alandail said:

He also has a podcast, who is prince. I listened to it on a recent drive. Some interesting things in there that i hadn't heard before, but also a couple of things i found off (one was in the last chapter, he spoke as if Prince was knowingly taking fentenyl, which the podcast itself contradicts).

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As usual, these podcasts are really good and interesting.

At least I am enjoying them a lot !

Prince fans should should check these out.

Alan leeds, Roy Bennett, Susan Rogers, Wendy & Susannah, Morris etc... are always a joy to listen too.

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PennyPurple said:

Why would anyone want to read a book that is so skewed and full of lies?

And the ASSociates are still lying. Toure didn't check the statements, he took them as fact, and that is what I have a problem with.

He took JJ's words and published them as fact. P didn't have a 1000 pills at PP.

These false statements can be easily checked.

Did he interview M1 or M2, those are the 2 he married and probably knew him the best?

Did he interview anyone from 3rd Eye Girl?

The ones he interviewed hadn't seen him for years (but that didn't stop them from asking him for $$) They seen him at V's funeral.

Hell they even lie about a frickin Lemon Cake.

Just so over all the lies and deceit.

And now all because Toure couldn't do his homework, Prince was nothing but a drug addict, at least that's the story he's pushing.

Leave us fans alone, stop pushing all this false BS, and just let us enjoy the music that is coming out.

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Were you there ?

Did you work with/for Prince?

Is it because you don't or won't agree with his collected opinions on how Prince was according to those who worked with him ?

Well I'm not that fan that needs to be left alone with these interesting views on Prince by those who worked for him, through the writing by Touré (or whomever)..

To know what is worth knowing, I for one find it necessary to read it all.

Just to slowly build my own opinion on whatever is said to be true or doubtfull.

I would never state that all lies are being told without knowing for sure (or not), or tear someone's work down to the ground publically.

Why should i do something like that ? What does it bring more to this site or to whomever, or adds to the story of Prince we are all longing for to know more ?

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[Edited 8/30/21 8:22am]

Vannormal said:

PennyPurple said:

Why would anyone want to read a book that is so skewed and full of lies?

And the ASSociates are still lying. Toure didn't check the statements, he took them as fact, and that is what I have a problem with.

He took JJ's words and published them as fact. P didn't have a 1000 pills at PP.

These false statements can be easily checked.

Did he interview M1 or M2, those are the 2 he married and probably knew him the best?

Did he interview anyone from 3rd Eye Girl?

The ones he interviewed hadn't seen him for years (but that didn't stop them from asking him for $$) They seen him at V's funeral.

Hell they even lie about a frickin Lemon Cake.

Just so over all the lies and deceit.

And now all because Toure couldn't do his homework, Prince was nothing but a drug addict, at least that's the story he's pushing.

Leave us fans alone, stop pushing all this false BS, and just let us enjoy the music that is coming out.

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Were you there ?

Did you work with/for Prince?

Is it because you don't or won't agree with his collected opinions on how Prince was according to those who worked with him ?

Well I'm not that fan that needs to be left alone with these interesting views on Prince by those who worked for him, through the writing by Touré (or whomever).

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[Edited 8/30/21 8:22am]

To be fair, @PurplePenny addresses some of your critique in their original post. Many of the associates Toure is relying on didn't work with Prince recently. They're old friends who've not been in Prince's intimate inner circle for years. They have no more inside knowledge of what was happeing in Prince's final few years than you and I. They are speculating.

Also, no author should simply accept someone's words as fact, even if that person was close to Prince in their final few years. To the extent possible, attempts should be made to verifiyl factual statements.. For example, JJ's statement about the amount of pills in PP should have been compared to the police report, and then discredited, rathe than passed off as legit news.

lurker316 said:

To be fair, @PurplePenny addresses some of your critique in their original post. Many of the associates Toure is relying on didn't work with Prince recently. They're old friends who've not been in Prince's intimate inner circle for years. They have no more inside knowledge of what was happeing in Prince's final few years than you and I. They are speculating.

