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Thread started 09/24/21 2:29pm

DarkOK

Peach lyric question

Reading a thread recently where a poster quoted the lyric "turn a gay preacher to a sinner". Every lyric site I've looked at agrees that those are the lyrics.

However, I've always heard the line as:
"Turn a gay.
Preacher to a sinner."
As in, two separate things. Like, she's so hot she could turn a gay and she's so hot she could even turn a preacher into a sinner.

Is there a consensus on how the line should be understood?
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Reply #1 posted 09/24/21 2:44pm

TheEnglishGent

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So hot she can turn on a gay preacher.

RIP sad
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Reply #2 posted 09/24/21 7:13pm

GettWyld

there’s a pause between “gay” and “preacher”, i hear it as two separate phrases myself

Shawn
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Reply #3 posted 09/24/21 7:25pm

TrivialPursuit

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DarkOK said:

Reading a thread recently where a poster quoted the lyric "turn a gay preacher to a sinner". Every lyric site I've looked at agrees that those are the lyrics. However, I've always heard the line as:
"Turn a gay.
Preacher to a sinner." As in, two separate things. Like, she's so hot she could turn a gay and she's so hot she could even turn a preacher into a sinner.

Is there a consensus on how the line should be understood?


It's a pause, they're half phrases. She could turn a gay, and make a preacher into a sinner.

For years, I had misunderstood these lyrics as:

Turn her page

Reach up to her center


"eye don’t really care so much what people say about me because it is a reflection of who they r."
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Reply #4 posted 09/24/21 10:50pm

SpookyPurple

TrivialPursuit said:



DarkOK said:



Reading a thread recently where a poster quoted the lyric "turn a gay preacher to a sinner". Every lyric site I've looked at agrees that those are the lyrics. However, I've always heard the line as:

"Turn a gay.
Preacher to a sinner." As in, two separate things. Like, she's so hot she could turn a gay and she's so hot she could even turn a preacher into a sinner.

Is there a consensus on how the line should be understood?


It's a pause, they're half phrases. She could turn a gay, and make a preacher into a sinner.

For years, I had misunderstood these lyrics as:

Turn her page


Reach up to her center



It should be considered one line - “Turn a gay preacher to a sinner”. There’s a pause because that’s just how all the verses are sung. “Just one glance (pause)… and she stole my heart”. It’s sort of like a joke - she’s so hot she could turn a man of faith who’s not even into women into a sinner.
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Reply #5 posted 09/25/21 12:05am

TrivialPursuit

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SpookyPurple said:

It should be considered one line - “Turn a gay preacher to a sinner”. There’s a pause because that’s just how all the verses are sung. “Just one glance (pause)… and she stole my heart”. It’s sort of like a joke - she’s so hot she could turn a man of faith who’s not even into women into a sinner.


A gay preacher is already considered a sinner in the religious world, so that theory makes it redundant.

"eye don’t really care so much what people say about me because it is a reflection of who they r."
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Reply #6 posted 09/25/21 12:56am

PJMcGee

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Oh my dear lord it's one continuous thought spread over two lines.

And a gay preacher who doesn't act on his desires is not a sinner.
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Reply #7 posted 09/25/21 3:59am

NouveauDance

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Turn a gay [man],

[turn a] Preacher to a sinner

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The "turn" applies to both lines separately but isn't repeated to make it fit/rhyme.

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Reply #8 posted 09/25/21 4:58am

DarkOK

TrivialPursuit said:



SpookyPurple said:


It should be considered one line - “Turn a gay preacher to a sinner”. There’s a pause because that’s just how all the verses are sung. “Just one glance (pause)… and she stole my heart”. It’s sort of like a joke - she’s so hot she could turn a man of faith who’s not even into women into a sinner.


A gay preacher is already considered a sinner in the religious world, so that theory makes it redundant.


Yea, I pretty much agree with that. Homosexuality is often embraced in mainstream churches today. But 30 years ago? Not so much. To me the lyric doesn't make much sense unless viewed as two separate statements.
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Reply #9 posted 09/25/21 5:00am

gandorb

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Reply #10 posted 09/25/21 6:29am

PJMcGee

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Yeah how many of you went to religious (catholic) schools for 13 years? I did, and that was all before Peach came out. If you're gay, but keep the dicks out of your mouth, you have nothing to confess. No sin has been committed.

