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Thread started 04/10/21 5:55pm

mechanicalemot
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In The Vault According To Joe

I was just watching the Joe Budden Podcast and he claims to have heard that allegedly Prince recorded an album that he put in the vault with the instructions that it not be released until 20yrs after his death.

Does anyone have any info on this?

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Reply #1 posted 04/10/21 10:46pm

milesb

I've often thought Prince was capable of keeping back a killer album, one which he considers to be his best work, only to be released posthumously. Wouldnt surprise me at all if he wanted to remind the world of his brilliance 20 years after his death. If true I'd also bet it sounds fresh upon it's release.

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Reply #2 posted 04/10/21 11:06pm

Vannormal

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milesb said:

I've often thought Prince was capable of keeping back a killer album, one which he considers to be his best work, only to be released posthumously. Wouldnt surprise me at all if he wanted to remind the world of his brilliance 20 years after his death. If true I'd also bet it sounds fresh upon it's release.

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Sorry, I don't want to sound rude, but that is plain bullshit.

The guy was desperate for attention and stardom and hits.

Why a constant urge to release albums and single releases ?

Cause he wanted to be heard and accepted and be one of the biggest.

Remember he did not trust anyone !

How many worse than mediocre albums did he release after his popular years ?

All the constant changes of managements, labels, etc ?

And all the efforts and attemps to try to reinvent hiself, and all the attention grabbing changes that constantly went on ?

The countless bad protegées he kept on launching time after time, unsuccesfully ?

The incredible amount of changing looks to stay on top and in the media, etc...

Reeally ?

He must've been the numero uno massochist artist ever out there.

I don't think so.

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If this is true, that he wanted a fininshed album only to be released 20 years after his death,

then it might've been a ''The Black Album'', meaning somewhat 'dirty / naughty' album, recorded later on in his life (for nostalgic reasons?) type of work.

Or an album where he finally had some sane doubt of his (annoying and rediculous) believes.

And still I love this whimsical guy, but by all means, don't expect it'll be a killer album.

We have those already.

Peace though. smile

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"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves.
And wiser people so full of doubts"
(Bertrand Russsell 1872-1972)
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Reply #3 posted 04/11/21 12:39am

udo

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Why 20 years if this is true at all?

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.
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Reply #4 posted 04/11/21 4:07am

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I'd love to do a show or class about this site all I'd need is a dry erase board. And some of those pens.
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Reply #5 posted 04/11/21 5:39am

udo

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heartpeacesheart said:

I'd love to do a show or class about this site all I'd need is a dry erase board. And some of those pens.

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Online event type?

Please count me in.

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.
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Reply #6 posted 04/11/21 6:11am

leecaldon

Vannormal said:

milesb said:

I've often thought Prince was capable of keeping back a killer album, one which he considers to be his best work, only to be released posthumously. Wouldnt surprise me at all if he wanted to remind the world of his brilliance 20 years after his death. If true I'd also bet it sounds fresh upon it's release.

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Sorry, I don't want to sound rude, but that is plain bullshit.

The guy was desperate for attention and stardom and hits.

Why a constant urge to release albums and single releases ?

Cause he wanted to be heard and accepted and be one of the biggest.

Remember he did not trust anyone !

How many worse than mediocre albums did he release after his popular years ?

All the constant changes of managements, labels, etc ?

And all the efforts and attemps to try to reinvent hiself, and all the attention grabbing changes that constantly went on ?

The countless bad protegées he kept on launching time after time, unsuccesfully ?

The incredible amount of changing looks to stay on top and in the media, etc...

Reeally ?

He must've been the numero uno massochist artist ever out there.

I don't think so.

-

If this is true, that he wanted a fininshed album only to be released 20 years after his death,

then it might've been a ''The Black Album'', meaning somewhat 'dirty / naughty' album, recorded later on in his life (for nostalgic reasons?) type of work.

Or an album where he finally had some sane doubt of his (annoying and rediculous) believes.

And still I love this whimsical guy, but by all means, don't expect it'll be a killer album.

We have those already.

Peace though. smile

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Although I highly doubt the '20 year' story, this is an artist who never released tracks like Electric Intercourse, All My Dreams, Moonbeam Levels et al. He held plenty of fantastic stuff back.

