https://nypost.com/2021/08/23/prince-biography-tells-how-rockers-pill-addiction-began/

Garbage article from a garbage source. Prince fell more than a few times on tour. Everyone falls. They don't end up on Fentanyl for the course of their life. The body heals itself. Prince was in his mid-20s, barely, and certainly in amazing shape. It's not like some 300lb football player rammed him on a pitch.

Set your fucking head on fire with 3rd degree burns: that's an excuse to get some hardcore shit.

"Prince, who weighed around 145 pounds when healthy, was down to around 107 "
Bullshit.

He weighed 113 when he died (coroner). Mayte (in her book) says that they both weighed 118 while she was pregnant.
On a barely 5'3" small-boned frame, 145 pounds would have been severe obesity.

AND, Jill Jones. Where's the report about THOUSANDS of pills around. Thousands?

"So it was a shock to all around him when, around the time of the commercial failure of the 1988 album “Lovesexy,” Prince began taking ecstasy and hallucinogens recreationally, according to a former girlfriend"
UH, no. He took the ectasy (one dose) that Cat Glover got him from Anthony Keidis of the Red Hot Chile Peppers AND THEN cancelled the Black Album. AFTER that, he created the Lovesexy album and tour, which took months of preparation.

Crap article, indeed.

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laytonian said:

"Prince, who weighed around 145 pounds when healthy, was down to around 107 "
Bullshit.

He weighed 113 when he died (coroner). Mayte (in her book) says that they both weighed 118 while she was pregnant.
On a barely 5'3" small-boned frame, 145 pounds would have been severe obesity.

AND, Jill Jones. Where's the report about THOUSANDS of pills around. Thousands?

"So it was a shock to all around him when, around the time of the commercial failure of the 1988 album “Lovesexy,” Prince began taking ecstasy and hallucinogens recreationally, according to a former girlfriend"
UH, no. He took the ectasy (one dose) that Cat Glover got him from Anthony Keidis of the Red Hot Chile Peppers AND THEN cancelled the Black Album. AFTER that, he created the Lovesexy album and tour, which took months of preparation.

Crap article, indeed.

[Edited 8/23/21 16:18pm]

Yeah, they are full of shit.

Toure sure didn't do his homework on this shit. All he had to do is look at the investigative files.

1000's of pills? Give me a break.

Then this:

“I think the thing that controlled him was his drug addiction,” says Wendy Melvoin, Susannah’s twin sister and guitarist for Prince’s band the Revolution.

These folks need to be checked. WTH do they come up with this crap?

See all they do is spout lies, 1000's of pills. OMG

And then this LMAO I thought his fav was LEMON CAKE THAT SHIELA E MADE.

Even in the cocaine-heavy ’80s, Prince would sometimes record in the studio for over 24 hours at a clip fueled not by drugs, but by dessert.

“In his marathon sessions, he would eat cake. He loved, loved, loved cake, mostly vanilla with chocolate frosting,” said Susannah Melvoin, Prince’s one-time fiancée and vocalist in several of his bands.

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PennyPurple said:

laytonian said:

"Prince, who weighed around 145 pounds when healthy, was down to around 107 "
Bullshit.

He weighed 113 when he died (coroner). Mayte (in her book) says that they both weighed 118 while she was pregnant.
On a barely 5'3" small-boned frame, 145 pounds would have been severe obesity.

AND, Jill Jones. Where's the report about THOUSANDS of pills around. Thousands?

"So it was a shock to all around him when, around the time of the commercial failure of the 1988 album “Lovesexy,” Prince began taking ecstasy and hallucinogens recreationally, according to a former girlfriend"
UH, no. He took the ectasy (one dose) that Cat Glover got him from Anthony Keidis of the Red Hot Chile Peppers AND THEN cancelled the Black Album. AFTER that, he created the Lovesexy album and tour, which took months of preparation.

Crap article, indeed.

[Edited 8/23/21 16:18pm]

Yeah, they are full of shit.

Toure sure didn't do his homework on this shit. All he had to do is look at the investigative files.

1000's of pills? Give me a break.

Then this:

“I think the thing that controlled him was his drug addiction,” says Wendy Melvoin, Susannah’s twin sister and guitarist for Prince’s band the Revolution.

These folks need to be checked. WTH do they come up with this crap?

See all they do is spout lies, 1000's of pills. OMG

And then this LMAO I thought his fav was LEMON CAKE THAT SHIELA E MADE.

Even in the cocaine-heavy ’80s, Prince would sometimes record in the studio for over 24 hours at a clip fueled not by drugs, but by dessert.

