Noticing the credits list the song as written by Prince Rogers Nelson. It's previously been credited to Prince & The N.P.G. Is the band being cheated out of royalties or have they been bought off?

djThunderfunk said:

Noticing the credits list the song as written by Prince Rogers Nelson. It's previously been credited to Prince & The N.P.G. Is the band being cheated out of royalties or have they been bought off?

C'mon. A ton of shit was credit that way to Prince and the Revolution, but we know The Revolution didn't have shit to do with "The Beautiful Ones" or "Computer Blue," etc. The copyright office will show Prince was the sole writer of "Gett Off." No one's being bought off or cheated.

TrivialPursuit said:

djThunderfunk said:

Noticing the credits list the song as written by Prince Rogers Nelson. It's previously been credited to Prince & The N.P.G. Is the band being cheated out of royalties or have they been bought off?

C'mon. A ton of shit was credit that way to Prince and the Revolution, but we know The Revolution didn't have shit to do with "The Beautiful Ones" or "Computer Blue," etc. The copyright office will show Prince was the sole writer of "Gett Off." No one's being bought off or cheated.

It doesn't matter if Prince wrote the song all by himself or if every member contributed. What matters is that Prince chose to give them credit. They get cowriting credit for the song on the singles, Diamonds & Pearls, The Hits/The B-Sides, The Very Best Of Prince, Ultimate and even on 4Ever. Prince wanted them to share the credit, and presumably royalties along with it. To remove them now is not the right thing to do.

djThunderfunk said:

It doesn't matter if Prince wrote the song all by himself or if every member contributed. What matters is that Prince chose to give them credit. They get cowriting credit for the song on the singles, Diamonds & Pearls, The Hits/The B-Sides, The Very Best Of Prince, Ultimate and even on 4Ever. Prince wanted them to share the credit, and presumably royalties along with it. To remove them now is not the right thing to do.

That's not true, but okay. Just not willing to go down the rabbit hole. And we're talking about a movie credit, not the liner notes of an album. Lotta TV shows use a song and the credits are not on the screen at all. That mean no one gets paid? Of course not.

TrivialPursuit said:

djThunderfunk said:

It doesn't matter if Prince wrote the song all by himself or if every member contributed. What matters is that Prince chose to give them credit. They get cowriting credit for the song on the singles, Diamonds & Pearls, The Hits/The B-Sides, The Very Best Of Prince, Ultimate and even on 4Ever. Prince wanted them to share the credit, and presumably royalties along with it. To remove them now is not the right thing to do.

That's not true, but okay. Just not willing to go down the rabbit hole. And we're talking about a movie credit, not the liner notes of an album. Lotta TV shows use a song and the credits are not on the screen at all. That mean no one gets paid? Of course not.

What is "not true"?

Clearly Prince shared credit for the song on every release. So that's how it should be.

djThunderfunk said:

TrivialPursuit said:

That's not true, but okay. Just not willing to go down the rabbit hole. And we're talking about a movie credit, not the liner notes of an album. Lotta TV shows use a song and the credits are not on the screen at all. That mean no one gets paid? Of course not.

What is "not true"?

Clearly Prince shared credit for the song on every release. So that's how it should be.

The NPG is credited as performer on Prince's version, but it doesn't appear they have a piece of the publishing: https://www.umusicpub.com...-gett-off-

TwiliteKid said:

djThunderfunk said:

What is "not true"?

Clearly Prince shared credit for the song on every release. So that's how it should be.

The NPG is credited as performer on Prince's version, but it doesn't appear they have a piece of the publishing: https://www.umusicpub.com...-gett-off-

Every release credits the composition to Prince & The N.P.G. or Prince And The New Power Generation.

Maybe I was wrong and that credit never amounted to royalties. That's cool. I don't mind being wrong about that.

Still, Prince gave them credit, on every release. The right thing to do would be to continue to credit the song the way Prince chose to credit it.

It's cool if PrinceVault or Tudahl dig deeper and provide correct credits when those listed are not factually accurate.

Other than that though, credit should be given as Prince gave it, even if it doesn't amount to $ in the pockets of the band members.

Just sayin'...

djThunderfunk said:

TwiliteKid said:

The NPG is credited as performer on Prince's version, but it doesn't appear they have a piece of the publishing: https://www.umusicpub.com...-gett-off-

Every release credits the composition to Prince & The N.P.G. or Prince And The New Power Generation.

Maybe I was wrong and that credit never amounted to royalties. That's cool. I don't mind being wrong about that.

Still, Prince gave them credit, on every release. The right thing to do would be to continue to credit the song the way Prince chose to credit it.

It's cool if PrinceVault or Tudahl dig deeper and provide correct credits when those listed are not factually accurate.

Other than that though, credit should be given as Prince gave it, even if it doesn't amount to $ in the pockets of the band members.

Just sayin'...

I get your point, and I agree it would be wrong to re-release Prince's recording without the NPG credit, but this is a different context - if the band aren't on the registration than they wouldn't/shouldn't be listed as authors.