Also, no author should simply accept someone's words as fact, even if that person was close to Prince in their final few years. To the extent possible, attempts should be made to verifiyl factual statements.. For example, JJ's statement about the amount of pills in PP should have been compared to the police report, and then discredited, rathe than passed off as legit news.

Thank you. There's a great deal that is wrong with the book. His first book was shit too.

Vannormal said:

PennyPurple said:

Why would anyone want to read a book that is so skewed and full of lies?

And the ASSociates are still lying. Toure didn't check the statements, he took them as fact, and that is what I have a problem with.

He took JJ's words and published them as fact. P didn't have a 1000 pills at PP.

These false statements can be easily checked.

Did he interview M1 or M2, those are the 2 he married and probably knew him the best?

Did he interview anyone from 3rd Eye Girl?

The ones he interviewed hadn't seen him for years (but that didn't stop them from asking him for $$) They seen him at V's funeral.

Hell they even lie about a frickin Lemon Cake.

Just so over all the lies and deceit.

And now all because Toure couldn't do his homework, Prince was nothing but a drug addict, at least that's the story he's pushing.

Leave us fans alone, stop pushing all this false BS, and just let us enjoy the music that is coming out.

-

Were you there ?

Did you work with/for Prince?

Is it because you don't or won't agree with his collected opinions on how Prince was according to those who worked with him ?

Well I'm not that fan that needs to be left alone with these interesting views on Prince by those who worked for him, through the writing by Touré (or whomever)..

To know what is worth knowing, I for one find it necessary to read it all.

Just to slowly build my own opinion on whatever is said to be true or doubtfull.

I would never state that all lies are being told without knowing for sure (or not), or tear someone's work down to the ground publically.

Why should i do something like that ? What does it bring more to this site or to whomever, or adds to the story of Prince we are all longing for to know more ?

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[Edited 8/30/21 8:22am]

Excuse me, but LIES are being told, that are easily researched. JJ's stated they found 1000 (s) of pills at PP....umm no they didn't. All that toure had to do is check the investigative files.

Toure didn't even know that Duane wasn't related to Prince? Thankfully Laytonian caught that mistake.

If 1 was writing a book, wouldn't 1 also fact check things? Toure thinks he's an expert on Prince, but I bet you members of this forum have more expertise on Prince than he does.

I said, "I'm over the lies and deceit". If you want to believe and buy into the lies that they are selling, more power to you. These statements that are being published as facts, aren't facts and are easily disproved.

lurker316 said:

Vannormal said:

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Were you there ?

Did you work with/for Prince?

Is it because you don't or won't agree with his collected opinions on how Prince was according to those who worked with him ?

Well I'm not that fan that needs to be left alone with these interesting views on Prince by those who worked for him, through the writing by Touré (or whomever).

-

[Edited 8/30/21 8:22am]

To be fair, @PurplePenny addresses some of your critique in their original post. Many of the associates Toure is relying on didn't work with Prince recently. They're old friends who've not been in Prince's intimate inner circle for years. They have no more inside knowledge of what was happeing in Prince's final few years than you and I. They are speculating.

Also, no author should simply accept someone's words as fact, even if that person was close to Prince in their final few years. To the extent possible, attempts should be made to verifiyl factual statements.. For example, JJ's statement about the amount of pills in PP should have been compared to the police report, and then discredited, rathe than passed off as legit news.

Exactly.

Thank you!

Relevant Twitter thread by Scott Woods: https://twitter.com/scott...5691954179

lurker316 said:

Also, no author should simply accept someone's words as fact, even if that person was close to Prince in their final few years. To the extent possible, attempts should be made to verifiyl factual statements.. For example, JJ's statement about the amount of pills in PP should have been compared to the police report, and then discredited, rathe than passed off as legit news.