“In his marathon sessions, he would eat cake. He loved, loved, loved cake, mostly vanilla with chocolate frosting,” said Susannah Melvoin, Prince’s one-time fiancée and vocalist in several of his bands.

[Edited 8/23/21 16:57pm]

He always liked cake. Big Chick's wife made him chocolate chip cakes (from cake mix). One chef quit on him in the mid-1980s because he didn't want gourmet cakes; he wanted cake mix cakes with canned frosting. He ate like a kid. LOL I think he had a way of making women feel special by asking them to do special things (different from the day before). Lemon, chocolate chip, vanilla with chocolate. Susan Rogers also made him cakes, occasionally.

I can see him weighing 125 BUT he was very careful with his weight and his clothing sizes didn't vary much. I'm still imagining him weighing 145. I'm 5'8" and that's MY ideal weight. I wish I weighed that.

As for "drug addiction", we need to start calling that "dependency". There is absolutely NO SHAME or human frailty in beoming dependent on drugs which were initially prescribed and which allow you to continue doing what you love. Then, later, when pain relief became a no-no, many dependent people reached out to unauthorized sources.
It seems to have hit P primarily after about 2000. During Musicology, he had the sit-down acoustic sessions and "played more guitar" because of hip issues. M2 even named his LA supplier.

jfenster said:

What r they starting to promote with this article?

Toure's new book.

Wow... I have never seen an article like this about Prince before. Usually everyone associated with hime says that Prince was clean as far as they knew...

what a sad article

Rubbish article,

digging at the bottom of the barrel to publish something.

They should be interviewing people from April 2016 if they really need to hear the truth.

laytonian said:

"Prince, who weighed around 145 pounds when healthy, was down to around 107 "
Bullshit.

He weighed 113 when he died (coroner). Mayte (in her book) says that they both weighed 118 while she was pregnant.
On a barely 5'3" small-boned frame, 145 pounds would have been severe obesity.

AND, Jill Jones. Where's the report about THOUSANDS of pills around. Thousands?

"So it was a shock to all around him when, around the time of the commercial failure of the 1988 album “Lovesexy,” Prince began taking ecstasy and hallucinogens recreationally, according to a former girlfriend"
UH, no. He took the ectasy (one dose) that Cat Glover got him from Anthony Keidis of the Red Hot Chile Peppers AND THEN cancelled the Black Album. AFTER that, he created the Lovesexy album and tour, which took months of preparation.

Crap article, indeed.

[Edited 8/23/21 16:18pm]

That would give a bmi of 25.7, barely in the overweight category and nowhere near obesity, let alone severe obesity. You have to get up to 169 at 5'3" to hit clinically obese.

https://www.nhs.uk/live-w...alculator/

This article is badly written, but I don't think it really tells us anything we didn't know about.

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The problem is that the word "drug" in English means very different things. Here, it's used to reference: 1) pain killers 2) MDMA / psilocybin mushrooms, and 3) all kinds of other drugs, including "harder" drugs (e.g. cocaine, etc.). It's not particularly useful to put all those substances in the same bag.

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So, Prince had a bad trip (using mushrooms) when he was young, with Morris. Not a big deal. It happened to millions of people. He took MDMA/ecstasy (with God knows what adulterant) with Ingrid Chavez and it didn't go well. We all know that story. Jill seems to imply that he did that repeatedly. This might be true. Or not. And we all know he was suffering from chronic pain, for various reasons. For that, he took pain killers. Yes, he was addicted to them. But it's not the same as being addicted to cocaine or heroin. He was against those drugs, didn't want people taking them around him, and rightly so.

And nobody has a problem with JJ stating they found 1000's of pills? That's not true, look at the investigative files. and Toure published that without even looking at the files, or he just published it, knowing it wasn't true?

I got here after reading https://www.theroot.com/a...39301/amp?

PennyPurple said:

And nobody has a problem with JJ stating they found 1000's of pills? That's not true, look at the investigative files. and Toure published that without even looking at the files, or he just published it, knowing it wasn't true?

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Will it fit my shelf?

Yes, if factuality is already seen as a problem with this book...

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PennyPurple said:

And nobody has a problem with JJ stating they found 1000's of pills?

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Probably hyperbole. Like saying "He started doing hallucinogens with [his then-girlfriend] Ingrid Chavez" when the only thing that's really corroborated is the (well-documented) MDMA/ecstasy incident.

olb99 said:

PennyPurple said:

And nobody has a problem with JJ stating they found 1000's of pills?