TwiliteKid said:

djThunderfunk said:

Every release credits the composition to Prince & The N.P.G. or Prince And The New Power Generation.

Maybe I was wrong and that credit never amounted to royalties. That's cool. I don't mind being wrong about that.

Still, Prince gave them credit, on every release. The right thing to do would be to continue to credit the song the way Prince chose to credit it.

It's cool if PrinceVault or Tudahl dig deeper and provide correct credits when those listed are not factually accurate.

Other than that though, credit should be given as Prince gave it, even if it doesn't amount to $ in the pockets of the band members.

Just sayin'...

I get your point, and I agree it would be wrong to re-release Prince's recording without the NPG credit, but this is a different context - if the band aren't on the registration than they wouldn't/shouldn't be listed as authors.

I see your point, not sure if I agree completely though. I wonder, did Prince write the flute line on keyboards, or by skat or did Eric come up with it? I could go look it up, but if you already know I would take your word for it.

And OMG can we talk about the fashion?! Off the chain.

djThunderfunk said:

TwiliteKid said:

I get your point, and I agree it would be wrong to re-release Prince's recording without the NPG credit, but this is a different context - if the band aren't on the registration than they wouldn't/shouldn't be listed as authors.

I see your point, not sure if I agree completely though. I wonder, did Prince write the flute line on keyboards, or by skat or did Eric come up with it? I could go look it up, but if you already know I would take your word for it.

That line is pretty simple to play on guitar.

It's just boxed in notes.

TrivialPursuit said:

And OMG can we talk about the fashion?! Off the chain.

Yeah, the clothes were eye-catching!

I did notice the "Puma" logo on alot of the younger attire.

nayroo2002 said:

TrivialPursuit said:

And OMG can we talk about the fashion?! Off the chain.

Yeah, the clothes were eye-catching!

I did notice the "Puma" logo on alot of the younger attire.

Besides the onesie the gal wore during "Gett Off" (which was black and damn near Chiquita yellow, and wasn't lost on me), the dress that Leslie had on at the end, the burnt orange with the train for DAYZ...gheezus.

Really looking forward to seeing this film.

Milty2 said:

OperatingThetan said:

The track is available in full today on streaming services and doesn't feature Prince's vocals at all. Prince isn't credited vocally either. It's simply a cover version. [Edited 3/5/21 7:28am]

Fair enough. It sounds like P's voice but I'll take your word for it.

I think you need to get new ears.

For what it's worth, I really enjoyed the film. It was never going to be a patch on the original nor is it anywhere near as funny, but the way they reprised many of the original characters was done in a really effective manner. Even Double Destiny aka Peaches & Sugar Cube pop up!

jjam said:

Milty2 said:

Fair enough. It sounds like P's voice but I'll take your word for it.

I think you need to get new ears.

For what it's worth, I really enjoyed the film. It was never going to be a patch on the original nor is it anywhere near as funny, but the way they reprised many of the original characters was done in a really effective manner. Even Double Destiny aka Peaches & Sugar Cube pop up!

No I don't need to get new ears. The ones I have work just fine. I heard the brief sample on iTunes and to me it sounded like a manipulation of the Prince vocal track. I have since accepted that that is not the case but you couldn't be bothered to read further or else you would seen that.

Milty2 said:

jjam said:

I think you need to get new ears.

For what it's worth, I really enjoyed the film. It was never going to be a patch on the original nor is it anywhere near as funny, but the way they reprised many of the original characters was done in a really effective manner. Even Double Destiny aka Peaches & Sugar Cube pop up!

No I don't need to get new ears. The ones I have work just fine. I heard the brief sample on iTunes and to me it sounded like a manipulation of the Prince vocal track. I have since accepted that that is not the case but you couldn't be bothered to read further or else you would seen that.

Your ears don't work fine. The sung vocal in the soundtrack is falsetto, Prince's vocal in the original isn't. Even Van Gogh on the left side of his head would have been able to hear that it's not a "manipulation" of the original vocal.

Milty2 said:

funkypixie said:

A dictator from a neighbouring country to Zamunda is offering up his daughter as a potential wife for the long lost son of the Eddie Murphy charcter who is now heir to the throne of Zamunda. She is presented as being willing to be completely subservient to him hence being willing to commit to '22 positions in a one night stand' and to 'only call you after if you say I can'.

[Edited 3/6/21 13:18pm]

Yeah that sounds cringe to me. I mean, knowing that Prince would have never allowed that if he was alive considering how PC he had become on issues about women and race, I don't know why the Estate would allow that. Yes I know, I know, Prince is not around to make those decisions but this feels like regressive move in relation to his catalogue.

I mean, honestly, I love Eddie Murphy. He's one of the greats and a joke is a joke I get it but dude, don't you think that subservient woman thing is a little old now? Unless his character is mature now and he steps in to stop that kind of thing.

[Edited 3/6/21 13:44pm]

Here's an idea - maybe watch the whole film first of all?