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Reply #7 posted 04/11/21 8:52am

kingricefan

I would believe the rumor if it stated 7 or 17 years after his passing...... biggrin

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Reply #8 posted 04/12/21 11:56am

trickster

he forgot the will... wink

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Reply #9 posted 04/12/21 2:40pm

lastdecember

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As soon as I heard Joe Budden and podcast I made my decision that this is BS


"We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F
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Reply #10 posted 04/13/21 8:14am

jfenster

Vannormal said:



milesb said:


I've often thought Prince was capable of keeping back a killer album, one which he considers to be his best work, only to be released posthumously. Wouldnt surprise me at all if he wanted to remind the world of his brilliance 20 years after his death. If true I'd also bet it sounds fresh upon it's release.



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Sorry, I don't want to sound rude, but that is plain bullshit.


The guy was desperate for attention and stardom and hits.


Why a constant urge to release albums and single releases ?


Cause he wanted to be heard and accepted and be one of the biggest.


Remember he did not trust anyone !


How many worse than mediocre albums did he release after his popular years ?


All the constant changes of managements, labels, etc ?


And all the efforts and attemps to try to reinvent hiself, and all the attention grabbing changes that constantly went on ?


The countless bad protegées he kept on launching time after time, unsuccesfully ?


The incredible amount of changing looks to stay on top and in the media, etc...


Reeally ?


He must've been the numero uno massochist artist ever out there.


I don't think so.


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If this is true, that he wanted a fininshed album only to be released 20 years after his death,


then it might've been a ''The Black Album'', meaning somewhat 'dirty / naughty' album, recorded later on in his life (for nostalgic reasons?) type of work.


Or an album where he finally had some sane doubt of his (annoying and rediculous) believes.


And still I love this whimsical guy, but by all means, don't expect it'll be a killer album.


We have those already.


Peace though. smile


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U still wont. belive he left gold in the vault and purposely released sub par material??
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Reply #11 posted 04/13/21 9:06am

udo

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jfenster said:

U still wont. belive he left gold in the vault and purposely released sub par material??

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What facts support that 'theory'?

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.
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Reply #12 posted 04/13/21 8:02pm

Graycap23

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I'll just say this

U can agree.....or U can be pissed

Prince was prolific as hell when he was was walking above ground

Unmatched by anyone around

Prince's material will be prolific as hell when he is no longer hear

Unmatched 4 my taste when all we have left is tears

U folks can speculate until u pass out

But it seems u have never understood

What Prince was About

May U see the Dawn

FOOLS multiply when WISE Men & Women are silent.
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Reply #13 posted 04/14/21 4:43am

Vannormal

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udo said:

jfenster said:

U still wont. belive he left gold in the vault and purposely released sub par material??

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What facts support that 'theory'?

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Exactly !

Come on, there's no artist who purposely wants to do that, or did.

Don't forget that Prince also needed the money for his high end lifestyle(s).

I really don't believe one bit of al this.

Btw, how can you trust Prince on this?

I mean, the same guy released more forgotten albums in the 90's, 00's and on.

And did proove time and time again he so desperate wanted to have a big hit and/or a comeback ;

Emancipation, Rave albums, Musicology, 20TEN, etc

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"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves.
And wiser people so full of doubts"
(Bertrand Russsell 1872-1972)
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Reply #14 posted 04/14/21 4:47am

Vannormal

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Graycap23 said:

I'll just say this

U can agree.....or U can be pissed

Prince was prolific as hell when he was was walking above ground

Unmatched by anyone around

Prince's material will be prolific as hell when he is no longer hear

Unmatched 4 my taste when all we have left is tears

U folks can speculate until u pass out

But it seems u have never understood

What Prince was About

May U see the Dawn

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OMG poetry.