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Probably hyperbole. Like saying "He started doing hallucinogens with [his then-girlfriend] Ingrid Chavez" when the only thing that's really corroborated is the (well-documented) MDMA/ecstasy incident.

you mean Cat Glover(bandmate), not Ingrid Chavez

Look, the fact of the matter is that his dependency/addiction was a tragic event not helped by his actions. That's a fact & I've more than accpeted it. He performed like an athlete & had an unmatched work ethic. Therefore the toll on his body was inevitable. Add to that the FACT that he refused to change his heels & those friggin steel supports & contnued to do his jumps , spins n splits = asking for trouble. The hip replacement/s were more than likely the final straw.

The man was in pain, took meds to cope & get through his working days & it caught up with him. Getting staff to fill out fake prescriptions was shocking. 'Just like Elvis' no amount of intervention could stop a stubborn & arrogant spirit. We can bang on about the last few remaining associates not helping i.e. 3rd eye girl members, Kirky J, Phedra [so shady btw!] Meron etc BUT ultimately it was down to him. There are gaps to fill in especially the night of his death but that will come in time.

We love him dearly & if you saw him live at a gig I trust you apprecaite him even more knowling that he was probably perfoming through pain. Saddest part is that he sought help too late & was perhaps a matter of hours from being saved.

There are others on here far better qualified to comment than I who have experienced addiction & dependency.

P....we hope you found your way home brother.

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OldFriends4Sale said:

olb99 said:

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Probably hyperbole. Like saying "He started doing hallucinogens with [his then-girlfriend] Ingrid Chavez" when the only thing that's really corroborated is the (well-documented) MDMA/ecstasy incident.

you mean Cat Glover(bandmate), not Ingrid Chavez

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Oops, right, my bad (https://prince.org/msg/7/461542). Cat provided the MDMA/ecstasy. He met Ingrid that night. So, yeah, Jill is probably only repeating stories she heard...

They captioned a photo of Prince and Jill as "Ingrid Chavez and Prince in 'Graffiti Bridge.'" I mean ...

JudasLChrist said:

Wow... I have never seen an article like this about Prince before. Usually everyone associated with hime says that Prince was clean as far as they knew...

Legal drugs do NOT mean you are "dirty".
It only became an issue when doctors started cutting people off and they had to reach out to other sources for the pain relief their brains had become dependent on.

This article has taken reliable statements over the years, confirmed by many, and blown them up into lifelong addiction to illicit drugs.

TheEnglishGent said:

laytonian said:

"Prince, who weighed around 145 pounds when healthy, was down to around 107 "
Bullshit.

He weighed 113 when he died (coroner). Mayte (in her book) says that they both weighed 118 while she was pregnant.
On a barely 5'3" small-boned frame, 145 pounds would have been severe obesity.

AND, Jill Jones. Where's the report about THOUSANDS of pills around. Thousands?

"So it was a shock to all around him when, around the time of the commercial failure of the 1988 album “Lovesexy,” Prince began taking ecstasy and hallucinogens recreationally, according to a former girlfriend"
UH, no. He took the ectasy (one dose) that Cat Glover got him from Anthony Keidis of the Red Hot Chile Peppers AND THEN cancelled the Black Album. AFTER that, he created the Lovesexy album and tour, which took months of preparation.

Crap article, indeed.

[Edited 8/23/21 16:18pm]

That would give a bmi of 25.7, barely in the overweight category and nowhere near obesity, let alone severe obesity. You have to get up to 169 at 5'3" to hit clinically obese.

https://www.nhs.uk/live-w...alculator/

[URL]https://getcalc.com/health-ideal-weight-calculator.htm?gender=male&height=5ft3in[/]

You NEVER saw Prince overweight and near-obese EVER. Only when he was very young, in some of his earliest photos, was he chubby. Maybe 125.
He lost that baby fat quickly once he began performing.

145 pounds is FAT at that height. Fat. I'd call that obese just by looking.

PennyPurple said:

And nobody has a problem with JJ stating they found 1000's of pills? That's not true, look at the investigative files. and Toure published that without even looking at the files, or he just published it, knowing it wasn't true?

I stated a huge problem with that "thousands" bullshit.
I think we who've read the investigative reports know a hell of a lot more than associates with embroidered memories.
I'm more surprised at Morris Hayes' suggestion about rehab than anything else, though. I think Morris got talking, made a supposition, and it also got embroidered.

udo said:

PennyPurple said:

And nobody has a problem with JJ stating they found 1000's of pills? That's not true, look at the investigative files. and Toure published that without even looking at the files, or he just published it, knowing it wasn't true?

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Will it fit my shelf?

Yes, if factuality is already seen as a problem with this book...

[Edited 8/24/21 5:14am]

Mine is too late to cancel so I'll just put it next to Neal Karlen's book of fantasies.

Was the bath incident in one of Per's books?