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Thread started 08/04/21 4:11am

Mackopolis44

Anyone else feeling guilt?

I have thoroughly enjoyed Welcome 2 America! A great album that has its own identity which definitely fits into the legacy of Prince.
However, I know that Prince chose not to release it. That's where my feelings of guilt come in. I know that he said that 'someone will release' the vault recordings 'when I'm gone' and it was joyful to hear a 'new' Prince album (yes I know 3 songs were familiar) but did Prince deserve someone drilling a hole into the vault after he was gone?
Equally, his legacy is being kept in the spotlight by these releases so I feel that this is important which justifies the drilling and plundering.
I feel like the estate are being responsible about the way they are releasing material in a measured approach. I am certainly enjoying their style of drip feeding material and hope that they don't give in to pressure and speed up their releases. Does anyone else feel a bit guilty?
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Reply #1 posted 08/04/21 4:29am

NouveauDance

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No.

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He said himself that unreleased music would be released after he'd gone, he knew this and chose not to make provisions for it, thus we assume he was ok with it, or at least didn't care enough to do anything about it. Ergo, enjoy the music guilt-free.

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Reply #2 posted 08/04/21 4:35am

Mackopolis44

NouveauDance said:

No.


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He said himself that unreleased music would be released after he'd gone, he knew this and chose not to make provisions for it, thus we assume he was ok with it, or at least didn't care enough to do anything about it. Ergo, enjoy the music guilt-free.


Fair enough, I mean, I'm not flagellating or anything 😂🤣😂 just the occasional pause for thought 🤔
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Reply #3 posted 08/04/21 4:50am

KoolEaze

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If he didn´t want us to hear what´s in the vault, then he would´ve destroyed the material he didn´t want us to hear or see, simple as that. And like you said above, he said someone would release it one day after he´s gone.

" I´d rather be a stank ass hoe because I´m not stupid. Oh my goodness! I got more drugs! I´m always funny dude...I´m hilarious! Are we gonna smoke?"
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Reply #4 posted 08/04/21 5:07am

Mackopolis44

KoolEaze said:

If he didn´t want us to hear what´s in the vault, then he would´ve destroyed the material he didn´t want us to hear or see, simple as that. And like you said above, he said someone would release it one day after he´s gone.


Aye, good point. Do you think he destroyed a lot of material? I remember the story about the original Wally vocals. It's an interesting time 👍👍
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Reply #5 posted 08/04/21 5:13am

Se7en

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I don't feel any guilt, but I do wonder about quality control. I feel that the Estate had this album more or less ready-to-go (with some finalizing to it), the material was relevant to 2021, and they jumped on it.

Prince would shelve things and revisit them later. Half of Graffiti Bridge was recorded around 1999, for example. But, Prince wouldn't just pull them from the shelf and release them as-is. He would rework those songs and make them sound current.

For all we know, Prince may have included a few of those songs on an upcoming project, but reworked with the "New Minneapolis Sound".

But, W2A is now canon in the discography. Take it or leave it. Still better than Planet Earth and Newpower Soul.

I can't imagine trying to keep the Estate flush with cash is an easy task. The endgame is to monetize EVERYTHING. If there is valid music in the Vault to be released, they will release it. If doing re-issues is a short-term influx of cash with minimal effort, they'll do that. Eventually that might even mean the closure of Paisley Park if money isn't coming in.

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Reply #6 posted 08/04/21 5:14am

KoolEaze

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Mackopolis44 said:

KoolEaze said:

If he didn´t want us to hear what´s in the vault, then he would´ve destroyed the material he didn´t want us to hear or see, simple as that. And like you said above, he said someone would release it one day after he´s gone.

Aye, good point. Do you think he destroyed a lot of material? I remember the story about the original Wally vocals. It's an interesting time 👍👍

I really don´t know but I was wondering about that, too while typing my post above.

In the late 90s he was very, very strict regarding his JW beliefs.

