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*Spoiler Warning* Prince and the Parade / SOTT era studio sessions.

Hi everyone. Since Duane Tudahl's new book has been released today I thought I'd start a discussion thread for anyone who is reading it.

I'm about to start reading it now and will make notes as I go along.

Looking forward to reading what you think about it. What are the most exciting facts and stories it contains in your opinion?

Have a great day everyone, and thank you to Duane for this incredible piece of work.
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Reply #1 posted 06/10/21 2:02am

udo

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Reading now.

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.
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Reply #2 posted 06/10/21 2:25am

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Started reading the ebook a few days ago, just got to the part where the Revolution record Empty Room.

It always boggles my mind to think a few weeks after he finished the Purple Rain tour he started recording Parade, ATWIAD was his only 80's album not to get a full tour to promote it so it sort of got lost between the two albums. Some of the info about the end of the Purple Rain tour is interesting. He really did not stop working at this time!

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Reply #3 posted 06/10/21 4:14am

LoveGalore

Knew I should've ordered on Amazon, lol.
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Reply #4 posted 06/10/21 10:16am

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Mine just got delivered and I'm about to start reading now!
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Reply #5 posted 06/10/21 11:12am

soladeo1

It's amazing that Prince recorded Hey Hannigan right after he laid down the basic tracks for Kiss.

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Reply #6 posted 06/10/21 1:04pm

antonb

Amazon have just emailed me to tell me they are struggling to get the book to me!

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Reply #7 posted 06/10/21 3:52pm

tab32792

I paid for and ordered it but I’ll be waiting a while since it’s from him and not Amazon. A link for the PDF is floating though
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Reply #8 posted 06/10/21 4:46pm

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i have to hold in a giggle everytime i read that prince's original version was issued on the 2019 posthumous compilation originals

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Reply #9 posted 06/10/21 10:00pm

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lustmealways said:

i have to hold in a giggle everytime i read that prince's original version was issued on the 2019 posthumous compilation originals


Likewise.

Speaking of remixes, I'm facinated by all the mixes of early songs he commisioned during this era.

Always cry 4 love, never cry 4 pain.
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Reply #10 posted 06/11/21 4:20am

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Just finished the book. Really gives an amazing view of what his life was like at that time. 1986 really was quite a tumultuous year for him and pretty much everyone around him.
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Reply #11 posted 06/11/21 5:14am

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Loving it so far. I like the info about the lyrics to "I Wonder U" given by Jerome. I didn't know that.

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Reply #12 posted 06/11/21 8:22am

LoveGalore

I wish he gave a PDF copy to people who ordered from him. Or that the release date was pushed until after he had books to sign in hand. Omg the anticipation.
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Reply #13 posted 06/11/21 9:04am

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Hope I can get my hands on it soon.

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"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves.
And wiser people so full of doubts"
(Bertrand Russsell 1872-1972)
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Reply #14 posted 06/11/21 9:57am

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Wait...my order is still showing rehearse date June 24 on Amazon. Why can’t I buy the digital copy now then though?
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Reply #15 posted 06/11/21 11:08am

Romeoblu

My copy is on order with Amazon.

Are there any previously unknown songs detailed
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Reply #16 posted 06/11/21 11:22am

tab32792

This is a great book overall. I’m at September 86 already. I will definitely give it that. Despite my usual gripes with the usual players and the psychoanalysis, it’s fantastic. It documents almost all of his studio sessions. All of his tour stops. His schedule. What he used in a lot of cases and puts in perspective of how hard he worked. How great he was and how nobody can fuck with him
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Reply #17 posted 06/11/21 11:46am

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rlittler81 said:

Just finished the book. Really gives an amazing view of what his life was like at that time. 1986 really was quite a tumultuous year for him and pretty much everyone around him.


From everything I've heard, I consider 1986 his best year musically. Does that come across in the book? Like how prolific was he at this time, and are all the studio sessions documented or are there gaps?

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Reply #18 posted 06/11/21 12:13pm

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fortuneandserendipity said:

From everything I've heard, I consider 1986 his best year musically. Does that come across in the book? Like how prolific was he at this time, and are all the studio sessions documented or are there gaps?

there are assuredly gaps because he cannot put in any information that he has learnt via his... partnership with the prince estate.

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Reply #19 posted 06/11/21 12:21pm

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fortuneandserendipity said:



rlittler81 said:


Just finished the book. Really gives an amazing view of what his life was like at that time. 1986 really was quite a tumultuous year for him and pretty much everyone around him.


From everything I've heard, I consider 1986 his best year musically. Does that come across in the book? Like how prolific was he at this time, and are all the studio sessions documented or are there gaps?


I think they’re pretty much all in there, Duane makes a few educated guesses here and there.

The impression I got was that he was almost impulsed to be in the studio everyday. Like, he didn’t necessarily enjoy it, he just had to do it to get the music out. I think he enjoyed The Flesh and Madhouse sessions as they were more like fun to him. To direct, score and make a film, do live shows, get engaged, create several albums for himself and other artists as well record nearly every day… it’s almost overwhelming to read. It all comes crashing down at the end of the book though. He lost so much by the end of 1986.
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Reply #20 posted 06/11/21 1:48pm

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rlittler81 said:

fortuneandserendipity said:


From everything I've heard, I consider 1986 his best year musically. Does that come across in the book? Like how prolific was he at this time, and are all the studio sessions documented or are there gaps?

