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Reply #30 posted 09/27/21 3:53pm

SpookyPurple

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PJMcGee said:

TrivialPursuit said: By that logic, any "gay" is already a sinner and doesn't need to be turned into one.


To "turn a gay man straight" is already its own thing, though. The sinner part isn't an element in that. It's like every guy thinking he can turn a lesbian straight if he fucked her. No religious element there.

The religious element is Sinner connotes to a Preacher. "Turning" relates to gays.

Is this still seriously being debated? Haha. The person who referenced the Stones lyric got it. In theory, what would be more difficult or least likely? To get a straight male priest to have sex with a woman? Or to get a gay, male priest to have sex with a woman? The latter. Prince is saying this woman is so hot that even the least likely person would go for her. Again, just reference all the other lines in the song. When he says "She made me... Glad to be a man" he's not stating two separate thoughts that 1) The woman made him and 2) That he's glad to be a man. He's stating that SHE made him glad to be a man. Same logic applies to allllll the other lines in this song that are broken up like that.

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Reply #31 posted 09/27/21 4:16pm

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Is this still seriously being debated? Haha.


No debate here. I'm just stating what I believe.

"eye don’t really care so much what people say about me because it is a reflection of who they r."
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Reply #32 posted 09/27/21 6:55pm

SpookyPurple

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SpookyPurple said:






Is this still seriously being debated? Haha.




No debate here. I'm just stating what I believe.


Respect.
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Reply #33 posted 09/29/21 7:39am

NouveauDance

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I've always presumed he's using 'gay' in this context as meaning 'happy', reflecting the line in Chaos & Disorder. I know they were recorded some time apart but they always felt of a piece to me, I guess because of the way they were played together live.

"Turn a happy preacher into a sinner."
Who knows.

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The lyric is straight forward and it's already been clearly explained.

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Turn a gay [man] - Meaning she's so got even a gay man would want her.

Preach her to sinner - Separate line, comparing her hotness to holiness, she's so 'holy' a sinner would convert/repent.

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I looked back at my earlier post in this thread, I must've been high or something, when this topic has already been covered and the above is the lyric, making the meaning crystal clear imo.

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Reply #34 posted 09/29/21 8:00am

Vannormal

Strange.

This coming from Prince.

A ''gay preacher''... makes me wonder...

in this song context :

- even if he was not gay, he would also turn into a sinner, right?

- why ''gay'' then (to fill the song line)?

- or ''gay'' as in happy like someone said. So why didn't he used ''great'' or ''cool'' or ''sane''?

- why the word ''gay''?... for a ''preacher''?

- was it a already a hint towards the abuse in religion in general ? biggrin

- ''gay teacher''? ... LOL

- ''lesbian teacher or preacher'' wouldn't work in the rhyme. wink)))

- whatever

anyway, she's so hot she can turn whatever to cross any line - according to Prince.

"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves.
And wiser people so full of doubts"
(Bertrand Russsell 1872-1972)
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Reply #35 posted 09/29/21 9:47am

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Wow. Who woulda thought Peach could be such a confounding test of reading comprehension. Maybe if English was not your first language, I'd give you a pass. But lord.

To those who think Prince was using gay to mean happy, come on. Not post Stonewall, dears.

This is as divisive and nonsensical as anything concocted by Trump.
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Reply #36 posted 09/29/21 10:42am

LoveGalore

NouveauDance said:



gsmith5678 said:



I've always presumed he's using 'gay' in this context as meaning 'happy', reflecting the line in Chaos & Disorder. I know they were recorded some time apart but they always felt of a piece to me, I guess because of the way they were played together live.





"Turn a happy preacher into a sinner."

Who knows.




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The lyric is straight forward and it's already been clearly explained.


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Turn a gay [man] - Meaning she's so got even a gay man would want her.


Preach her to sinner - Separate line, comparing her hotness to holiness, she's so 'holy' a sinner would convert/repent.


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I looked back at my earlier post in this thread, I must've been high or something, when this topic has already been covered and the above is the lyric, making the meaning crystal clear imo.



"Turn a gay" is not the lyric.