But I don´t know if he was zealous enough to destroy any of the old tapes. I guess not. I hope not.

" I´d rather be a stank ass hoe because I´m not stupid. Oh my goodness! I got more drugs! I´m always funny dude...I´m hilarious! Are we gonna smoke?"
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Reply #7 posted 08/04/21 5:17am

Se7en

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KoolEaze said:

If he didn´t want us to hear what´s in the vault, then he would´ve destroyed the material he didn´t want us to hear or see, simple as that. And like you said above, he said someone would release it one day after he´s gone.


I don't see it this way. I see the Vault as Prince's own analog/digital scrapbook. If Prince had a sound in his mind that he could capture in the moment, he did it. With the idea of going back and revisiting ideas later.

He wrote once that all of his songs were like his "children", and that everything he did came from God. So destroying that stuff might fall into that belief system, which is why he kept most of it.

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Reply #8 posted 08/04/21 5:47am

TheEnglishGent

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No guilt, I want more music. In ten more years, how many more people will there be still alive and able to shell out £150 on SDE sets? Get it out now! #freethevault.

RIP sad
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Reply #9 posted 08/04/21 6:34am

nayroo2002

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i know what you mean.

Except for the pre-released tracks, i haven't heard the album yet.

...and it's been sitting in front of me since Friday...

"Whatever skin we're in
we all need 2 b friends"
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Reply #10 posted 08/04/21 7:09am

LoveGalore

What? Hell no.
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Reply #11 posted 08/04/21 7:10am

Mackopolis44

nayroo2002 said:

i know what you mean.


Except for the pre-released tracks, i haven't heard the album yet.


...and it's been sitting in front of me since Friday...


Oh no..... I'm nowhere near feeling guilty enough to avoid listening! It's a great album and bluray, enjoy it!
It's nice to see I'm not the only one who's reflecting. It's equally great to hear others points of view. Cheers 😎✌🎹
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Reply #12 posted 08/04/21 8:05am

lion88

No, he kept the music in the vault and was fully aware that someday someone would release it.

I think he also mentioned this in interviews. And I like the music and it also honors the great musicians who contributed like Tal Wilkenfeld.

[Edited 8/4/21 8:08am]

[Edited 8/4/21 8:08am]

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Reply #13 posted 08/04/21 11:30am

Astasheiks

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NouveauDance said:

No.

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He said himself that unreleased music would be released after he'd gone, he knew this and chose not to make provisions for it, thus we assume he was ok with it, or at least didn't care enough to do anything about it. Ergo, enjoy the music guilt-free.

nod eye eye prince wildsign nod yes

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Reply #14 posted 08/04/21 12:28pm

RJOrion

Guilt?...No ... because i dont steal it, i pay for it...end of story.
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Reply #15 posted 08/04/21 1:21pm

nayroo2002

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RJOrion said:

Guilt?...No ... because i dont steal it, i pay for it...end of story.

In the end, we all pay, my friend.

"Whatever skin we're in
we all need 2 b friends"
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Reply #16 posted 08/04/21 1:59pm

TraSoul82

Guilty my ass. I paid for all 2 weeks that lotusflow3r.com was up. And I STILL want my t-shirt after hearing this lazy effort.

This was shelved because our was subpar. It seems to have been released because the living artists want to get paid. I guess that's fair. I'm not hear to spread negative energy. But I'm already ready for the next release. So, guilty? No. Underwhelmed? Definitely.
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Reply #17 posted 08/04/21 2:04pm

Mackopolis44

TraSoul82 said:

Guilty my ass. I paid for all 2 weeks that lotusflow3r.com was up. And I STILL want my t-shirt after hearing this lazy effort.

This was shelved because our was subpar. It seems to have been released because the living artists want to get paid. I guess that's fair. I'm not hear to spread negative energy. But I'm already ready for the next release. So, guilty? No. Underwhelmed? Definitely.