I can't believe the majority of Prince fans don't understand a simple lyric.
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Reply #11 posted 09/25/21 6:40am

LoveGalore

TrivialPursuit said:



DarkOK said:



Reading a thread recently where a poster quoted the lyric "turn a gay preacher to a sinner". Every lyric site I've looked at agrees that those are the lyrics. However, I've always heard the line as:

"Turn a gay.
Preacher to a sinner." As in, two separate things. Like, she's so hot she could turn a gay and she's so hot she could even turn a preacher into a sinner.

Is there a consensus on how the line should be understood?


It's a pause, they're half phrases. She could turn a gay, and make a preacher into a sinner.

For years, I had misunderstood these lyrics as:

Turn her page


Reach up to her center




I don't think so.

I think he's expressing that she's so hot she could make the least likely scenario happen - someone who isn't even attracted to women and is sworn off sex would be into her.
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Reply #12 posted 09/25/21 6:40am

LoveGalore

Btw not even Prince was so out of touch that he referred to individuals as "a gay." LMFAO

It also doesn't make sense any other way grammatically.

Turn a ____ to a _____.
[Edited 9/25/21 6:41am]
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Reply #13 posted 09/25/21 6:49am

PJMcGee

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TrivialPursuit said:



SpookyPurple said:


It should be considered one line - “Turn a gay preacher to a sinner”. There’s a pause because that’s just how all the verses are sung. “Just one glance (pause)… and she stole my heart”. It’s sort of like a joke - she’s so hot she could turn a man of faith who’s not even into women into a sinner.


A gay preacher is already considered a sinner in the religious world, so that theory makes it redundant.



By that logic, any "gay" is already a sinner and doesn't need to be turned into one.
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Reply #14 posted 09/25/21 7:43am

LILpoundCAKE

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LoveGalore said:

TrivialPursuit said:


It's a pause, they're half phrases. She could turn a gay, and make a preacher into a sinner.

For years, I had misunderstood these lyrics as:

Turn her page

Reach up to her center


I don't think so. I think he's expressing that she's so hot she could make the least likely scenario happen - someone who isn't even attracted to women and is sworn off sex would be into her.


yeahthat


If U're lookin 4 dirt look in Ur own back yard - Plant some Peace Flowers in Ur warzone so I can fire my bodyguards.
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Reply #15 posted 09/25/21 7:44am

LILpoundCAKE

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if he meant it otherwise he could have easily made it:


turn a gay
turn a preacher sinner

but he didn't. she's clearly so hot she could turn a gay preacher into a sinner. cool

If U're lookin 4 dirt look in Ur own back yard - Plant some Peace Flowers in Ur warzone so I can fire my bodyguards.
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Reply #16 posted 09/25/21 8:03am

SpookyPurple

LILpoundCAKE said:

if he meant it otherwise he could have easily made it:


turn a gay
turn a preacher sinner

but he didn't. she's clearly so hot she could turn a gay preacher into a sinner. cool



People - just reference the other lines like -
“Every way…”
“She’s a winner”

“She was pure…”
“Every ounce”

Each lyrical line is broken up like that and combines to form one thought. You’re overthinking things here.
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Reply #17 posted 09/25/21 8:13am

LoveGalore

SpookyPurple said:

LILpoundCAKE said:

if he meant it otherwise he could have easily made it:


turn a gay
turn a preacher sinner

but he didn't. she's clearly so hot she could turn a gay preacher into a sinner. cool



People - just reference the other lines like -
“Every way…”
“She’s a winner”

“She was pure…”
“Every ounce”

Each lyrical line is broken up like that and combines to form one thought. You’re overthinking things here.


No, overthinking would be trying to make it work the other way - which it doesn't. It's a single sentence that makes perfect sense as it is. Not two sentence fragments.
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Reply #18 posted 09/25/21 8:57am

OnlyNDaUsa

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it is 2 different things she can do...


she can turn a gay man to stright

she can also cause a preacher to sleep with her... or whatever...

It is just a way to say "she's pretty"

[Edited 10/12/21 15:00pm]

[Edited 10/15/21 4:06am]

"So the best way to get something done, if you, if you hold near and dear to that, you uh um, like to be able uh...Anyway." - Joe Biden
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Reply #19 posted 09/25/21 9:07am

TheTruth123

TrivialPursuit said:

SpookyPurple said:

It should be considered one line - “Turn a gay preacher to a sinner”. There’s a pause because that’s just how all the verses are sung. “Just one glance (pause)… and she stole my heart”. It’s sort of like a joke - she’s so hot she could turn a man of faith who’s not even into women into a sinner.


