, but will they be good or memorable?

Will anything match the level of The Beatles, U2, Prince, MJ, Madonna, or even Van Halen, Nirvana, Green Day, etc.?

You're telling me that acts like Machine Gun Kelly, Drake and Nicky Minaj are somehow going to erase Prince from memory? I think the opposite is true. People will seek out older (better) music.

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Reply #48 posted 10/05/21 1:36pm

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fernandomachado said:

GustavoRibas said:

Thats a question I have because I live in Brasil, and Prince never had many fans here. How is his legacy doing in the USA right now? Is he respected/talked about as much as Bowie or Freddie Mercury, for example? Or more known in a specific circle, like Earth Wind and Fire and Curtis?

[Edited 10/4/21 9:11am]

Brazilian fam here!

COOL! It´s something rare!

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Reply #49 posted 10/05/21 2:21pm

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Se7en said:

I recently watched the MTV VMA's, and I was shocked at how very little talent is actually in today's music. I know every older generation says that, but I do really think today's music is absolute garbage. Maybe it's just the pop and hip-hop stuff.

So you mentioned that a million songs might be recorded before 2051, but will they be good or memorable?

Will anything match the level of The Beatles, U2, Prince, MJ, Madonna, or even Van Halen, Nirvana, Green Day, etc.?

You're telling me that acts like Machine Gun Kelly, Drake and Nicky Minaj are somehow going to erase Prince from memory? I think the opposite is true. People will seek out older (better) music.


I mean, a million was just a word. I don't know how many other songs will be recorded in 30 years, but it's fesible, I suppose. My point was that at some point, there is going to be just as much music after Prince as there was before Prince. The scales tip at that point. (did I just use "point" 3 times?) Those songs could be good, could be memorable. Of course there isn't going to be another Prince. But there can be great songs, just as great as Prince's music.

Folks would've said that about Earth Wind & Fire, or Commodores. "Oh, there'll never be anything better than this." Then Prince came along and tore it up. So - will there be another to tear it up like Prince? Sure. But will they be like Prince? Nope. It's all perspective, of course.

And of course nothing is going to match bands or people that changed the course of music. The acts you named have certainly cemented their place in history. Springsteen, U2, Madonna, MJ, Elvis, The Beatles, Nirvana, Pearl Jam, god, there's a list, ain't there?

People like MJK, Drake, Nicki, and all these flash-in-the-pans are more hype than talent. And hype dies out (points to leg warmers). The talent lasts forever. And that's something that makes me feel better about Prince's legacy. The talent will always be sought out and found.

In thirty years, someone that is 18 is going to find Purple Rain or Sign O The Times, having heard about this near-mythical musician that their grandparents adored, and listen to one of those records, and boom.

Their whole world is forever changed.


"eye don’t really care so much what people say about me because it is a reflection of who they r."
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Reply #50 posted 10/05/21 7:46pm

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Like Mozart, Prince will matter over a hundred of years from now
"Just like the sun, the Rainbow Children rise."

"Am I black or white? Am I straight or gay?"

"We had fun, didn't we?"
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Reply #51 posted 10/06/21 3:21am

Vannormal

williamb610 said:

OFFICIAL WORD FROM THE PRINCE FAMILY...OF WHICH I AM A PART...SERIOUSLY(I know you're NOT, BUT I AM)...

He has 20,152 songs...Unreleased!

So...It will take you, a song a day to absorb and listen/drink in what he composed...

20,152 days...which is 60 years!

If you listen to...say...10 songs a day...that's 2015.2 days, which is HEY...DANG NEAR 7 YEARS...His lucky number...born on the 7th!

So...OFFICIAL WORD FROM HIPNOTIK!

Now...getting to listen to his music...now that's a different story...particularly if you're racist or...

This year...990+ songs for the United States of Afrika and Afrika(the homeland)...only the sexy(straight) people!

Next year 10 songs by March or so...and then...NO NEW VAULT SONGS UNTIL...2023 FOR THE U.S. OF AFRIKA and Afrika(the Homeland) by the Ethiopian Ocean!

This is a message allowed by the United States Of Afrika Protectorate...which is a WORLD PROTECTORATE!

You Ain't!