Someone need a hug? Slow down and take the view in 👌✌🎹
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Reply #18 posted 08/04/21 2:18pm

TraSoul82

Nah, I'm good. Album was full of rehashed riffs and is way too reliant on potential ear worms. Lyrically, it was way too on the money for someone who is usually remarkably clever.

He remade "On the Couch" without exactly remaking it.

He also remade D'angelo's "Lady" without exactly remaking it.

Y'all know I'm not lying. I'm sure I'll raise the score later as usual, but not by much.
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Reply #19 posted 08/04/21 3:25pm

KoolEaze

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TraSoul82 said:

Nah, I'm good. Album was full of rehashed riffs and is way too reliant on potential ear worms. Lyrically, it was way too on the money for someone who is usually remarkably clever. He remade "On the Couch" without exactly remaking it. He also remade D'angelo's "Lady" without exactly remaking it. Y'all know I'm not lying. I'm sure I'll raise the score later as usual, but not by much.

I can´t stand "On the Couch" and I love "Lady" but where do you hear those on this album? I don´t hear those influences at all.

" I´d rather be a stank ass hoe because I´m not stupid. Oh my goodness! I got more drugs! I´m always funny dude...I´m hilarious! Are we gonna smoke?"
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Reply #20 posted 08/04/21 4:19pm

GustavoRibas

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NouveauDance said:

No.

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He said himself that unreleased music would be released after he'd gone, he knew this and chose not to make provisions for it, thus we assume he was ok with it, or at least didn't care enough to do anything about it. Ergo, enjoy the music guilt-free.

Exactly how I feel

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Reply #21 posted 08/04/21 4:49pm

jfenster

Only mistake he made was not providing the money generated by his vault to go-to charities
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Reply #22 posted 08/04/21 5:13pm

SquirrelMeat

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I always wished he'd left one instruction. That the entire vault would be released immediately, for free. With one simple message.

'All of this and more, is for U, with love, sincerity and deepest care, My life with U I share. Welcome to the dawn'.

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Reply #23 posted 08/04/21 7:49pm

toejam

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I don't feel guilty for the same reasons others have said. He didn't leave a will. So presumably his view was that whatever happens, happens.

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Reply #24 posted 08/04/21 10:06pm

EddieC

I didn't feel very guilty when he was alive and I listened to recordings that had leaked, while he still was here and told us not to listen to them. Since he seemed okay with the idea that the vault would be released by "someone" after he died (or at least resigned to that idea), I'm certainly not going to feel guilty about it now.

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Reply #25 posted 08/05/21 6:37am

coldcoffeeandc
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I did initially, then I thought about it some more and came to the conclusion that it was inevitable. I paid tens of thousands when he was alive fir tours, merch, albums, travel.. I figured it all balances out.

We all have. We're on the org for a reason. We love our dearly departed prince
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Reply #26 posted 08/05/21 6:38am

Rimshottbob

Nope.

As much as I love Prince, when he was alive I wanted to hear everything, whether he wanted it released or not. That just goes double now he's gone.

Of course, I'd rather he was here, but that ain't happening any time soon.

No guilt. In the slightest.

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Reply #27 posted 08/05/21 6:59am

DarkKnight1

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Nope
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Reply #28 posted 08/05/21 8:12am

Cinny

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No guilt. I saw him on Welcome 2 (Canada) tour, and would have bought this back then if he had promoted even one song on it. (All he did was release "Extralovable 2011" and play all his hits)

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Reply #29 posted 08/05/21 10:54am

KoolEaze

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SquirrelMeat said:

I always wished he'd left one instruction. That the entire vault would be released immediately, for free. With one simple message.

'All of this and more, is for U, with love, sincerity and deepest care, My life with U I share. Welcome to the dawn'.

That´s actually a wonderful idea.

" I´d rather be a stank ass hoe because I´m not stupid. Oh my goodness! I got more drugs! I´m always funny dude...I´m hilarious! Are we gonna smoke?"
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