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Thread started 07/28/21 6:29am

KoolEaze

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Neal Karlen thinks Prince wouldn´t want Welcome 2 America to be released

"The quite talented Morris Hayes produced the album—something Prince never allowed anyone else to do," Karlen continues, recalling how the artist even insisted on producing his own work as an unknown teen.

He adds: "So that anybody—even the talented Morris Hayes—would be listed as the 'producer' of a 'Prince' album? Now I'm sure it will be a very good album. It just won't be a Prince album. There is a reason he shelved it, and there is a reason he didn't play a single song from it in concert, ever."

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While Karlen believes the album won't have a negative impact on Prince's legacy—citing the posthumous success enjoyed by such musicians as Buddy Holly, Biggie Smalls and Tupac Shakur—he predicts there will be many more to come.

"His death... was indeed a good career move," says Karlen. "Sales went up 44,000 percent that first week, with four of the top ten billboard slots his old records. Still, you know how few records he was selling to have gone up 44,000 percent?"

With the star's vault being moved from his native Minnesota to Los Angeles, Karlen told Newsweek he foresees the estate "putting out Prince records as long as they have enough bubble gum and Elmer's glue to paste together tracks"

Full article: https://www.newsweek.com/...4IVlyjuvcI

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Reply #1 posted 07/28/21 6:35am

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eek "putting out Prince records as long as they have enough bubble gum and Elmer's glue to paste together tracks" lol

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Reply #2 posted 07/28/21 6:45am

RODSERLING

Wait, what - that crap is not even produced by Prince?
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Reply #3 posted 07/28/21 7:18am

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Sorry, but I don't tend to listen to the opinions of pathological liars.

Morris Hayes co-produced the album, something Prince already did with Kirk Johnson on Emancipation and later with Joshua Welton on HitNRun Phase 1. As both these albums were officially released by Prince, Karlen's point is moot.
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Reply #4 posted 07/28/21 7:28am

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Hell, Prince didn't want those mega albums released. He was embarrassed by how great the stuff in the vault was and how inferior his new stuff was.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #5 posted 07/28/21 7:32am

Milty2

If W2A is all about satisfying the IRS (as he says here), I don't really have a problem with it. If that tax bill is not dealt with, Paisley Park goes away along with all the contents. I suspect the IRS will have very little sympathy if that is the case.

The silver lining here is that the bill gets dealt with and the fans get new music. Stop moaning, Neal.

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Reply #6 posted 07/28/21 8:33am

PURPLEIZED3121

Little shit!

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Reply #7 posted 07/28/21 9:02am

TheEnglishGent

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KoolEaze said:

"The quite talented Morris Hayes produced the album—something Prince never allowed anyone else to do," Karlen continues, recalling how the artist even insisted on producing his own work as an unknown teen.

He adds: "So that anybody—even the talented Morris Hayes—would be listed as the 'producer' of a 'Prince' album? Now I'm sure it will be a very good album. It just won't be a Prince album. There is a reason he shelved it, and there is a reason he didn't play a single song from it in concert, ever."

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While Karlen believes the album won't have a negative impact on Prince's legacy—citing the posthumous success enjoyed by such musicians as Buddy Holly, Biggie Smalls and Tupac Shakur—he predicts there will be many more to come.

"His death... was indeed a good career move," says Karlen. "Sales went up 44,000 percent that first week, with four of the top ten billboard slots his old records. Still, you know how few records he was selling to have gone up 44,000 percent?"

With the star's vault being moved from his native Minnesota to Los Angeles, Karlen told Newsweek he foresees the estate "putting out Prince records as long as they have enough bubble gum and Elmer's glue to paste together tracks"

Full article: https://www.newsweek.com/...4IVlyjuvcI

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This chap needs to search out AOA and Hit 'N Run One.

Welcome 2 America, Hot Summer, Same Page Different Book and Check The Record have been played live, according to princevault. I've certainly heard a boot with Check The Record on it. Now, I'm not suggestig they were played regularly. But this review states that they weren't played, ever.

But is it really surprising that he didn't play unreleased songs very often? How many hundreds of songs are there in the vault which have never been played live?

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Reply #8 posted 07/28/21 9:08am

EmmaMcG

Given that I'm not Prince I won't pretend to know whether he would want this album released or not. My guess, based on what we do know, would be that he would NOT want it released. Not because someone else co-produced it though. I'd say he might have seen it as too much of a political statement from a JW. Again, I don't know this to be true. But I'd guess that to be more likely than the alternative theory put forth by Neal Karlin.


HOWEVER, I will also state that, as a fan, I couldn't give two fucks about whether or not Prince would want it released. The fact is that it IS being released and I AM buying it. And I will buy every album the estate choose to put out just as long as I like the music on it.


And if Prince really, REALLY didn't want these things released after he was gone, he'd have destroyed them. He didn't do that though. Which leads me to believe that while he may not have wanted to release some stuff during his lifetime, he probably didn't give a fuck what happened after his death.
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Reply #9 posted 07/28/21 9:36am

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I was talking to my mum about this earlier, and told her how he said something along the lines of the vault will be opened and his unreleased music set free into the world once he's gone/in time, in at least two different interviews (I think The View 2012 was one of them). If he's sat there in an interview saying his unreleased music will all come out eventually, surely that constitutes that he does want it all to come out, or he doesn't mind it being released at the very least??

eye dont think U heard me . . .
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Reply #10 posted 07/28/21 9:44am

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Im just going to roll with this.





At the same time, Welcome 2 America does what Prince’s former output does not. It’s pre-woke wokeness at its best, a searing and tender yet direct critique of the United States, created during the first two years of Barack Obama’s presidency. Long-time fans, such as Dr. Christopher Smith, a research associate at the Centre for Ethics at the University of Toronto, think the decision to hold the record back is a reflection of Prince’s social acumen. He “checked the collective temperature of the nation and decided to not discount the historic moment,” Smith says. Much of the U.S. was still celebrating its first Black president. “Prince didn’t want to rain on the parade,” says Smith. “Having an African-American president had very material manifestations where people were actually feeling a certain kind of hope. I can completely understand why Prince was like, ‘Yeah, now is not the time.’ ”

https://www.macleans.ca/c...ous-album/
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Time keeps on slipping into the future...


This moment is all there is...
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Reply #11 posted 07/28/21 10:09am

Empress

If Prince had've had a will, this wouldn't even be a question, but he didn't so the estate can do whatever they like. I'm still at a loss as to how Prince thought NOT having a will was a good thing. It's very irresponsible. Just sayin.

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Reply #12 posted 07/28/21 10:59am

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Please discuss in existing sticky, where this was already raised: https://prince.org/msg/7/...&pg=12

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