A gay preacher is already considered a sinner in the religious world, so that theory makes it redundant.

Good point, but that doesn;t chagnes Prine's meaning.

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Reply #20 posted 09/25/21 9:07am

TheTruth123

SpookyPurple said:

TrivialPursuit said:


It's a pause, they're half phrases. She could turn a gay, and make a preacher into a sinner.

For years, I had misunderstood these lyrics as:

Turn her page

Reach up to her center


It should be considered one line - “Turn a gay preacher to a sinner”. There’s a pause because that’s just how all the verses are sung. “Just one glance (pause)… and she stole my heart”. It’s sort of like a joke - she’s so hot she could turn a man of faith who’s not even into women into a sinner.

EXACTLY.

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Reply #21 posted 09/25/21 10:31am

SpookyPurple

LoveGalore said:

SpookyPurple said:



People - just reference the other lines like -
“Every way…”
“She’s a winner”

“She was pure…”
“Every ounce”

Each lyrical line is broken up like that and combines to form one thought. You’re overthinking things here.


No, overthinking would be trying to make it work the other way - which it doesn't. It's a single sentence that makes perfect sense as it is. Not two sentence fragments.


Are you agreeing with me? No? Your statement is confusingly worded.
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Reply #22 posted 09/25/21 10:39am

LoveGalore

SpookyPurple said:

LoveGalore said:



No, overthinking would be trying to make it work the other way - which it doesn't. It's a single sentence that makes perfect sense as it is. Not two sentence fragments.


Are you agreeing with me? No? Your statement is confusingly worded.


I'm disagreeing with the idea he was overthinking. He said the same thing you and I did elsewhere.
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Reply #23 posted 09/25/21 10:53am

SpookyPurple

LoveGalore said:

SpookyPurple said:



Are you agreeing with me? No? Your statement is confusingly worded.


I'm disagreeing with the idea he was overthinking. He said the same thing you and I did elsewhere.

Ah sorry. I meant the Team OP was overthinking it. The person I directly quoted was indeed on the right side of history wink
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Reply #24 posted 09/25/21 12:57pm

nayroo2002

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Is this on the same lines as Jagger singing, "you can make a dead man come"?

"Whatever skin Ur in
we all need 2 b friends"
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Reply #25 posted 09/27/21 3:38am

gsmith5678

I've always presumed he's using 'gay' in this context as meaning 'happy', reflecting the line in Chaos & Disorder. I know they were recorded some time apart but they always felt of a piece to me, I guess because of the way they were played together live.

"Turn a happy preacher into a sinner."
Who knows.
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Reply #26 posted 09/27/21 5:03am

leecaldon

It's certainly one phrase.

And being gay in itself is not the 'sin', it's acting on it. (In these antiquated doctrines).

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Reply #27 posted 09/27/21 10:23am

Bighead

nayroo2002 said:

Is this on the same lines as Jagger singing, "you can make a dead man come"?

Exactly the same.

Fine enough to turn a gay preacher into a sinner

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Reply #28 posted 09/27/21 12:04pm

LoveGalore

gsmith5678 said:

I've always presumed he's using 'gay' in this context as meaning 'happy', reflecting the line in Chaos & Disorder. I know they were recorded some time apart but they always felt of a piece to me, I guess because of the way they were played together live.

"Turn a happy preacher into a sinner."
Who knows.

Actually, Chaos & Disorder was born of an extended jam on Peach so they are very much intwined.

However, Prince was still referring to homosexuality in Chaos & Disorder with the follow-up line: "happy ain't allowed" references anti-gay sentiment.

He's specifically saying she's so hot a gay preacher would go against his sexuality and his beliefs to sleep with her.

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Reply #29 posted 09/27/21 12:05pm

TrivialPursuit

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PJMcGee said:

TrivialPursuit said:


A gay preacher is already considered a sinner in the religious world, so that theory makes it redundant.

By that logic, any "gay" is already a sinner and doesn't need to be turned into one.


To "turn a gay man straight" is already its own thing, though. The sinner part isn't an element in that. It's like every guy thinking he can turn a lesbian straight if he fucked her. No religious element there.

The religious element is Sinner connotes to a Preacher. "Turning" relates to gays.

"eye don’t really care so much what people say about me because it is a reflection of who they r."
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