OldFriends4Sale said:

olb99 said:

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Probably hyperbole. Like saying "He started doing hallucinogens with [his then-girlfriend] Ingrid Chavez" when the only thing that's really corroborated is the (well-documented) MDMA/ecstasy incident.

you mean Cat Glover(bandmate), not Ingrid Chavez

Yes, it was Cat BUT we're talking about the article which says Ingrid.

laytonian said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

you mean Cat Glover(bandmate), not Ingrid Chavez

Yes, it was Cat BUT we're talking about the article which says Ingrid.

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Het got the stuff from Cat but Ingrid was the reasonable voice for him?

udo said:

Was the bath incident in one of Per's books?

It's in nearly all reports from that era. I first read it in LET'S GO CRAZY by Alan Light.

Some say he fell ten feet; others say the lightweight tub (which hadn't been fastened down yet for the rehearsal) herely tipped over backwards when he leaned into it.

laytonian said:

udo said:

Was the bath incident in one of Per's books?

It's in nearly all reports from that era. I first read it in LET'S GO CRAZY by Alan Light.

Some say he fell ten feet; others say the lightweight tub (which hadn't been fastened down yet for the rehearsal) herely tipped over backwards when he leaned into it.

I've heard the tipping tub story, and that he was so embarassed he ran off stage, upset and pissed off. It was during a rehearsal. Then Alan talked about how he ran fast, etc etc.

Even if he fell 10 feet, that's bad, but dude wasn't crippled from it. It didn't hurt him enough that he stopped doing the splits, that Detroit Crawl thing, or anything else on the floor ... not until 2000/1.

udo said:

laytonian said:

Yes, it was Cat BUT we're talking about the article which says Ingrid.

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Het got the stuff from Cat but Ingrid was the reasonable voice for him?

I don't think Ingrid really knew much about what he had done. P started calling people, all lovey-dovey and apologizing. He called Susan Rogers to come to Paisley (this was just after she'd quit). IIRC, she arrived, saw Ingrid who pointed her to where P was. He asked/begged her to come back, which she refused to do.

Another report says Keidis (through Cat) instructed P to only take half the dose "since he's so small" but he took the whole thing.

laytonian said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

you mean Cat Glover(bandmate), not Ingrid Chavez

Yes, it was Cat BUT we're talking about the article which says Ingrid.

I know, but they have it wrong. She wasn't his girlfriend either. Some of these people don't seem to do the slightest research.

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I have an article where Ingrid must have read her name in connection and made sure she corrected it

Genesia said:

They captioned a photo of Prince and Jill as "Ingrid Chavez and Prince in 'Graffiti Bridge.'" I mean ...

'Nuff said.

TrivialPursuit said:

laytonian said:

It's in nearly all reports from that era. I first read it in LET'S GO CRAZY by Alan Light.

Some say he fell ten feet; others say the lightweight tub (which hadn't been fastened down yet for the rehearsal) herely tipped over backwards when he leaned into it.

I've heard the tipping tub story, and that he was so embarassed he ran off stage, upset and pissed off. It was during a rehearsal. Then Alan talked about how he ran fast, etc etc.

Even if he fell 10 feet, that's bad, but dude wasn't crippled from it. It didn't hurt him enough that he stopped doing the splits, that Detroit Crawl thing, or anything else on the floor ... not until 2000/1.

Exactly. In fact, he was doing *more* splits during SOTT, Lovesexy and into the Year 2Thousand. I think the last time I saw him do splits was on the 1999-2000 pay per view.

OldFriends4Sale said:

laytonian said:

Yes, it was Cat BUT we're talking about the article which says Ingrid.

I know, but they have it wrong. She wasn't his girlfriend either. Some of these people don't seem to do the slightest research.

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I have an article where Ingrid must have read her name in connection and made sure she corrected it

So many things wrong-inflated-conflated in this Toure publicity campaign that his lazy-ass "research" should be embarrassed. ANY of us could edit that mess.

olb99 said:

This article is badly written, but I don't think it really tells us anything we didn't know about.

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The problem is that the word "drug" in English means very different things. Here, it's used to reference: 1) pain killers 2) MDMA / psilocybin mushrooms, and 3) all kinds of other drugs, including "harder" drugs (e.g. cocaine, etc.). It's not particularly useful to put all those substances in the same bag.

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So, Prince had a bad trip (using mushrooms) when he was young, with Morris. Not a big deal. It happened to millions of people. He took MDMA/ecstasy (with God knows what adulterant) with Ingrid Chavez and it didn't go well. We all know that story. Jill seems to imply that he did that repeatedly. This might be true. Or not. And we all know he was suffering from chronic pain, for various reasons. For that, he took pain killers. Yes, he was addicted to them. But it's not the same as being addicted to cocaine or heroin. He was against those drugs, didn't want people taking them around him, and rightly so.

I don't understand that statement. I'd say that being addicted to opiates in pill form or what have you. is very much life being addicted to heroin.