It's "turn a gay preacher to a sinner."
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Reply #37 posted 09/29/21 11:05am

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LoveGalore said:

TrivialPursuit said:



DarkOK said:



Reading a thread recently where a poster quoted the lyric "turn a gay preacher to a sinner". Every lyric site I've looked at agrees that those are the lyrics. However, I've always heard the line as:

"Turn a gay.
Preacher to a sinner." As in, two separate things. Like, she's so hot she could turn a gay and she's so hot she could even turn a preacher into a sinner.

Is there a consensus on how the line should be understood?


It's a pause, they're half phrases. She could turn a gay, and make a preacher into a sinner.

For years, I had misunderstood these lyrics as:

Turn her page


Reach up to her center




I don't think so.

I think he's expressing that she's so hot she could make the least likely scenario happen - someone who isn't even attracted to women and is sworn off sex would be into her.


This.
[Edited 9/29/21 11:07am]
Time keeps on slipping into the future...


This moment is all there is...
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Reply #38 posted 09/30/21 12:14am

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By the way, a friend took a pic of the sheet music from The Hits songbook.

Even more laughable - and we have to remember that these transcriptions were often wrong in lyrics, chords, etc., and would go un-vetted by the artist - the songbook said,

"Turn up gay,

preacher 2 a sinner."

I mean, I turn up gay everywhere, so I'm down with that. πŸ‘

"eye don’t really care so much what people say about me because it is a reflection of who they r."
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Reply #39 posted 09/30/21 5:07am

LoveGalore

TrivialPursuit said:

By the way, a friend took a pic of the sheet music from The Hits songbook.

Even more laughable - and we have to remember that these transcriptions were often wrong in lyrics, chords, etc., and would go un-vetted by the artist - the songbook said,

"Turn up gay,


preacher 2 a sinner."

I mean, I turn up gay everywhere, so I'm down with that. πŸ‘



The official lyric book for emancipation says jam of the year's prechorus says "when the groove rubber baby's hot" and I have no idea how Prince approved that
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Reply #40 posted 09/30/21 7:38am

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LoveGalore said:.

"Turn a gay" is not the lyric. It's "turn a gay preacher to a sinner."

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Reply #41 posted 09/30/21 8:30am

LoveGalore

NouveauDance said:

LoveGalore said:.

"Turn a gay" is not the lyric. It's "turn a gay preacher to a sinner."

lol Ok dear.

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Reply #42 posted 09/30/21 12:06pm

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This thread is GOLD. An actual debate about a near 30 year old lyric, when there has never in the history of Prince message boards been a debate about it. Show me if there has been. I've been around for a bit.

It always has been, is, and always will be "Turn a gay preacher 2 a sinner." Period. Not an opinion, but a solid, inarguable FACT.

Ridiculousness.

[Edited 9/30/21 12:08pm]

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Reply #43 posted 09/30/21 12:23pm

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TheBigBang said:

This thread is GOLD. An actual debate about a near 30 year old lyric, when there has never in the history of Prince message boards been a debate about it. Show me if there has been. I've been around for a bit.

It always has been, is, and always will be "Turn a gay preacher 2 a sinner." Period. Not an opinion, but a solid, inarguable FACT.

Ridiculousness.

[Edited 9/30/21 12:08pm]



It's been discussed... And it's 2 lines 2 different things she could do
i dIdn't reAd aNy of that gaRbaG
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Reply #44 posted 09/30/21 12:41pm

EddieC

Glad I clicked on the thread. Because this is, well, interesting.

It's one phrase. "Turn a gay preacher to a sinner." While it's true that she could turn a gay man straight and that she could turn a preacher to a sinner, Prince wants you to understand that she's way more tempting than that. She can do both things at the same time, to the same man. He doesn't want women, and he's morally opposed to engaging in the act--but it doesn't matter. He's gonna give in.

That is the definitive answer.

Now, continue talking, and I'll just watch.

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Reply #45 posted 09/30/21 1:20pm

TrivialPursuit

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LoveGalore said:


The official lyric book for emancipation says jam of the year's prechorus says "when the groove rubber baby's hot" and I have no idea how Prince approved that


Yeah, that was likely the mistake of whoever put that book together. I'm like, "You're literally in Paisley Park. You can't ask the fancy lesbian what the lyric is?"