JJ is also the person claiming that Duane Nelson was the son of John L Nelson and his ex-wife Vivian, something that was discounted long ago. Hucky Austin publicly posted that Prince ALWAYS knew that Duane was not related.

The big problem I have with this book is Toure inserts his own psychoanalyses ramblings and then inserts a random comment from an associate. Why would he be quoting (?) Morris Hayes in a section about the early 1980s?

It's like someone threw a bunch of interviews cut out from magazines with Toure's "proof" of everything he want to be true.
Halfway through this thing, he's trying to convince the reader that Prince was merely a severely-damaged person always trying to prove how mean his parents were to him.
THEN there's the part where he obviously didn't read what he inserted. "Prince idolized his father." "Prince didn't like his father." blah blah blah

There's actually no proof that he ever interviewed these people (date, time, location). It's rambling crap. So far, Bobby Z is coming as the most believable.

BartVanHemelen said:

Relevant Twitter thread by Scott Woods: https://twitter.com/scott...5691954179

The books sounds truly appalling, one of the most shocking things being the book spending 209 pages out of 239 discussing the 80's.

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Made me wonder: is this a sheer symptom of the failure of capitalism? There is such a thing as an information market, right? Informations regarding Prince's life from his birth to roughly 1988 have been covered to death by many books. Unless you're digging very specific studio information as Duane did, there is virtually no way you're gonna unearth anything new or significant about these years.

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Then you have an informational vacuum for roughly 1989-2016, with a shitload of stories to be told, very little data about recording sessions available and a man's life that remained very unordinary till the end (thus interesting for drone workers to read about). There is material for many new books there.

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Either the target audience is exclusively those people buying their first Prince book ever (can it be?), or the asumption is that Prince fans are so limited intellectually that they'd rather read the same stories over and over again about P's "classic" era than anything new about his later career.

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Based on offer and demand, one would assume than on an information market, new info would make a more desired product than rehashed info, right?

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Failure of capitalism, I'm telling you

databank said:

BartVanHemelen said:

Relevant Twitter thread by Scott Woods: https://twitter.com/scott...5691954179

The books sounds truly appalling, one of the most shocking things being the book spending 209 pages out of 239 discussing the 80's.

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Made me wonder: is this a sheer symptom of the failure of capitalism? There is such a thing as an information market, right? Informations regarding Prince's life from his birth to roughly 1988 have been covered to death by many books. Unless you're digging very specific studio information as Duane did, there is virtually no way you're gonna unearth anything new or significant about these years.

.

Then you have an informational vacuum for roughly 1989-2016, with a shitload of stories to be told, very little data about recording sessions available and a man's life that remained very unordinary till the end (thus interesting for drone workers to read about). There is material for many new books there.

.

Either the target audience is exclusively those people buying their first Prince book ever (can it be?), or the asumption is that Prince fans are so limited intellectually that they'd rather read the same stories over and over again about P's "classic" era than anything new about his later career.

.

Based on offer and demand, one would assume than on an information market, new info would make a more desired product than rehashed info, right?

.

Failure of capitalism, I'm telling you

How is that a failure of capitalism? The point of captialism isn't that lies are suppressed. It's that both lies and the truth are offered to the public, and ulimately the truth wins out. IN other words, captitalism's success isn't contingent on this book being published. Rather, it's contingent on another book coming along to set things straight. If in a few years no one balances this out, the lack of such a book might be a failure of capitalism. But the existence of this book is not, in and of itself, an indictement of the capitalism.

PennyPurple said:

Vannormal said:

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Were you there ?

Did you work with/for Prince?

Is it because you don't or won't agree with his collected opinions on how Prince was according to those who worked with him ?

Well I'm not that fan that needs to be left alone with these interesting views on Prince by those who worked for him, through the writing by Touré (or whomever)..

To know what is worth knowing, I for one find it necessary to read it all.

Just to slowly build my own opinion on whatever is said to be true or doubtfull.

