Barry White after he was castrated had the best falsetto known to man.

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

RODSERLING said:

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

I thought no one would listen to news unless they were huge prince fans

You are wrong, terribly wrong. In France, the most listened to webradio, ERFM, broadcasts a 14 minute song from News at least once every fucking day.

When one can listen to Miles Davis, John Coltrane or Ornette Coleman why in the fvck would someone listen to NEWS? If you want Jazz...Prince ain't the way.

homesquid said:

homesquid said:

RODSERLING said:

funkbabyandthebabysitters said: You are wrong, terribly wrong. In France, the most listened to webradio, ERFM, broadcasts a 14 minute song from News at least once every fucking day.

When one can listen to Miles Davis, John Coltrane or Ornette Coleman why in the fvck would someone listen to NEWS? If you want Jazz...Prince ain't the way.

NEWS is a brilliant listen. It's not all jazz but there are jazz components in it. It's closer to fusion than anything else. I always say this and I always believe it. If you, joe bloggs or anyone else don't listen to, and appreciate all genres then there's something lacking, probably in the temporal lobe.

The only music I've never liked is serialism (even though I like some atonal music) and 'growl' metal, basically any sub-genre of metal where the vocals growl at you. Garage and grime, I can't comment because I've not really heard.

But to answer question, did singing in falsetto limit princes appeal? No. Releasing 'too many albums' was what limited Prince's appeal. If Michael Jackson had released nearly as much, like say 25 albums, people would've got sick of him. Most people tuned out of Prince in the early 90s.

homesquid said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

Come, Chaos & Disorder, Old Friends 4 Sale were all low key releases. Whereas MJ's Dangerous album had so many singles released people lost count. Not even a major P album would've had that many singles. No way would the record company have allowed it. Why? Because an album every year turns off most 'fans'.

wilmer said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

Come, Chaos & Disorder, Old Friends 4 Sale were all low key releases. Whereas MJ's Dangerous album had so many singles released people lost count. Not even a major P album would've had that many singles. No way would the record company have allowed it. Why? Because an album every year turns off most 'fans'.

in a way you are right

unless youre a hardcore fan, an album a year is not something youll be keeping track of or seeking out all the time

unless its the 1960s i think people need time to miss you

and prince wasnt good at letting people miss him

in some ways the way he worked later was better, indie releases every so often, then a major label release every so often too, a sort of 'one for me, one for you' kind of deal

Only to homophobic men, or, homphobic men in denial.

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leadline said:

TrevorAyer said:

Mariah Carey sux but eye still pause and listen when she hit those high notes ... every crappy performance in those wretched tv singing competitions peaks with hitting those high notes ... kiss was like a falsetto on top of a falsetto .. how come u don’t call me would be a snooze without that falsetto .. i cannot see how it ever detracted from his popularity .. unlike his rapping and preachiness which ruined many a great jam and lost many a fan

It detracted because the weak minded get, and got, caught up in societal programming. Their loss......

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

Many ppl, esp white rock fans, do not like falsetto But that has always been a part of male singers in rnb and gospel So I guess that might have been just his singing preference but its also his way of keeping some rnb in his music even when it was a song like when u were mine But I do think yeah, if he really wanted to get a bigger audience, I'd have had done less of that maybe He obv knew it as on purple rain theres less falsetto Same on Atwiad Also parade Sott too

Yes, it absolutely limited his appeal amongst white rock fans. Believe me, i've had that conversation. That's on them though. Same people who are like "i wish he had more guitar and less synths."

RODSERLING said:

ufoclub said:

He started to hit bigger with "Controversy" "Little Red Corvette""1999""Delirious"

Let's Go Crazy, When Doves Cry, Purple Rain, Raspberry Beret, Pop Life, Girls and Boys (I used to hear that on top 40 radio and sung by peeps in the halls), Sign 0' The Times, U Got the Look, Batdance, Alphabet St, Thieves in the Temple, Cream, Get Off, Diamonds and Pearls....

Kiss seems to be his only falsetto mainstream hit am I forgetting something?

I do remember some guys in high school making fun of the falsetto, and they didn't make fun of When Doves Cry.

Controversy and WDC ars in falsetto.

No they are not.

jaawwnn said:

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

Many ppl, esp white rock fans, do not like falsetto But that has always been a part of male singers in rnb and gospel So I guess that might have been just his singing preference but its also his way of keeping some rnb in his music even when it was a song like when u were mine But I do think yeah, if he really wanted to get a bigger audience, I'd have had done less of that maybe He obv knew it as on purple rain theres less falsetto Same on Atwiad Also parade Sott too

Yes, it absolutely limited his appeal amongst white rock fans. Believe me, i've had that conversation. That's on them though. Same people who are like "i wish he had more guitar and less synths."