"eye don’t really care so much what people say about me because it is a reflection of who they r."
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Reply #46 posted 09/30/21 4:36pm

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TrivialPursuit said:

LoveGalore said:


The official lyric book for emancipation says jam of the year's prechorus says "when the groove rubber baby's hot" and I have no idea how Prince approved that


Yeah, that was likely the mistake of whoever put that book together. I'm like, "You're literally in Paisley Park. You can't ask the fancy lesbian what the lyric is?"


What is that lyric? groove robber?

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Reply #47 posted 09/30/21 6:34pm

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TheEnglishGent said:

TrivialPursuit said:


Yeah, that was likely the mistake of whoever put that book together. I'm like, "You're literally in Paisley Park. You can't ask the fancy lesbian what the lyric is?"


What is that lyric? groove robber?



Isn't it "the groove of a baby's heart?"

"eye don’t really care so much what people say about me because it is a reflection of who they r."
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Reply #48 posted 10/02/21 7:18am

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TrivialPursuit said:

TheEnglishGent said:


What is that lyric? groove robber?



Isn't it "the groove of a baby's heart?"

That doesn't seem right, especially in context

I got a new Peurto Rican score

And she's doing it on the floor

When the groove of a baby's heart

I'm givin' it all I got.

Last word really sounds more like hot to me, which does directly rhyme with got.

When the groove of my baby's hot

That would make sense. But there sounds like there's an R sound in there somewhere between groove and baby.

I've been listening to a number of live versions and it still sounds to me most like, "When the groove rubber babies hot", but that doesn't make sense either.

RIP sad
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Reply #49 posted 10/02/21 9:23am

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TheEnglishGent said:

TrivialPursuit said:



Isn't it "the groove of a baby's heart?"

That doesn't seem right, especially in context

I got a new Peurto Rican score

And she's doing it on the floor

When the groove of a baby's heart

I'm givin' it all I got.

Last word really sounds more like hot to me, which does directly rhyme with got.

When the groove of my baby's hot

That would make sense. But there sounds like there's an R sound in there somewhere between groove and baby.

I've been listening to a number of live versions and it still sounds to me most like, "When the groove rubber babies hot", but that doesn't make sense either.

but groove of a baby's heart fits in with "sex in the summer" I think he said when he heard it that it was a "groove."

i dIdn't reAd aNy of that gaRbaG
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Reply #50 posted 10/02/21 10:21am

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The song is one of the highlights of his sense of humour for sure
Every saint has a past, and every sinner has a future...

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Reply #51 posted 10/02/21 10:33am

LoveGalore

TheEnglishGent said:



TrivialPursuit said:




TheEnglishGent said:




What is that lyric? groove robber?





Isn't it "the groove of a baby's heart?"



That doesn't seem right, especially in context



I got a new Peurto Rican score


And she's doing it on the floor


When the groove of a baby's heart


I'm givin' it all I got.



Last word really sounds more like hot to me, which does directly rhyme with got.

When the groove of my baby's hot

That would make sense. But there sounds like there's an R sound in there somewhere between groove and baby.



I've been listening to a number of live versions and it still sounds to me most like, "When the groove rubber babies hot", but that doesn't make sense either.



It's WITH the groove of a baby's heart. Not when.

Edit for clarity: the lyric is a reference to Sex in the Summer - "got a new PR score, she's doing it on the floor, with the/a groove from a baby's heart, I'm giving it all I got, ooh this is the jam of the year"

There is no rubber baby, no other cryptic message. He's referencing what became a big deal in the promo of the album - he wrote a song using his unborn child's heartbeat.
[Edited 10/2/21 10:36am]
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Reply #52 posted 10/02/21 10:35am

TrivialPursuit

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TheEnglishGent said:

TrivialPursuit said:



Isn't it "the groove of a baby's heart?"

That doesn't seem right, especially in context

I got a new Peurto Rican score

And she's doing it on the floor

When the groove of a baby's heart

I'm givin' it all I got.

Last word really sounds more like hot to me, which does directly rhyme with got.

When the groove of my baby's hot

That would make sense. But there sounds like there's an R sound in there somewhere between groove and baby.

