Vannormal said:

lavendardrummachine said:

MoodyBlumes said:

It was always a B film - which doesn't mean 'bad'. Al Magnoli had just graduated from film school, Prince and Bob Cavallo financed it, nobody had acted -- Warner's eventually bought the film from Prince and Bob Cavallo, but this doesn't mean it was no longer a B film. The film was great and did very well, that isn't the issue.

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You just described an independent/arthouse film.

A b movie means it was meant to be the second film in a double feature. They're exploitation films more often than not.

Warners put out the film, it was not art house. And double feature films haven't been in vogue since the 50s.

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Also has nothing to do with Vanity's role in Last Dragon being discredited -- whether she previously did B films or not, she did not steal apple's part. Purple Rain won an Oscar for the music, not for applesauce's acting.

Thinking about this interview a bit more . . . Apollonia is quoted as:

- Writing Manic Monday
- Writing The Glamorous Life
- Writing Next Time Wipe The Lipstick Off Your Collar
- Writing Mia Bocca
- Inspiring the When Doves Cry scream
- Suggesting the lace eye covering for Computer Blue
- Having styled Sheila E.'s entire look for her first album

- Having the lead female role in The Last Dragon (before Vanity stole it)
- Having the lead female role in Graffiti Bridge, but didn't do it

She was also off by one album when asked which Van Halen album was being recorded in '83/'84.

Se7en said:

Thinking about this interview a bit more . . . Apollonia is quoted as:

- Writing Manic Monday
- Writing The Glamorous Life
- Writing Next Time Wipe The Lipstick Off Your Collar
- Writing Mia Bocca
- Inspiring the When Doves Cry scream
- Suggesting the lace eye covering for Computer Blue
- Having styled Sheila E.'s entire look for her first album

- Having the lead female role in The Last Dragon (before Vanity stole it)
- Having the lead female role in Graffiti Bridge, but didn't do it

She was also off by one album when asked which Van Halen album was being recorded in '83/'84.

Where was her husnab while she was dating David Lee? She was married 1980 - 85.

MoodyBlumes said:

And double feature films haven't been in vogue since the 50s.

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Way to miss a point. Double features today are just two headline films, no b movies.

You've gone into hating territory, so it's not worth bothering.

lavendardrummachine said:

MoodyBlumes said:

And double feature films haven't been in vogue since the 50s.

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Way to miss a point. Double features today are just two headline films, no b movies.

You've gone into hating territory, so it's not worth bothering.

I've also been thinking about the interview some more. While I think that Patty is sincere in her beliefs and what she says.. it just emphasises that Prince was a manipulator. There have been several people that believe that they inspired/co-wrote songs. Probably not least because that's what Prince told them. He was basically bigging them up. Made them feel talented as fuck.

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At the same time, he did take inspiration from any and everything around them, so the stories, phrases and words that people used/told came back in what he wrote.

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In this case, it seems like Patty believed some white lies Prince told her and probably misremembered some other things. I'm sure the Mia Bocca lyrics story is about In A Spanish Villa (I wish I could get an instrumental version of that song!)

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There's a long history of conflicting stories about songs from the Prince camp, not least from Prince himself. I guess he thought it helped the mystique and I'm sure it wasn't bad to keep people motivated if they felt more ownership of whatever project Prince had them be the face of.

mediumdry said:

I've also been thinking about the interview some more. While I think that Patty is sincere in her beliefs and what she says.. it just emphasises that Prince was a manipulator. There have been several people that believe that they inspired/co-wrote songs. Probably not least because that's what Prince told them. He was basically bigging them up. Made them feel talented as fuck.

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At the same time, he did take inspiration from any and everything around them, so the stories, phrases and words that people used/told came back in what he wrote.

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In this case, it seems like Patty believed some white lies Prince told her and probably misremembered some other things. I'm sure the Mia Bocca lyrics story is about In A Spanish Villa (I wish I could get an instrumental version of that song!)

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There's a long history of conflicting stories about songs from the Prince camp, not least from Prince himself. I guess he thought it helped the mystique and I'm sure it wasn't bad to keep people motivated if they felt more ownership of whatever project Prince had them be the face of.

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100 % Agree !

Couldn't have said it any better.