JudasLChrist said:

olb99 said:

This article is badly written, but I don't think it really tells us anything we didn't know about.

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The problem is that the word "drug" in English means very different things. Here, it's used to reference: 1) pain killers 2) MDMA / psilocybin mushrooms, and 3) all kinds of other drugs, including "harder" drugs (e.g. cocaine, etc.). It's not particularly useful to put all those substances in the same bag.

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So, Prince had a bad trip (using mushrooms) when he was young, with Morris. Not a big deal. It happened to millions of people. He took MDMA/ecstasy (with God knows what adulterant) with Ingrid Chavez and it didn't go well. We all know that story. Jill seems to imply that he did that repeatedly. This might be true. Or not. And we all know he was suffering from chronic pain, for various reasons. For that, he took pain killers. Yes, he was addicted to them. But it's not the same as being addicted to cocaine or heroin. He was against those drugs, didn't want people taking them around him, and rightly so.

I don't understand that statement. I'd say that being addicted to opiates in pill form or what have you. is very much life being addicted to heroin.

"Very much like" is being generous. Heroin and Fentanyl are made of the same shit and have the exact same dangerous and voracious tendency of building addiction very quickly.

laytonian said:

JudasLChrist said:

Wow... I have never seen an article like this about Prince before. Usually everyone associated with hime says that Prince was clean as far as they knew...

Legal drugs do NOT mean you are "dirty".
It only became an issue when doctors started cutting people off and they had to reach out to other sources for the pain relief their brains had become dependent on.

This article has taken reliable statements over the years, confirmed by many, and blown them up into lifelong addiction to illicit drugs.

I don't think any drug means you are "dirty".

laytonian said:

TheEnglishGent said:

That would give a bmi of 25.7, barely in the overweight category and nowhere near obesity, let alone severe obesity. You have to get up to 169 at 5'3" to hit clinically obese.

https://www.nhs.uk/live-w...alculator/

[URL]https://getcalc.com/health-ideal-weight-calculator.htm?gender=male&height=5ft3in[/]

You NEVER saw Prince overweight and near-obese EVER. Only when he was very young, in some of his earliest photos, was he chubby. Maybe 125.
He lost that baby fat quickly once he began performing.

145 pounds is FAT at that height. Fat. I'd call that obese just by looking.

Yes, 145 is overweight and fat. It isn't obese though. You can call it what you want but obesity has a clinical definition.

LoveGalore said:

JudasLChrist said:

I don't understand that statement. I'd say that being addicted to opiates in pill form or what have you. is very much life being addicted to heroin.

"Very much like" is being generous. Heroin and Fentanyl are made of the same shit and have the exact same dangerous and voracious tendency of building addiction very quickly.

But seriously. Prince was not purposely using heroin or fentanyl. He was using opiates with the markings of legitimate drugs.
WHY do you think he asked Dr Schulenberg for an opiate prescription? Because he'd likely had an overdose on/before April 7th and thought that the pills could be compared. THEN, after the OD on April 14th, the Moline hospital pharmacist looked at the pills and deemed them legit.

They were not.
From that point, he had one or two confirmations that the drugs he was taking were safe.
They were not.

You can do all you want to turn him into a raging addict of heroin or fentanyl. It doesn't fly.
Opiates were createdd and sold as NON-addictive and given out in mass quantities for "pain management". My daughter was prescribed them for her migraines. THEN, when it became obvious that the opiates WERE addictive, people using them for their intended purpose were cut off and started seeking other sources. My daughter did not get addicted for many others did, hence the billions in lawsuits.

laytonian said:

Exactly. In fact, he was doing *more* splits during SOTT, Lovesexy and into the Year 2Thousand. I think the last time I saw him do splits was on the 1999-2000 pay per view.

I know there's a video of him doing the splits from 2000 on the Hit N Run tour while he's playing Darling Nikki. I don't know the exact tour date, but I know he had white heels on and a girl dressed like a school girl on stage. That's the last time I recall him doing splits and playing Darling Nikki in full, right before he really removed profanity and the more sexually explicit stuff from concerts

laytonian said:

So many things wrong-inflated-conflated in this Toure publicity campaign that his lazy-ass "research" should be embarrassed. ANY of us could edit that mess.

YES. And I'm pretty pissed off at what Rev members were saying. I tried staying neutral about them, but it's just been one thing after another and I am fed up. They've lost all credibility with me and a lot of other people too

LoveGalore said:

JudasLChrist said:

I don't understand that statement. I'd say that being addicted to opiates in pill form or what have you. is very much life being addicted to heroin.

"Very much like" is being generous. Heroin and Fentanyl are made of the same shit and have the exact same dangerous and voracious tendency of building addiction very quickly.