I've been listening to a number of live versions and it still sounds to me most like, "When the groove rubber babies hot", but that doesn't make sense either.


But he's sorta sideways talking about Mayte. It should be "with the groove," not "when." A baby's heart is fast and strong, just like how he's living. The phrase you quoted comes across more like a summation of his situation. He's got a new girl, a dancer, a baby's heartbeat is in their future. He's running with all burners on blast. The girl and the baby are giving him full energy and are his motivation.

And what does "the groove of my baby's hot." His baby's hot what, exactly?

That "groove rubber babies hot" is ridiculous, we can all agree. I don't know who put that in the book or how it got past him, but it's 100% wrong.

[Edited 10/2/21 10:36am]

"eye don’t really care so much what people say about me because it is a reflection of who they r."
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Reply #53 posted 10/02/21 10:40am

LoveGalore

TrivialPursuit said:



TheEnglishGent said:




TrivialPursuit said:





Isn't it "the groove of a baby's heart?"



That doesn't seem right, especially in context



I got a new Peurto Rican score


And she's doing it on the floor


When the groove of a baby's heart


I'm givin' it all I got.



Last word really sounds more like hot to me, which does directly rhyme with got.

When the groove of my baby's hot

That would make sense. But there sounds like there's an R sound in there somewhere between groove and baby.



I've been listening to a number of live versions and it still sounds to me most like, "When the groove rubber babies hot", but that doesn't make sense either.




But he's sorta sideways talking about Mayte. It should be "with the groove," not "when." A baby's heart is fast and strong, just like how he's living. The phrase you quoted comes across more like a summation of his situation. He's got a new girl, a dancer, a baby's heartbeat is in their future. He's running with all burners on blast. The girl and the baby are giving him full energy and are his motivation.

And what does "the groove of my baby's hot." His baby's hot what, exactly?

That "groove rubber babies hot" is ridiculous, we can all agree. I don't know who put that in the book or how it got past him, but it's 100% wrong.

[Edited 10/2/21 10:36am]



Yup, the "jam" isn't a jam as it were at all. He's talking about the fact he finally got married and has a baby. This is the "jam" he's been waiting to have for a long long time, it's what has inspired the shit out of him so much. His wife is there dancing to a song he wrote using his baby's heartbeat.
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Reply #54 posted 10/02/21 2:38pm

Mackopolis44

Ok, I'm about to put the cat among the pigeons.

I've always heard the line as:

Turn HER gay
Preacher to a sinner


In other words, she's so hot that a straight girl would have a dalliance with her!

Thoughts? 😎✌❀
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Reply #55 posted 10/02/21 7:45pm

LoveGalore

Mackopolis44 said:

Ok, I'm about to put the cat among the pigeons.

I've always heard the line as:

Turn HER gay
Preacher to a sinner


In other words, she's so hot that a straight girl would have a dalliance with her!

Thoughts? 😎✌❀


Yeah maybe it's

Turner, gay
Preacher to a sinner


It's actually a reference to Kathleen Turner being a secret lesbian and a reference to her then recent role in Serial Mom.
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Reply #56 posted 10/03/21 1:04am

Mackopolis44

LoveGalore said:

Mackopolis44 said:

Ok, I'm about to put the cat among the pigeons.

I've always heard the line as:

Turn HER gay
Preacher to a sinner


In other words, she's so hot that a straight girl would have a dalliance with her!

Thoughts? 😎✌❀


Yeah maybe it's

Turner, gay
Preacher to a sinner


It's actually a reference to Kathleen Turner being a secret lesbian and a reference to her then recent role in Serial Mom.

We are definitely jumping down a rabbit hole here!
Hang on, didn't she do the voice of Jessica Rabbit?

Spooky 😱😱😱
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Reply #57 posted 10/03/21 2:33am

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TrivialPursuit said:

TheEnglishGent said:

That doesn't seem right, especially in context

I got a new Peurto Rican score

And she's doing it on the floor

When the groove of a baby's heart

I'm givin' it all I got.

Last word really sounds more like hot to me, which does directly rhyme with got.

When the groove of my baby's hot

That would make sense. But there sounds like there's an R sound in there somewhere between groove and baby.