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MoodyBlumes said:

so I went to the RIAA database looked up Apollonia 6 and got no results -- but when I typed in Vanity 6, the album's 1985 gold certification came up -- see for yourself: https://www.riaa.com/gold-platinum/?tab_active=default-award&se=vanity+6#search_section

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I mean, who cares? She's not up on her record sales. Someone with a mean girls nickname for her on the internet is fact checking her trivia,and forgetting her vocals appear on Purple Rain.

I don't see a single person saying she's 100% irrefutable and infallable. You're not upset because you're really worried about Prince's intellectual property, I mean, really.

lavendardrummachine said:

MoodyBlumes said:

so I went to the RIAA database looked up Apollonia 6 and got no results -- but when I typed in Vanity 6, the album's 1985 gold certification came up -- see for yourself: https://www.riaa.com/gold-platinum/?tab_active=default-award&se=vanity+6#search_section

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I mean, who cares? She's not up on her record sales. Someone with a mean girls nickname for her on the internet is fact checking her trivia,and forgetting her vocals appear on Purple Rain.

I don't see a single person saying she's 100% irrefutable and infallable. You're not upset because you're really worried about Prince's intellectual property, I mean, really.

When your property is stolen, we'll join you in saying 'who cares'. And why not credit Picasso's maid for his art while we're at it -- we'll get Moma to interview her for hours. Why are you commenting, and listening to the interview if you don't care -- ah right, you didn't.

She is not up on her record sales because there are none.

Graycap23 said:

Se7en said:

Thinking about this interview a bit more . . . Apollonia is quoted as:

- Writing Manic Monday
- Writing The Glamorous Life
- Writing Next Time Wipe The Lipstick Off Your Collar
- Writing Mia Bocca
- Inspiring the When Doves Cry scream
- Suggesting the lace eye covering for Computer Blue
- Having styled Sheila E.'s entire look for her first album

- Having the lead female role in The Last Dragon (before Vanity stole it)
- Having the lead female role in Graffiti Bridge, but didn't do it

She was also off by one album when asked which Van Halen album was being recorded in '83/'84.

Where was her husnab while she was dating David Lee? She was married 1980 - 85.

While married, Apple told Dave that Prince wouldn't allow her to see him during the filming and rollout of Purple Rain, and David said of course, it's Prince... and don't worry, I have plenty of women to tide me over while you do your thing.

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MoodyBlumes said:

lavendardrummachine said:

When your property is stolen,

She is not up on her record sales because there are none.

Prince's property wasn't stolen.

She appears on a platinum selling record.

The hysteria is a bit much.

lavendardrummachine said:

MoodyBlumes said:

When your property is stolen,

She is not up on her record sales because there are none.

Prince's property wasn't stolen.

She appears on a platinum selling record.

The hysteria is a bit much.

Clearly can't get enough. Don't worry, when someone claims your property as their own, remember it doesn't matter. Run along and watch those 12 Falconcrest episodes apple appeared in, and then you can spin the one song she (co) wrote after her 15 minutes with Prince. And do let her know where her platinum award for the A6 album is -- she's looking for it. Funny she's been in the entertainment industry for years and is only searching for these things now.

MoodyBlumes said:

Clearly can't get enough. Don't worry, when someone claims your property as their own, remember it doesn't matter.

You said that already. The hate is going to consume you.

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lavendardrummachine said:

MoodyBlumes said:

Clearly can't get enough. Don't worry, when someone claims your property as their own, remember it doesn't matter.

You said that already. The hate is going to consume you.

[Edited 6/4/21 1:43am]

Why so desperate? And you are the love machine?

This entire interivew is a joke.

• She starts saying the piano in the room is the piano used on Purple Rain. Purple Rain was recorded in the live mobile truck at 1st Ave; only the string overdubs were done later at Sunset.
  
  
• She wrote Glam Life and Manic Monday???? Songs that were recorded in FULL (and we have the files) before she came on the scene? Yeah.
  
  
• She wrote the "Spanish" lyrics to Mia Bocca? Which are in Italian???? And no, she's not conusing with with In A SPanish Villa, because her story about the Mexican restaurant is basically her trying to re-tell the real story that Jill has told about theym calling an Italian restaurant when they were working on Mia Bocca.

Any real Prince fan can see the obvious bullshit throughout.

GaryMF said:

This entire interivew is a joke.