You Can't!

hIPNoTK

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"particularly if you're a racist - only the (sexy) straight people"

I just leave this here.

-

Then,

20,152 songs...

source ?

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And wiser people so full of doubts"
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Reply #52 posted 10/06/21 8:21am

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Se7en said:

TrivialPursuit said:


Yes, but will it matter in 30 years? That's not long in the future. It could matter. But in 50 years or 100? Probably not as much. It's going to be an overplayed song (even more than now) in the echelon of things like "Stairway to Heaven," "American Pie," and the like.

We forget that there are going to be another million songs recorded and released in the next 50 years. Things like "Purple Rain" will have a smaller and smaller fan base. It won't totally disappear, and who knows - in 100 years people may scoff at it and wonder how anyone thought that was something to talk about. Who knows.

Some of Mozart and Beethoven's stuff was considered controversial or legendary during his lifetime and in ensuing decades, but 200+ years later? It seems rather tame.


I recently watched the MTV VMA's, and I was shocked at how very little talent is actually in today's music. I know every older generation says that, but I do really think today's music is absolute garbage.

It's not, there's a gazillion talented new acts, you just need to take a little time to find them (I take about half an hour every week to quickly check the new releases, and I discover amazing stuff all the time). I saw recently that streaming services did some studies, and that they show that people stop listening to new things altogether between 30 and 40, rehashing the same old stuff for the rest of their life. It's up to each of us to decide not to do that, but if you don't, don't blame the artists.

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Maybe it's just the pop and hip-hop stuff.

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That I wouldn't know, because I lost touch with what was popular in the charts and MTV Music Awards kind of ceremonies 2 decades ago, but judging music by what's the most popular is never a good idea. It was already mostly shit in our youth: if you remember the charts and radio at the time, it was always a mixed bag of the occasional talent and a lot of garbage. It's just that we remembered the good stuff and quicky forgot all the crap, which is just survivorship bias (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivorship_bias).

So you mentioned that a million songs might be recorded before 2051, but will they be good or memorable?
Will anything match the level of The Beatles, U2, Prince, MJ, Madonna, or even Van Halen, Nirvana, Green Day, etc.?
You're telling me that acts like Machine Gun Kelly, Drake and Nicky Minaj are somehow going to erase Prince from memory? I think the opposite is true. People will seek out older (better) music.

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I honestly have no idea who will leave a mark nor why, but we can't really compare the music industry of today with what it was between the 60's and the rise of the Internet.

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A rock critic explained that very well in an interview - and that was already 5 or 6 years ago!! He said that back when he began in the 80's and up to the late 90's, if you'd meet anyone who was at least a little hip musically, and exchanged about what your favorite new acts of the moment were, it wouldn't take 10 names before the other person would say "oh yes, I know them!!". But today, when he meets people, even other music critics (!), he and them can both go on naming 50 new acts before they find one in common.

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He added that it comes from the fact that:

1/ More music is released than ever before.

2/ All of it is equally accessible for everyone, so now you can just look for what you like in your own niche online. In the past, you depended on your local radios, TV, the music mags you read, your local record stores and your friends to discover stuff, so the hype played a great part in discovering new talent besides mass media marketing. But today it's just mass media marketing and, due to sales dropping, major labels focus on much fewer artists than they used to and, obviously, they won't necessarily bet on the most innovative or sophisticated ones, because they want to play it safe.

So, he said, it's much harder for a new talent to make a strong impression on a mass audience today than before the Internet.

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To that, I'd add that throughout the second half of the 20th century, music went through a quick series of esthetic revolutions, that were strongly connected to 1/ massive sociological changes that happened at a faster pace than ever before, required new trends all the time and allowed artists (not just in music) more creative freedom than ever before, and 2/ fast technological progress (electric guitars and bass -> studio tinkering -> synthesizers -> drum machines -> sequencers and samplers -> computers) that allowed new esthetics to emerge all the time.

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About 2 decades ago, technical innovation has reached a certain peak and so many ideas have been exhausted anyway that, inevitably, things have slowed down a bit. Besides, kids are also probably less in need to break with their parents' generation and use music as an identity marker than baby boomers and Xers. So it's less likely, maybe, to see new artists innovate as much, and become as historically important as their peers from 40 years ago, but artists themselves have very little to do with that.