Milty2 said:

funkypixie said:

A dictator from a neighbouring country to Zamunda is offering up his daughter as a potential wife for the long lost son of the Eddie Murphy charcter who is now heir to the throne of Zamunda. She is presented as being willing to be completely subservient to him hence being willing to commit to '22 positions in a one night stand' and to 'only call you after if you say I can'.

[Edited 3/6/21 13:18pm]

Yeah that sounds cringe to me. I mean, knowing that Prince would have never allowed that if he was alive considering how PC he had become on issues about women and race, I don't know why the Estate would allow that. Yes I know, I know, Prince is not around to make those decisions but this feels like regressive move in relation to his catalogue.

I mean, honestly, I love Eddie Murphy. He's one of the greats and a joke is a joke I get it but dude, don't you think that subservient woman thing is a little old now? Unless his character is mature now and he steps in to stop that kind of thing.

[Edited 3/6/21 13:44pm]

Or if you remember that in the first movie he didn't want that kind of thing himself. He rejected the woman that liked what he liked and hopped on one leg barking like a dog on his command for a free thinking independent woman. Or, if you watch the new movie and see how things work out and who he passes the crown to in the end, despite tradition and his previous beliefs.

Even in the non-woke 80s the "subservient woman thing" was old, which made it a perfect element to mine for laughs.

jjam said:

Milty2 said:

No I don't need to get new ears. The ones I have work just fine. I heard the brief sample on iTunes and to me it sounded like a manipulation of the Prince vocal track. I have since accepted that that is not the case but you couldn't be bothered to read further or else you would seen that.

Your ears don't work fine. The sung vocal in the soundtrack is falsetto, Prince's vocal in the original isn't. Even Van Gogh on the left side of his head would have been able to hear that it's not a "manipulation" of the original vocal.

In that case, your reading skills are just as lacking as my ears then.

I'm very confised by some of the comments in this thread, that seem to display a lack of even basic sense....

For one, the Gett Off performance is so clearly not Prince I don't know what other words to use to get that point across....

I don't know about who was credited for the use of Gett Off, but it matters little what is actually written in the credits.. whoever is due their royalties will get their royalties.....

Eddie Murphy is known to be a huge Prince fan across the years, so it was clearly a way of paying homage to one of his musical heroes in a fun way that mostly fitted into the plot and did so in a way that clicked with and echoed the style of the original Coming To America.

And for anyone to critcise the music, jokes, plot devices or (small 'p') political stance of the film WITHOUT BOTHERING TO WATCH IT, just beggars belief.

'The subservient woman thing is a little old now?' Oh really, ya think? Well maybe if you bothered to watch the film, you'd see there was more to it than that.....

There's a little thing called conflict that is the engine that makes stories compelling, makes them work.

You have to start with an imperfect world, an obstacle to happiness, that the characters then have to grapple with, in order to grow and hopefully achieve their goals and dreams.

Telling stories where every situation and character is perfect, fine and dandy will equal no stories, no books, no films, no TV very quickly....

Anyway..... I really enjoyed Coming 2 America. As others have said, it wasn't as good as the original, but it's made with such a sense of fun and with a smile on its face, that it just works. It's not cinematic masterpiece, nor is it trying to be... it just wants you to have fun and a few laughs for a couple of hours, and to me and my partner it most certainly succeeded on that front.

Noone mentioned the "CGI-young" Eddie???

Arsenio, too???

nayroo2002 said:

Noone mentioned the "CGI-young" Eddie???

Arsenio, too???

Looked okay!

Milty2 said:

funkypixie said:

A dictator from a neighbouring country to Zamunda is offering up his daughter as a potential wife for the long lost son of the Eddie Murphy charcter who is now heir to the throne of Zamunda. She is presented as being willing to be completely subservient to him hence being willing to commit to '22 positions in a one night stand' and to 'only call you after if you say I can'.

[Edited 3/6/21 13:18pm]

Yeah that sounds cringe to me. I mean, knowing that Prince would have never allowed that if he was alive considering how PC he had become on issues about women and race, I don't know why the Estate would allow that. Yes I know, I know, Prince is not around to make those decisions but this feels like regressive move in relation to his catalogue.

I mean, honestly, I love Eddie Murphy. He's one of the greats and a joke is a joke I get it but dude, don't you think that subservient woman thing is a little old now? Unless his character is mature now and he steps in to stop that kind of thing.

[Edited 3/6/21 13:44pm]

Prince ain't here no more so you gonna see his music performed in stuff whether you like it or not! Get over it, cuz nobody has to honor him at all!

ufoclub said:

TrivialPursuit said:

Milty2 said:

jjam said:

Your ears don't work fine. The sung vocal in the soundtrack is falsetto, Prince's vocal in the original isn't. Even Van Gogh on the left side of his head would have been able to hear that it's not a "manipulation" of the original vocal.

In that case, your reading skills are just as lacking as my ears then.

My reading skills are more than fine. Your ears are fecked.