• She starts saying the piano in the room is the piano used on Purple Rain. Purple Rain was recorded in the live mobile truck at 1st Ave; only the string overdubs were done later at Sunset.
  
  
• She wrote Glam Life and Manic Monday???? Songs that were recorded in FULL (and we have the files) before she came on the scene? Yeah.
  
  
• She wrote the "Spanish" lyrics to Mia Bocca? Which are in Italian???? And no, she's not conusing with with In A SPanish Villa, because her story about the Mexican restaurant is basically her trying to re-tell the real story that Jill has told about theym calling an Italian restaurant when they were working on Mia Bocca.

Any real Prince fan can see the obvious bullshit throughout.

Wait, we have the Vanity 6 version of Manic Monday?? I only knew a few elites had a *good* copy of the A6 version that was almost released!

strongoxman1 said:

GaryMF said:

This entire interivew is a joke.

• She starts saying the piano in the room is the piano used on Purple Rain. Purple Rain was recorded in the live mobile truck at 1st Ave; only the string overdubs were done later at Sunset.
  
  
• She wrote Glam Life and Manic Monday???? Songs that were recorded in FULL (and we have the files) before she came on the scene? Yeah.
  
  
• She wrote the "Spanish" lyrics to Mia Bocca? Which are in Italian???? And no, she's not conusing with with In A SPanish Villa, because her story about the Mexican restaurant is basically her trying to re-tell the real story that Jill has told about theym calling an Italian restaurant when they were working on Mia Bocca.

Any real Prince fan can see the obvious bullshit throughout.

Wait, we have the Vanity 6 version of Manic Monday?? I only knew a few elites had a *good* copy of the A6 version that was almost released!

According to Brenda Bennett, Manic Monday was a Vanity 6 song. When Vanity left, Prince gave the demo with her vocals to apple to overdub. I think some folks need to realize that just because we don't have a bootleg or copy of something, doesn't mean it never existed. Prince recorded all the time -- Dylan sometime wrote on toilet paper. Brenda was there. Regardless, apple never co-wrote the song -- didn't even pay for her studio time.

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GaryMF said:

This entire interivew is a joke.

• She starts saying the piano in the room is the piano used on Purple Rain. Purple Rain was recorded in the live mobile truck at 1st Ave; only the string overdubs were done later at Sunset.
  
  
• She wrote Glam Life and Manic Monday???? Songs that were recorded in FULL (and we have the files) before she came on the scene? Yeah.
  
  
• She wrote the "Spanish" lyrics to Mia Bocca? Which are in Italian???? And no, she's not conusing with with In A SPanish Villa, because her story about the Mexican restaurant is basically her trying to re-tell the real story that Jill has told about theym calling an Italian restaurant when they were working on Mia Bocca.

Any real Prince fan can see the obvious bullshit throughout.

Yes, anyone with intelligence can see the interview is a joke -- self promotion based on the convenient fact that Prince is gone. Sunset Sound must be desperate for clicks.

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For Purple Rain, Prince created a new master in the studio, the album is not a live recording of the First Avenue show -- he did all the overdubs himself, except strings. So the record is by and large Prince playing all the instruments. This is according to Duane Tudahl's book with studio session notes.

The only song I can find by apple - lyrics (producer Ish) on her lone solo album.

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'Since I Fell for You' - appears to take it's title from Bonnie Raitt's 1971 song, which is sublime, unlike this one.

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Since I Fell for You

Apollonia-Since I Fell Fo... - YouTube

Everytime I see you I lose control

Everytime you touch me you free my soul

Break down the distance, there’s no resistance

My anticipation needs your hole (?)

I’m past the point of no return

The beating of your heart is all I yearn

Loving is easy, since I fell for you

Can’t fight the feeling that I have for you, since I fell for you

… other words...