I wish he could see this! I bet he didn't give a Damn if he didn't please this group of "White Folks"!

Besides he had plenty of Non-Falsetto songs...

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Astasheiks said:

RODSERLING said:

Astasheiks said:

No they are not.

They mostly are dude. Controversy : the verses and the background vocals contains all along of the song voices in falsetto. There s only the part " My father... " That is sang with his deep voice, And even that is disputable since there are screams im falsetto When Doves Cry after the edit version at like 3:30, it s mostly on fsetto with scream amd background vocals. Prince did what MJ did with background vocals, especially after 1987: record 4 voices in falsetto, 4 voices in a "normal" Voice, 4 voices in a deeper tone, 4 voices in another range, etc.

Dude, what the hell? No one (bar you apparently) thinks of that when they think of When Doves Cry. The entire song is sung in a deep voice and then he screams a lot while the music plays out.

jaawwnn said:

RODSERLING said:

jaawwnn said:

Dude, what the hell? No one (bar you apparently) thinks of that when they think of When Doves Cry. The entire song is sung in a deep voice and then he screams a lot while the music plays out.

Seriously, I can be objective since I listened to Prince albums with many haters of his falsetto voice. So, now it s impossible to not hear he sings and screams A LOT in WDC. If it never occured to you, I think YOU have obviously a problem preventing you from hearing his falsetto. And the music " Plays out" As you said, for like 2 minutes, which is not nothing. [Edited 3/23/21 5:24am]

Ask 1000 people to sing When Doves Cry and 999 of them will sing the lyrics starting at the beginning and 1 person (you) will start squealing the last two minutes of the song.

But yes, I concede that objectively speaking there is falsetto on the song, duh.

jaawwnn said:

Being Black limited Prince's appeal.

That is...if u want 2 be real about what the U.S. was when he started out.

They wouldn't evn play Black videos on MTV.

Graycap23 said:

RODSERLING said:

Graycap23 said:

Being Black limited Prince's appeal.

That is...if u want 2 be real about what the U.S. was when he started out.

They wouldn't evn play Black videos on MTV.

You re damn right. In 1983 in the US, nobody even knew who Stevie Wonder, Jimmy Hendrix, Lionel Richie, MJ, Diana Ross, were. It wasn't until MTV they had their first hits in the US. Before that, they were only known in China.

I have no idea what any of that has 2 do with Prince.

None of those people were breaking the barriers that Prince was.

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Graycap23 said:

RODSERLING said:

Graycap23 said:

I have no idea what any of that has 2 do with Prince.

None of those people were breaking the barriers that Prince was.

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You re damn right. In another dimension called The Spooky Zone, Jimmy Hendrix and Sly Stone did Woodstock when Prince was 11, made numerous covers of Rolling Stone. MJ was the first artist ever to have 4 top ten hits with the same album ( Off The Wall). He had a band named the J5 where his 6 first singles were #1 in the US. Diana Ross had like 20 #1s before Prince ever hit the top ten. There was also a guy named James Brown, but he barely deserved to be quoted here. Gladly, here, we have Prince, the only black who ever crossed over.

I'll leave this with the simpleton response above.

Enjoy.

RODSERLING said:

homesquid said:

When one can listen to Miles Davis, John Coltrane or Ornette Coleman why in the fvck would someone listen to NEWS? If you want Jazz...Prince ain't the way.

That s your world, bro. Not everybody lives in your world, I m sorry.

I know many people, musicians among them, that think NEWS is pretty good. Most of them, musicians included, aren't into Prince.

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Astasheiks said:

jaawwnn said:

Yes, it absolutely limited his appeal amongst white rock fans. Believe me, i've had that conversation. That's on them though. Same people who are like "i wish he had more guitar and less synths."

I wish he could see this! I bet he didn't give a Damn if he didn't please this group of "White Folks"!

Besides he had plenty of Non-Falsetto songs...

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Prince really wanted to impress the group of "White Folks". He himself told the record company he didn't want to be labled as a black artist.

Bighead said:

Astasheiks said:

I wish he could see this! I bet he didn't give a Damn if he didn't please this group of "White Folks"!

Besides he had plenty of Non-Falsetto songs...

[Edited 3/22/21 15:49pm]

Prince really wanted to impress the group of "White Folks". He himself told the record company he didn't want to be labled as a black artist.

lol........that isn't why he made that statement.