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It's just that its much harder to drastically innovate today than it was when we were young, and that the way music is distributed and consumed is totally different from what it was. Which young artists from today will leave a mark? I have no clue, but it'll be interesting to observe if we live old enough. Either way, both the "today's music sucks" and the "artists today aren't half as talented as before" arguments are basically fundamental attribution errors (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamental_attribution_error), blaming the artists when the problem comes from changes in the listener himself, the historical context and the distribution model as a whole.

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[Edited 10/6/21 14:57pm]

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Reply #53 posted 10/06/21 8:24am

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Vannormal said:

williamb610 said:

OFFICIAL WORD FROM THE PRINCE FAMILY...OF WHICH I AM A PART...SERIOUSLY(I know you're NOT, BUT I AM)...

He has 20,152 songs...Unreleased!

So...It will take you, a song a day to absorb and listen/drink in what he composed...

20,152 days...which is 60 years!

If you listen to...say...10 songs a day...that's 2015.2 days, which is HEY...DANG NEAR 7 YEARS...His lucky number...born on the 7th!

So...OFFICIAL WORD FROM HIPNOTIK!

Now...getting to listen to his music...now that's a different story...particularly if you're racist or...

This year...990+ songs for the United States of Afrika and Afrika(the homeland)...only the sexy(straight) people!

Next year 10 songs by March or so...and then...NO NEW VAULT SONGS UNTIL...2023 FOR THE U.S. OF AFRIKA and Afrika(the Homeland) by the Ethiopian Ocean!

This is a message allowed by the United States Of Afrika Protectorate...which is a WORLD PROTECTORATE!

You Ain't!

You Can't!

hIPNoTK

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"particularly if you're a racist - only the (sexy) straight people"

I just leave this here.

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Then,

20,152 songs...

source ?

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For lack of their authors being banned because nonsense, disinformation and trolling are (unfortunately) mostly allowed on this board, such posts are better off being ignored...

.

Love your quote by Russell, BTW, I didn't know it, but how true sad

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Reply #54 posted 10/07/21 10:13am

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What sets him apart from the others was he was almost a one man show who has an entire studio complex shrine unlike ANY of those artists even more popular than him outside of Neverland Ranch. He will defenitley matter.

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Reply #55 posted 10/07/21 2:14pm

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Oh definitely haha

That is only 30 years! On top of that he is lucky to have come into his own when he did. Dance music the type of which he pioneered is not going anywhere anytime soon, especially not his.

I plan on being around at the time and am willing to be any org member 50 bucks his status is secure.

F*** they'll probably still be releasing music from the vault way later than we will all be alive haha
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Reply #56 posted 10/08/21 7:35pm

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Probably will be viewed in the same as Elvis, Billie Holiday, John Lennon, Sam Cooke are looked at today.
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Reply #57 posted 10/08/21 10:47pm

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WHEN GRANDPOOK MOVE INTO OLD FOLK MONKEY HOME

AND LITTLE GRANDMONKEY GATHER AT POOK FEET

AND PULL ON GRANDPOOK TAIL

GRANDPOOK LOOK AT THEM AND SAY

DEARLY BELOVED

POOK GATHER HERE TODAY TO GET THROUGH THING CALL LIFE

AND THAT HOW PRINCE MATTER IN 2051

P o o |/,
P o o |\
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Reply #58 posted 10/09/21 1:05pm

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paisleypark4 said:

What sets him apart from the others was he was almost a one man show who has an entire studio complex shrine unlike ANY of those artists even more popular than him outside of Neverland Ranch. He will defenitley matter.




He was a bit like Frank Zappa. I recently watched a documentary about Zappa on Dutch tv, so he is not forgotten either. I think Prince will be remembered in the same way, as an amazing and very creative musician.
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Reply #59 posted 10/09/21 2:36pm

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donnadiavolo said:

He matters to everyone who cares for his music, and an audience of zero will never be calculated. In 1951 he will probably matter to a smaller audience. He will be remembered, and should ALWAYS be mentioned in history for his musical influence, ability, and the changes that he made to the industry.

I guarantee you if he manages that feat he is truly a one of a kind genius.


I mean it in good humor, it just caught my eye and struck me funny.
Time keeps on slipping into the future...


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