I think they’re pretty much all in there, Duane makes a few educated guesses here and there. The impression I got was that he was almost impulsed to be in the studio everyday. Like, he didn’t necessarily enjoy it, he just had to do it to get the music out. I think he enjoyed The Flesh and Madhouse sessions as they were more like fun to him. To direct, score and make a film, do live shows, get engaged, create several albums for himself and other artists as well record nearly every day… it’s almost overwhelming to read. It all comes crashing down at the end of the book though. He lost so much by the end of 1986. [Edited 6/11/21 12:23pm]


Ok, so it sounds like he's not got access to all of the studio logs. Maybe he got a lot of info from interviews with band members, engineers?

When you say 'lost so much' by end of 86, you mean the end of the Revolution and breakup with Susannah Melvoin?

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Reply #21 posted 06/11/21 3:09pm

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lustmealways said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

From everything I've heard, I consider 1986 his best year musically. Does that come across in the book? Like how prolific was he at this time, and are all the studio sessions documented or are there gaps?

there are assuredly gaps because he cannot put in any information that he has learnt via his... partnership with the prince estate.

I recall somewhere in a thread on here a few months ago that Duane has indicated that while there is certain information he cannot share due to his NDA with The Estate, he can still include information that he also obtains from other, corroborative sources a nd will credit it to whomever provided the corroborating information.

I think his NDA prevents him from disclosing information exclusive to The Estate, which may allow him a little bit of a loophole so long as someone outside of The Estate was made privy, can be located, still remembers it, and is willing to disclose...which is just good research/journalistic practice, anyway.

"Trust, but verify" and all...

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Reply #22 posted 06/11/21 3:11pm

LoveGalore

strongoxman1 said:



lustmealways said:




fortuneandserendipity said:


From everything I've heard, I consider 1986 his best year musically. Does that come across in the book? Like how prolific was he at this time, and are all the studio sessions documented or are there gaps?



there are assuredly gaps because he cannot put in any information that he has learnt via his... partnership with the prince estate.



I recall somewhere in a thread on here a few months ago that Duane has indicated that while there is certain information he cannot share due to his NDA with The Estate, he can still include information that he also obtains from other, corroborative sources a nd will credit it to whomever provided the corroborating information.

I think his NDA prevents him from disclosing information exclusive to The Estate, which may allow him a little bit of a loophole so long as someone outside of The Estate was made privy, can be located, still remembers it, and is willing to disclose...which is just good research/journalistic practice, anyway.

"Trust, but verify" and all...

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It sounds like a bizarre scenario. I wonder why the estate would treat studio session information that way.
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Reply #23 posted 06/11/21 3:21pm

laytonian

LoveGalore said:

strongoxman1 said:

I recall somewhere in a thread on here a few months ago that Duane has indicated that while there is certain information he cannot share due to his NDA with The Estate, he can still include information that he also obtains from other, corroborative sources a nd will credit it to whomever provided the corroborating information.

I think his NDA prevents him from disclosing information exclusive to The Estate, which may allow him a little bit of a loophole so long as someone outside of The Estate was made privy, can be located, still remembers it, and is willing to disclose...which is just good research/journalistic practice, anyway.

"Trust, but verify" and all...

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It sounds like a bizarre scenario. I wonder why the estate would treat studio session information that way.


It's not studio sessions, obviously. It's material from the vault.
There were few studio session notes/bills from recordings not at Sunset Sound.

Welcome to "the org", laytonian… come bathe with me.
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Reply #24 posted 06/11/21 3:33pm

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this is beyond duane's control i'm sure and i don't blame him for wanting to do another book (or even more books after this for that matter!) but the nature of a book like this directly conflicts with the direction the estate wants to take. it's like actual academic and thorough understanding from a historical view v.s. the estate's smoke and mirrors mystery bullshit. this is kind of off topic, but it's always just disappointing to remember how little anyone with any say actually gives a shit about doing justice to his recording history, though that's not a slight at duane because he's a good soul and does the best he can given the circumstances.

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Reply #25 posted 06/11/21 4:08pm

MendesCity

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My husband actually remembered how excited I was about this and bought it for my birthday! (still waiting for delivery). Now I have to get crafty for his birthday!

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Reply #26 posted 06/11/21 4:33pm

soladeo1

Any song titles no ones ever heard about??
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Reply #27 posted 06/11/21 4:39pm

LoveGalore

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Any song titles no ones ever heard about??


I don't pay attention much, but I'd never noticed that Sheila E borrowed that Lemon Cake title from a Prince song. And Wendy's characterization of the writing of SISIA.
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Reply #28 posted 06/11/21 4:53pm

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rlittler81 said:

fortuneandserendipity said:



rlittler81 said:


Just finished the book. Really gives an amazing view of what his life was like at that time. 1986 really was quite a tumultuous year for him and pretty much everyone around him.


From everything I've heard, I consider 1986 his best year musically. Does that come across in the book? Like how prolific was he at this time, and are all the studio sessions documented or are there gaps?


I think they’re pretty much all in there, Duane makes a few educated guesses here and there.

The impression I got was that he was almost impulsed to be in the studio everyday. Like, he didn’t necessarily enjoy it, he just had to do it to get the music out. I think he enjoyed The Flesh and Madhouse sessions as they were more like fun to him. To direct, score and make a film, do live shows, get engaged, create several albums for himself and other artists as well record nearly every day… it’s almost overwhelming to read. It all comes crashing down at the end of the book though. He lost so much by the end of 1986.
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And yet he gained so much. He took control of his career again. Starting working alone again. That’s what got him his record deal. Not fiancées or band members. He also got a new and much improved band behind him. It’s more of a rebirth than a swan song
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Reply #29 posted 06/11/21 7:33pm

playtime92

I understand Duane's NDA means he can't talk about stuff that isn't independently sourced, but two omissions from the book that are (allegedly) known about: the work on 'my baby knows' with Jill Jones in 1985, and the rerecording of Katrina's Paper Dolls with Lisa and her sister that had been dated to March 86. Didn't see them mentioned in the book
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