Nobody knows me the way you do

I’m past the point of no return

The beating of your heart is all I yearn

Loving is easy, since I fell for you

Dreaming is easy, since I fell for you

Loving is easy, since I fell for you

Can’t fight the feeling that I have for you, since I fell for you

I’m past the point of no return

The beating of your heart is all I yearn

Loving is easy, since I fell for you

Dreaming is easy, since I fell for you

Loving is easy, since I fell for you

Can’t fight the feeling that I have for you, since I fell for you

[Edited 6/6/21 13:27pm]

Manic Monday

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Six o'clock already
I was just in the middle of a dream
I was kissin' Valentino
By a crystal-blue, Italian stream

But I can't be late
'Cause then I guess I just won't get paid
These are the days
When you wish your bed was already made

It's just another manic Monday (Woah, woah)
I wish it was Sunday (Woah, woah)
'Cause that's my fun day (Woah, woah, woah, woah)
My I don't have to run day (Woah, woah)
It's just another manic Monday

Have to catch an early train
Got to be to work by nine
And if I had an aeroplane
I still couldn't make it on time

'Cause it takes me so long (Oh, oh)
Just to figure out what I'm gonna wear
Blame it on the train
But the boss is already there

It's just another manic Monday (Woah, woah)
I wish it was Sunday (Woah, woah)
'Cause that's my fun day (Woah, woah, woah, woah)
My I don't have to run day (Woah, woah)
It's just another manic Monday

Of all my nights
Why did my lover have to pick last night
To get down?
(Last night, last night)
Doesn't it matter
That I have to feed the both of us?
Employment's down

He tells me in his bedroom voice
C'mon honey, let's go make some noise
Time it goes so fast
(When you're having fun)

It's just another manic Monday (Woah, woah)
I wish it was Sunday (Woah, woah)
'Cause that's my fun day (Woah, woah, woah, woah)
My I don't have to run day (Woah, woah)

It's just another manic Monday (Woah, woah)
I wish it was Sunday (Woah, woah, woah, woah)
'Cause that's my fun day (Woah, woah)
It's just another manic Monday

Glamorous Life

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She wears a long fur coat of mink
Even in the summer time
Everybody knows from the coy little wink
The girl's got a lot on her mind
She's got
Big thoughts
Big dreams
And a big brown Mercedes sedan
What I think this girl
She really wants is to be in love with a man
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She wants to lead the glamorous life
She don't need a man's touch
She wants to lead the glamorous life
Without love it ain't much

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She saw him standing in the section marked
"If you have to ask, you can't afford it" lingerie (Lingerie)
She threw him bread and said "Make me scream"
In the dark, what could he say? (What could he say?)
Boys with small talk and small minds
Really don't impress me in bed
She said "I need a man's man baby"
Diamonds and furs
Love would only conquer my head

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She wants to lead the glamorous life
She don't need a man's touch
She wants to lead the glamorous life
Without love it ain't much
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They made haste in the brown sedan
They drove to 55 Secret Street
They made love and by the seventh wave
She knew she had a problem
She thought real love is real scary
Money only pays the rent
Love is forever, that's all your life
Love is heaven sent
It's glamorous

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Lead the glamorous life
She don't need a man's touch
She wants to lead the glamorous life
Without love it ain't much, it ain't much
She wants to lead the glamorous life
She don't need a man's touch
She wants to lead the glamorous life
Without love it ain't much, it ain't much
Lead the glamorous life
She don't need a man's touch
She wants to lead the glamorous life
Without love it ain't much, it ain't, ain't, ain't much

[Edited 6/6/21 13:34pm]

Meh

MoodyBlumes said:

GaryMF said:

This entire interivew is a joke.

• She starts saying the piano in the room is the piano used on Purple Rain. Purple Rain was recorded in the live mobile truck at 1st Ave; only the string overdubs were done later at Sunset.
  
  
• She wrote Glam Life and Manic Monday???? Songs that were recorded in FULL (and we have the files) before she came on the scene? Yeah.
  
  
• She wrote the "Spanish" lyrics to Mia Bocca? Which are in Italian???? And no, she's not conusing with with In A SPanish Villa, because her story about the Mexican restaurant is basically her trying to re-tell the real story that Jill has told about theym calling an Italian restaurant when they were working on Mia Bocca.

Any real Prince fan can see the obvious bullshit throughout.

Yes, anyone with intelligence can see the interview is a joke -- self promotion based on the convenient fact that Prince is gone. Sunset Sound must be desperate for clicks.

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For Purple Rain, Prince created a new master in the studio, the album is not a live recording of the First Avenue show -- he did all the overdubs himself, except strings. So the record is by and large Prince playing all the instruments. This is according to Duane Tudahl's book with studio session notes.