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Except he didn't take fentanyl intentionally. It was an accidental overdose. As others have said, this article is trash and conflates everything.

olb99 said:

Toure has always been obsessed with painting Prince as a freak. I despise with him a passion

Toure seems like a scumbag. Listening to his podcast about Prince's death brought some tears, but afterward, it felt very manipulative, and like a narrative was being created that wasn't entirely based on the truth. When he said, "Prince's body said 'no mas,'" I got the dry heaves. Don't try to be cute when you're talking about someone's death. Poor, poor taste.

Prince liked pills let's get over it, most people are taking them for emotional pain not physical pain. Michael Jackson got burned Prince fell out of a tub in my opinion both still abusing them for emtional pain. The more that comes out into the light the more people will get better. No shame in getting addicted, only shame in staying addicted.

"An article in the New York Post was brought to my attention yesterday and although I loathe to even give it air, I feel I must put this story to rest once and for all. This article is being shared all over the internet as I type these words. It is not for me that I feel a need to speak out, I know who I am. It is for my children that I set this record straight. I have never done hallucinogenic drugs or any drugs for that matter with Prince. It has been rumored that Prince was on ecstasy the night we met. I don’t know if that is true, because he never mentioned it to me. The work that I did with Prince speaks for itself. I suggest people just listen to his music and remember him in that light."

- Ingrid Chavez

https://www.facebook.com/ingridchavezfan

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SchlomoThaHomo said:

Toure seems like a scumbag. Listening to his podcast about Prince's death brought some tears, but afterward, it felt very manipulative, and like a narrative was being created that wasn't entirely based on the truth. When he said, "Prince's body said 'no mas,'" I got the dry heaves. Don't try to be cute when you're talking about someone's death. Poor, poor taste.

He said what?

TrivialPursuit said:

Garbage article from a garbage source. Prince fell more than a few times on tour. Everyone falls. They don't end up on Fentanyl for the course of their life. The body heals itself. Prince was in his mid-20s, barely, and certainly in amazing shape. It's not like some 300lb football player rammed him on a pitch.

Set your fucking head on fire with 3rd degree burns: that's an excuse to get some hardcore shit.

Technically, I don't think he was dependent on Fentanyl over the course of his life. Wasn't it Percocet or Vicodin that he was relying on for the hip pain? And the problem was that the black market pills were laced with or contained fentanyl -- and it only takes a miniscule amount of that to kill you.

Disclaimer for the fams: I haven't read every page of every medical/police report so please don't come at me if I've slightly mistated something!

Edit: and the NY Post is trash. It's basically a glorified tabloid so lord only knows where they got those quotes. Ingrid's already on FB saying she's never done hallucinogenic drugs or any drugs with Prince.

[Edited 8/25/21 16:37pm]

SchlomoThaHomo said:

FB Post from Ingtid Chavez:

purplethunder3121 said:

FB Post from Ingtid Chavez:

Ingrid Chavez

YstfaaesteSardtsay aatat ...ha efdAMua ·

An article in the New York Post was brought to my attention yesterday and although I loathe to even give it air, I feel I must put this story to rest once and for all. This article is being shared all over the internet as I type these words. It is not for me that I feel a need to speak out, I know who I am. It is for my children that I set this record straight. I have never done hallucinogenic drugs or any drugs for that matter with Prince. It has been rumored that Prince was on ecstasy the night we met. I don’t know if that is true, because he never mentioned it to me. The work that I did with Prince speaks for itself. I suggest people just listen to his music and remember him in that light.

#prince

In the early 90s Ingrid lived near me, and recorded her demo at Underground Studios directly accross the street from my house on 24th and Niccolett. We had a mutual friend who did plenty of acid (as did I), and I thought he'd tripped with her. I'm actually surprised to hear her say she -never- had done hallucinogens.

[Edited 8/26/21 15:31pm]

JudasLChrist said:

purplethunder3121 said:

FB Post from Ingtid Chavez:

Ingrid Chavez

YstfaaesteSardtsay aatat ...ha efdAMua ·

An article in the New York Post was brought to my attention yesterday and although I loathe to even give it air, I feel I must put this story to rest once and for all. This article is being shared all over the internet as I type these words. It is not for me that I feel a need to speak out, I know who I am. It is for my children that I set this record straight. I have never done hallucinogenic drugs or any drugs for that matter with Prince. It has been rumored that Prince was on ecstasy the night we met. I don’t know if that is true, because he never mentioned it to me. The work that I did with Prince speaks for itself. I suggest people just listen to his music and remember him in that light.

#prince

In the early 90s Ingrid lived near me, and recorded her demo at Underground Studios directly accross the street from my house on 24th and Niccolett. We had a mutual friend who did plenty of acid (as did I), and I thought he'd tripped with her. I'm actually surprised to hear her say she -never- had done hallucinogens.

[Edited 8/26/21 15:31pm]

Must admit when I read her quote my first thought was .."well she would say that wouldn't she"!

Guess it's 50/50 ..but understand she needs to clear her name.

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CAT we need U 2 rap !