I would never state that all lies are being told without knowing for sure (or not), or tear someone's work down to the ground publically.

Why should i do something like that ? What does it bring more to this site or to whomever, or adds to the story of Prince we are all longing for to know more ?

-

[Edited 8/30/21 8:22am]

Excuse me, but LIES are being told, that are easily researched. JJ's stated they found 1000 (s) of pills at PP....umm no they didn't. All that toure had to do is check the investigative files.

Toure didn't even know that Duane wasn't related to Prince? Thankfully Laytonian caught that mistake.

If 1 was writing a book, wouldn't 1 also fact check things? Toure thinks he's an expert on Prince, but I bet you members of this forum have more expertise on Prince than he does.

I said, "I'm over the lies and deceit". If you want to believe and buy into the lies that they are selling, more power to you. These statements that are being published as facts, aren't facts and are easily disproved.

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The one telling more than several lies throughout his own life was Prince himself.

We know that from the facts we all being served fro the last five years since he's gone.

I don't care if Jill Jones said 'a 1000 of pills'. I interpret that as many.

From the pictures of the investigation after Prince was found dead, there were more than one package of pills to be found in more than one picture, go check that.

It also could've been vitamins, i don't know and don't care. That is no what it is about in general.

This is not a book about fact checks, and these kidns of books will never be.

This is abook about personal opinions of those who knew him for a great part of their professional lives, even as friends, or just as aquaintances, whatever. They were there (for some time). I'm interested in their sotries and opinions. Right or wrong.

No one has the factual answers to even more questions regarding all things Prince and certianly concerning his personal life.

But all these 'unfactual, uncontrolable' opinions are interesting thus important imho.

It is the only thing we can get about him.

We will never get a full idea of who he really was. Did he know it himself even? all that religeous disers for answers and his search for truths. That's what it makes all so very damn interesting.

Yes I want to know what everyone has to say that worked for him or with him.

Even if it's not trustworthy. I am capabel of filtering and forming my own opinion.

I refuse to be opinionated berfore I read a book.

Simple.

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lurker316 said:

databank said:

The books sounds truly appalling, one of the most shocking things being the book spending 209 pages out of 239 discussing the 80's.

.

Made me wonder: is this a sheer symptom of the failure of capitalism? There is such a thing as an information market, right? Informations regarding Prince's life from his birth to roughly 1988 have been covered to death by many books. Unless you're digging very specific studio information as Duane did, there is virtually no way you're gonna unearth anything new or significant about these years.

.

Then you have an informational vacuum for roughly 1989-2016, with a shitload of stories to be told, very little data about recording sessions available and a man's life that remained very unordinary till the end (thus interesting for drone workers to read about). There is material for many new books there.

.

Either the target audience is exclusively those people buying their first Prince book ever (can it be?), or the asumption is that Prince fans are so limited intellectually that they'd rather read the same stories over and over again about P's "classic" era than anything new about his later career.

.

Based on offer and demand, one would assume than on an information market, new info would make a more desired product than rehashed info, right?

.

Failure of capitalism, I'm telling you

How is that a failure of capitalism? The point of captialism isn't that lies are suppressed. It's that both lies and the truth are offered to the public, and ulimately the truth wins out. IN other words, captitalism's success isn't contingent on this book being published. Rather, it's contingent on another book coming along to set things straight. If in a few years no one balances this out, the lack of such a book might be a failure of capitalism. But the existence of this book is not, in and of itself, an indictement of the capitalism.

May be true, but my point has nothing to do with truth and lies, I wasn't even going there. It's about, as Prince put it once, telling what's already been told and selling what's already been sold, as opposed to innovating with a new (in this case, informational) product that fulfills a vacuum instead of overcrowding a single "space". But on that front as well, things can be corrected I guess, so let's wait and see. Now I was kind of joking anyway about the "failure of capitalism", but there's something wrong (or, at least, remarkably lazy) there, that much I know.