I've been listening to a number of live versions and it still sounds to me most like, "When the groove rubber babies hot", but that doesn't make sense either.


But he's sorta sideways talking about Mayte. It should be "with the groove," not "when." A baby's heart is fast and strong, just like how he's living. The phrase you quoted comes across more like a summation of his situation. He's got a new girl, a dancer, a baby's heartbeat is in their future. He's running with all burners on blast. The girl and the baby are giving him full energy and are his motivation.

And what does "the groove of my baby's hot." His baby's hot what, exactly?

That "groove rubber babies hot" is ridiculous, we can all agree. I don't know who put that in the book or how it got past him, but it's 100% wrong.

[Edited 10/2/21 10:36am]

The babies heart stuff could all make sense considering the time period, except he's definiely saying when, not with, there's no th sound in there. There's definitely an R sound after groove, so it can't be groove of. So the groove of a babies heart definitely isn't the lyric, but I finally got it

I got a new Peurto Rican score

And she's doing it on the floor

When the groove from my baby's hot

I'm givin' it all I got.

She's on the dance floor, in the groove and she's hot. It all makes sense and is all in context and ties up with all the sounds you can hear him singing. I believe this is 100%. Go listen to the album track, Brixton performance, Freedom concert, Cafe De paris or any other performance and this sits with all of them.

RIP sad
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Reply #58 posted 10/03/21 8:21am

LoveGalore

TheEnglishGent said:



TrivialPursuit said:




TheEnglishGent said:



That doesn't seem right, especially in context



I got a new Peurto Rican score


And she's doing it on the floor


When the groove of a baby's heart


I'm givin' it all I got.



Last word really sounds more like hot to me, which does directly rhyme with got.

When the groove of my baby's hot

That would make sense. But there sounds like there's an R sound in there somewhere between groove and baby.



I've been listening to a number of live versions and it still sounds to me most like, "When the groove rubber babies hot", but that doesn't make sense either.




But he's sorta sideways talking about Mayte. It should be "with the groove," not "when." A baby's heart is fast and strong, just like how he's living. The phrase you quoted comes across more like a summation of his situation. He's got a new girl, a dancer, a baby's heartbeat is in their future. He's running with all burners on blast. The girl and the baby are giving him full energy and are his motivation.

And what does "the groove of my baby's hot." His baby's hot what, exactly?

That "groove rubber babies hot" is ridiculous, we can all agree. I don't know who put that in the book or how it got past him, but it's 100% wrong.


[Edited 10/2/21 10:36am]




The babies heart stuff could all make sense considering the time period, except he's definiely saying when, not with, there's no th sound in there. There's definitely an R sound after groove, so it can't be groove of. So the groove of a babies heart definitely isn't the lyric, but I finally got it


I got a new Peurto Rican score


And she's doing it on the floor


When the groove from my baby's hot


I'm givin' it all I got.



She's on the dance floor, in the groove and she's hot. It all makes sense and is all in context and ties up with all the sounds you can hear him singing. I believe this is 100%. Go listen to the album track, Brixton performance, Freedom concert, Cafe De paris or any other performance and this sits with all of them.



Nope.
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Reply #59 posted 10/03/21 2:27pm

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LoveGalore said:

TheEnglishGent said:

The babies heart stuff could all make sense considering the time period, except he's definiely saying when, not with, there's no th sound in there. There's definitely an R sound after groove, so it can't be groove of. So the groove of a babies heart definitely isn't the lyric, but I finally got it

I got a new Peurto Rican score

And she's doing it on the floor

When the groove from my baby's hot

I'm givin' it all I got.

She's on the dance floor, in the groove and she's hot. It all makes sense and is all in context and ties up with all the sounds you can hear him singing. I believe this is 100%. Go listen to the album track, Brixton performance, Freedom concert, Cafe De paris or any other performance and this sits with all of them.

Nope.

Well it is. πŸ€·πŸ»β€β™‚οΈ

*edit* According to Princevault.com, Jam Of The Year was recorded late 95/early 96, which would be before Mayte was even pregnant. For reference, Sex In The Summer was recorded summer '96.

[Edited 10/3/21 14:58pm]

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