Share whatever you're smoking. wink

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"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves.
And wiser people so full of doubts"
(Bertrand Russsell 1872-1972)
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Reply #15 posted 04/14/21 8:35pm

mechanicalemot
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lastdecember said:

As soon as I heard Joe Budden and podcast I made my decision that this is BS

He's a huge Prince fan...as well as an industry insider who may be privy to information that the general doesn't have access to

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Reply #16 posted 04/15/21 12:37am

SoulAlive

I wonder if it could be ‘The Dawn’? Prince spoke about this album,saying “the world isn’t ready for this”.
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Reply #17 posted 04/15/21 4:54am

jfenster

Howe needs to look for the dawn LP..if it was compiled
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Reply #18 posted 04/15/21 6:04am

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Graycap23 said:

Prince was prolific as hell when he was was walking above ground

Unmatched by anyone around

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LOL

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Reply #19 posted 04/15/21 6:51pm

MoodyBlumes

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Reply #20 posted 04/15/21 8:19pm

SoulAlive

jfenster said:

Howe needs to look for the dawn LP..if it was compiled


I agree.
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Reply #21 posted 04/16/21 12:18am

dustoff

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MoodyBlumes said:

Morris Hayes thoughts:

"TRUTH IN RHYTHM" Quick T... - YouTube


This is great, thanks for posting. I wonder when Prince played Morris these songs -- this interview seems pretty recent, so presumably this music is not among the releases that have been issued since Prince's death ("I only heard it once.")

I always like hearing Morris talk. He was a great asset for Prince for many years, and I think he got even better as time went on.

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Reply #22 posted 04/16/21 1:24pm

MoodyBlumes

dustoff said:

MoodyBlumes said:

Morris Hayes thoughts:

"TRUTH IN RHYTHM" Quick T... - YouTube


This is great, thanks for posting. I wonder when Prince played Morris these songs -- this interview seems pretty recent, so presumably this music is not among the releases that have been issued since Prince's death ("I only heard it once.")

I always like hearing Morris talk. He was a great asset for Prince for many years, and I think he got even better as time went on.

Pleasure... I mean who knows what's in there at the end of the day, but videos like these make me salivate. Jimmy Jam also said something similar about amazing unreleased Time records in the vault. He and Terry approached Prince to produce these and he was apparently open to it. We shall see... Of course for us rabid fans, even Prince's scraps and scratchy demos will do, lol.

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I like hearing from Morris too... he seems sincere and honest, and not looking for an ego boost. I can see why Prince had him around for so long.

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Reply #23 posted 04/16/21 6:35pm

jfenster

Prince said there r unreleased prince and the revolution the time and vanity 6 albums in the vault...why don't u believe him..
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Reply #24 posted 04/16/21 6:48pm

lustmealways

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jfenster said:

Prince said there r unreleased prince and the revolution the time and vanity 6 albums in the vault...why don't u believe him..

because he is a smoke and mirrors man

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Reply #25 posted 04/18/21 7:18am

udo

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lustmealways said:

jfenster said:

Prince said there r unreleased prince and the revolution the time and vanity 6 albums in the vault...why don't u believe him..

because he is a smoke and mirrors man

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Also the 'Estate' does not really communicate well w.r.t. ault contents, planning, etc,.

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.
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Reply #26 posted 04/18/21 8:43am

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Seems just like something someone made up based on the stories about the vastness of the vault. There are bound to be albums he put together that remain (mostly) unreleased... We know there were several projects at various stages that were dropped.

And sure maybe Joe WHO? was told that or heard that? but the person that said it did not have any inside info and was just talking our of the side if their neck.


Heck there may well be vaults of songs they have not found...(he said there are several vaults)

'No amendment is absolute' ~ Joe Biden... even the 13th?
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Reply #27 posted 04/18/21 8:55am

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lustmealways said:

jfenster said:

Prince said there r unreleased prince and the revolution the time and vanity 6 albums in the vault...why don't u believe him..

because he is a smoke and mirrors man

You cannot be serious!

[Edited 4/18/21 8:58am]

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Reply #28 posted 04/18/21 8:56am

MoodyBlumes

OnlyNDaUsa said:

Seems just like something someone made up based on the stories about the vastness of the vault. There are bound to be albums he put together that remain (mostly) unreleased... We know there were several projects at various stages that were dropped.

And sure maybe Joe WHO? was told that or heard that? but the person that said it did not have any inside info and was just talking our of the side if their neck.


Heck there may well be vaults of songs they have not found...(he said there are several vaults)

True

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"The unreleased Prince tracks had many in the audience surprised. Donatella stated, “He sent me those songs five months ago. He sent me music all the time. People look for the vault – I am the vault!”

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Reply #29 posted 04/18/21 10:53am

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Who's Joe Budden?

"Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything." --Plato
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