[Edited 9/1/21 5:15am]

Vannormal said:

PennyPurple said:

Excuse me, but LIES are being told, that are easily researched. JJ's stated they found 1000 (s) of pills at PP....umm no they didn't. All that toure had to do is check the investigative files.

Toure didn't even know that Duane wasn't related to Prince? Thankfully Laytonian caught that mistake.

If 1 was writing a book, wouldn't 1 also fact check things? Toure thinks he's an expert on Prince, but I bet you members of this forum have more expertise on Prince than he does.

I said, "I'm over the lies and deceit". If you want to believe and buy into the lies that they are selling, more power to you. These statements that are being published as facts, aren't facts and are easily disproved.

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The one telling more than several lies throughout his own life was Prince himself.

We know that from the facts we all being served fro the last five years since he's gone.

I don't care if Jill Jones said 'a 1000 of pills'. I interpret that as many.

From the pictures of the investigation after Prince was found dead, there were more than one package of pills to be found in more than one picture, go check that.

It also could've been vitamins, i don't know and don't care. That is no what it is about in general.

This is not a book about fact checks, and these kidns of books will never be.

This is abook about personal opinions of those who knew him for a great part of their professional lives, even as friends, or just as aquaintances, whatever. They were there (for some time). I'm interested in their sotries and opinions. Right or wrong.

No one has the factual answers to even more questions regarding all things Prince and certianly concerning his personal life.

But all these 'unfactual, uncontrolable' opinions are interesting thus important imho.

It is the only thing we can get about him.

We will never get a full idea of who he really was. Did he know it himself even? all that religeous disers for answers and his search for truths. That's what it makes all so very damn interesting.

Yes I want to know what everyone has to say that worked for him or with him.

Even if it's not trustworthy. I am capabel of filtering and forming my own opinion.

I refuse to be opinionated berfore I read a book.

Simple.

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I checked them out many times. That's how I know it wasn't 1000 + pills.

As Laytonian also pointed out, Duane was in no way related to Prince.

As an author who was getting ready to publish this book, that took some time to write, wouldn't 1 fact check statements?

This is not just about personal opinions, when they are stated as facts. These are not facts.

don't forget that P had a few associates filling out prescriptions for him. There's the police investigation recording for example of one of his assistants / [chef?] who quit on this basis as she rightly didn't want to be part of that.

The 2 hours of 'gig superstar Prince' we loved on stage was a very different & complex beast when off stage.

BartVanHemelen said:

Relevant Twitter thread by Scott Woods: https://twitter.com/scott...5691954179

Woods's takedown is a thing of beauty. Thanks.

PennyPurple said:

Vannormal said:

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The one telling more than several lies throughout his own life was Prince himself.

We know that from the facts we all being served fro the last five years since he's gone.

I don't care if Jill Jones said 'a 1000 of pills'. I interpret that as many.

From the pictures of the investigation after Prince was found dead, there were more than one package of pills to be found in more than one picture, go check that.

It also could've been vitamins, i don't know and don't care. That is no what it is about in general.

This is not a book about fact checks, and these kidns of books will never be.

This is abook about personal opinions of those who knew him for a great part of their professional lives, even as friends, or just as aquaintances, whatever. They were there (for some time). I'm interested in their sotries and opinions. Right or wrong.

No one has the factual answers to even more questions regarding all things Prince and certianly concerning his personal life.

But all these 'unfactual, uncontrolable' opinions are interesting thus important imho.

It is the only thing we can get about him.

We will never get a full idea of who he really was. Did he know it himself even? all that religeous disers for answers and his search for truths. That's what it makes all so very damn interesting.

Yes I want to know what everyone has to say that worked for him or with him.

Even if it's not trustworthy. I am capabel of filtering and forming my own opinion.

I refuse to be opinionated berfore I read a book.

Simple.

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I checked them out many times. That's how I know it wasn't 1000 + pills.