I have to find my book I think I put it in sotrage when I moved. Is Duane saying just the vocal tracks remain from the mobile recording of the song Purple Rain? he replayed all the rhythm tracks??

GaryMF said:

This entire interivew is a joke.

• She starts saying the piano in the room is the piano used on Purple Rain. Purple Rain was recorded in the live mobile truck at 1st Ave; only the string overdubs were done later at Sunset.
  
  
• She wrote Glam Life and Manic Monday???? Songs that were recorded in FULL (and we have the files) before she came on the scene? Yeah.
  
  
• She wrote the "Spanish" lyrics to Mia Bocca? Which are in Italian???? And no, she's not conusing with with In A SPanish Villa, because her story about the Mexican restaurant is basically her trying to re-tell the real story that Jill has told about theym calling an Italian restaurant when they were working on Mia Bocca.

Any real Prince fan can see the obvious bullshit throughout.

The Piano overdubs were done at a studio. Yes on the rest, though. Apples seems to be a toxic character.

MoodyBlumes said:

GaryMF said:

This entire interivew is a joke.

• She starts saying the piano in the room is the piano used on Purple Rain. Purple Rain was recorded in the live mobile truck at 1st Ave; only the string overdubs were done later at Sunset.
  
  
• She wrote Glam Life and Manic Monday???? Songs that were recorded in FULL (and we have the files) before she came on the scene? Yeah.
  
  
• She wrote the "Spanish" lyrics to Mia Bocca? Which are in Italian???? And no, she's not conusing with with In A SPanish Villa, because her story about the Mexican restaurant is basically her trying to re-tell the real story that Jill has told about theym calling an Italian restaurant when they were working on Mia Bocca.

Any real Prince fan can see the obvious bullshit throughout.

Yes, anyone with intelligence can see the interview is a joke -- self promotion based on the convenient fact that Prince is gone. Sunset Sound must be desperate for clicks.

.

For Purple Rain, Prince created a new master in the studio, the album is not a live recording of the First Avenue show -- he did all the overdubs himself, except strings. So the record is by and large Prince playing all the instruments. This is according to Duane Tudahl's book with studio session notes.

The guitar solo, and the vocal are from the First Avenue show, at the very least .

JudasLChrist said:

MoodyBlumes said:

Yes, anyone with intelligence can see the interview is a joke -- self promotion based on the convenient fact that Prince is gone. Sunset Sound must be desperate for clicks.

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For Purple Rain, Prince created a new master in the studio, the album is not a live recording of the First Avenue show -- he did all the overdubs himself, except strings. So the record is by and large Prince playing all the instruments. This is according to Duane Tudahl's book with studio session notes.

The guitar solo, and the vocal are from the First Avenue show, at the very least .

Here's what Tudahl's book says about the Sept 13/83 studio session (1pm - 12:30am):

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"Now that he had wrapped up work on 'Baby I'm a Star', Prince refocused on the title track. For the first time since mid-August, he began adding overdubs to the song. For seven hours he corrected mistakes he heard in the live mix, including rerecording parts of his own solo, which were probably overdubbed during this session. "Prince knows what he wants," explained Peggy McCreary. "Any leader of a band does." Prince was ruthless with anything he felt could be made better, and like he'd done with 'Baby I'm a Star', and other songs from the live August benefit show, he replaced parts recorded by the band members with his own."

MoodyBlumes said:

JudasLChrist said:

The guitar solo, and the vocal are from the First Avenue show, at the very least .

Here's what Tudahl's book says about the Sept 13/83 studio session (1pm - 12:30am):

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"Now that he had wrapped up work on 'Baby I'm a Star', Prince refocused on the title track. For the first time since mid-August, he began adding overdubs to the song. For seven hours he corrected mistakes he heard in the live mix, including rerecording parts of his own solo, which were probably overdubbed during this session. "Prince knows what he wants," explained Peggy McCreary. "Any leader of a band does." Prince was ruthless with anything he felt could be made better, and like he'd done with 'Baby I'm a Star', and other songs from the live August benefit show, he replaced parts recorded by the band members with his own."

Is this implying that on all 3 "live" tracks he completely replaced all the Revolution tracks (i.e. none of the keys or drums or bass are from the show?) or that he just fixed the mistakes?

I wonder why she never did anything with her "award winning poetry?"