As Laytonian also pointed out, Duane was in no way related to Prince.

As an author who was getting ready to publish this book, that took some time to write, wouldn't 1 fact check statements?

This is not just about personal opinions, when they are stated as facts. These are not facts.

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Like i said; This book is not about facts to be proved.

It's a complete approach from a (limited) personal point of view - about what people think, how he was when they were with him - at the time.

It is and remains a jubjective portrait or completion if you will of Prince within a specific time frame.

And again, I refuse to be opinionated before I read any book.

Even if it is a shitty written or a truthful relevant book, I'll be the judge of that in the end to have my own opinion.

Simple. Everyone should do that - IMHO.

So, peace to all of us.

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I truly believe that things here on .org can be more peaceful and respectful towards the main subject 'Prince', that no one of us ever was truely personally that close involved with, like those who worked for or with him.

We are all depending on the information we can get from whatever source.

For example, i don't participate in publicaly attacking any members of the Prince camp whatsoever.

I don't see the need for that.

I prefer to distil my own information from what is said, written or asserted.

I will always try to leave the unnecessary reproaches aside.

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Don't y'all get it ?

Prince with his many ramifications, untruths, ambiguities, unsolved mysteries, half-truths, concealed and withheld insights, multiplied with many layered personalities, unclear believes, known fears,

has ensured that we all try to convince each other of our own convinced right with split feelings.

Prince was, is still, complex, unclear.

And I even dare to say it probably was like that for him too.

And thousands of great songs and millions of hours of performances really can't clear that up for no one. But it remains infinitely interesting.

Again, I could be dead wrong about all this.

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[Edited 9/7/21 11:27am]

Genesia said:

BartVanHemelen said:

Relevant Twitter thread by Scott Woods: https://twitter.com/scott...5691954179

Woods's takedown is a thing of beauty. Thanks.

bondno9 said:

PennyPurple said:

Why would anyone want to read a book that is so skewed and full of lies?

And the ASSociates are still lying. Toure didn't check the statements, he took them as fact, and that is what I have a problem with.

He took JJ's words and published them as fact. P didn't have a 1000 pills at PP.

These false statements can be easily checked.

Did he interview M1 or M2, those are the 2 he married and probably knew him the best?

Did he interview anyone from 3rd Eye Girl?

The ones he interviewed hadn't seen him for years (but that didn't stop them from asking him for $$) They seen him at V's funeral.

Hell they even lie about a frickin Lemon Cake.

Just so over all the lies and deceit.

And now all because Toure couldn't do his homework, Prince was nothing but a drug addict, at least that's the story he's pushing.

Leave us fans alone, stop pushing all this false BS, and just let us enjoy the music that is coming out.

A bunch of washed up, bitter nobodies standing in line for a $1

How do you know they're all lies? Was you there?

Can it be an Oral History Of Prince if it's a book? Weird title.

As someone posted above, I don't really want to read more of this kind of publication.

It's not that I need a "puff piece" (there are plenty who think that Prince could do no wrong) or a "hit piece". . . but we all know that Prince was complex and any book about him would be. Just make it honest and well-researched.

I personally would love to hear about his philanthropic works in later years. Stuff like helping out Lauryn Hill, or donating to Yes We Code, or buying a house for a random woman he saw on the news. And with the stipulation that they never mention it was Prince.

toure has always been a narcissistic, lightweight pop culture writer.

i dont get how hes done so well.

so the direction hes taken with this book, from the sounds of it, isnt a great surprise.

BartVanHemelen said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

That's something I wished Sheila E and Morris Day would have gotten into.

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LOL. Sheila won't even explain the lyrics of Love Bizarre. Claims they are too personal.

Apollonia would know!

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

toure has always been a narcissistic, lightweight pop culture writer.

i dont get how hes done so well.

so the direction hes taken with this book, from the sounds of it, isnt a great surprise.

I feel so at home here.