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Vannormal

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An Honest Man

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Can I get some love for this beautiful mysterious little hymn 'An Honest Man' (of this quite incoherent compilation ''Crystal Ball'').

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I just love this little warm Princely pearl that floats with rhythmless flair.

With the atmospheric background noise that immediately sets the tone and demands full attention.

I do hope there are more versions of this track in the vault, as he did play around with it

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Would love to hear the opening piano version from the 'Under The cherry Moon' movie with vocals.

I dare say it's an absolute A-list track.

And such a gem that did not get all that much attention here on the .org.

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He even could've put it right after ''Life Could Be So Nice'' on the Parade album, blending into ''Venus De Milo.''

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Thoughts anyone ?

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"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves.
And wiser people so full of doubts"
(Bertrand Russsell 1872-1972)
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Reply #1 posted 01/13/21 11:56pm

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Vannormal said:

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Can I get some love for this beautiful mysterious little hymn 'An Honest Man' (of this quite incoherent compilation ''Crystal Ball'').

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I just love this little warm Princely pearl that floats with rhythmless flair.

With the atmospheric background noise that immediately sets the tone and demands full attention.

I do hope there are more versions of this track in the vault, as he did play around with it

-.

Would love to hear the opening piano version from the 'Under The cherry Moon' movie with vocals.

I dare say it's an absolute A-list track.

And such a gem that did not get all that much attention here on the .org.

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He even could've put it right after ''Life Could Be So Nice'' on the Parade album, blending into ''Venus De Milo.''

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Thoughts anyone ?

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Much love for this song/music. My favorite is the instrumental piece at the start of UTCM. The music is integral to the film and has a beautiful message (a pledge to be honest with his true love to stop the lies and harm and to be true to himself if not to his God, cause Prince can shoe horn a reference to his maker in any song.) This of course contracts to the slick and breezy seduction ballad "Do U Lie" which is cleverly worked into Mary Sharons dialogue when Tricky suggests that Christopher is just after her money "You said for 50 million dollars you would certainly consider it.

This is just another gem that makes Prince special to me and others. I like the layered vocal version of Crystal Ball but like the instrumental the best. Their are a couple of versions of him singing it in concert. One is a rushed organ version with vocals. Another has saxophone and is a close second favorite.


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Reply #2 posted 01/14/21 1:24am

LoveGalore

Boggles the mind that he released it in this form though.
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Reply #3 posted 01/14/21 2:51am

NouveauDance

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I love, love, love the UTCM version, but the CB version is just taking the space of something else as far as I'm concerned.

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Reply #4 posted 01/14/21 4:26am

Vannormal

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LoveGalore said:

Boggles the mind that he released it in this form though.

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Me too.

But didn't it had something to do with the fans choice ?

They could choose the songs iirc... or was that for the second planned CB ?

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And wiser people so full of doubts"
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Reply #5 posted 01/14/21 4:35am

Vannormal

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NouveauDance said:

I love, love, love the UTCM version, but the CB version is just taking the space of something else as far as I'm concerned.

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Absolutely !

The piiano version is just about one of his best instrumental (unreleased) songs ever, imho.

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But to say it took up space in that inconsequent compilation is something i don't agree on..

They should've left off all the low point(less) remixes, like Get Loose, Tell Me How U Wanna B Done, Lovesign, P. Control.

To me that album sounds like the worse playlist ever.

The only ''glue'' that keeps this thing together is the fact that they are Prince compositions.

Knowing it was an official release... and 'Kamasutra' oculd've stayed in the vautl for all i care. wink

Still very happy with the other tracks that finally saw the light of day.

Now slap me ! Peace. smile

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And wiser people so full of doubts"
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Reply #6 posted 01/14/21 6:08am

LoveGalore

Vannormal said:



LoveGalore said:


Boggles the mind that he released it in this form though.

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Me too.


But didn't it had something to do with the fans choice ?


They could choose the songs iirc... or was that for the second planned CB ?


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That was for the 2nd planned set. I take it he wanted to show that even this was a real song and not just a piano interlude. In it's form it harkens back to For You as well. But I do think it was a misstep, creatively.
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Reply #7 posted 01/14/21 7:32am

Vannormal

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LoveGalore said:

Vannormal said:

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Me too.

But didn't it had something to do with the fans choice ?

They could choose the songs iirc... or was that for the second planned CB ?

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That was for the 2nd planned set. I take it he wanted to show that even this was a real song and not just a piano interlude. In it's form it harkens back to For You as well. But I do think it was a misstep, creatively.

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Well, then I'm for his most creative and bizarre choices/songs,

missteps if you like. wink

Like 'There's Other's Here With Us' and 'Something In The Water', or 'Life Can B So Nice', etc.

Pop and chart hits was so easy for him to write.

More obscure tracks is also something he needed to let out of him too.

That's more my kind of Prince.

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"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves.
And wiser people so full of doubts"
(Bertrand Russsell 1872-1972)
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Reply #8 posted 01/14/21 8:11am

LoveGalore

Vannormal said:



LoveGalore said:


Vannormal said:


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Me too.


But didn't it had something to do with the fans choice ?


They could choose the songs iirc... or was that for the second planned CB ?


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That was for the 2nd planned set. I take it he wanted to show that even this was a real song and not just a piano interlude. In it's form it harkens back to For You as well. But I do think it was a misstep, creatively.

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Well, then I'm for his most creative and bizarre choices/songs,


missteps if you like. wink


Like 'There's Other's Here With Us' and 'Something In The Water', or 'Life Can B So Nice', etc.


Pop and chart hits was so easy for him to write.


More obscure tracks is also something he needed to let out of him too.


That's more my kind of Prince.


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Oh, no I enjoy the song. But this isn't the definitive version. It's like a snippet. And I think he should've released the full version instead.

Crystal Ball is full of choices like that. As if he didn't really want to hand over the goods but something goods-adjacent. Especially when considering the editing.
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Reply #9 posted 01/14/21 9:25am

steakfinger

I wish it hadn't been brickwalled to the point of digital clipping. It sounds like shit. I hope CB 98 gets released with better mastering. Another track like Honest Man I would LOVE to hear is Second Coming. I've heard crappy crowd recordings of it playing over the PA, but nothing pristine.

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Reply #10 posted 01/14/21 11:38am

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I LOVE the piano piece from UTCM. I was album to convert into into a music file.
The Parade era brought forth some very beautiful pieces

Once upon a time in France


1. Under the Cherry Moon Outro - Piano Instrumental [Intro Voice over]
2. An Honest Man - Piano Instrumental [Titles]

I want 2 be an honest man
I'll be Ur slave, just understand
How much I need U
And if I lie, I'm part of U
This is my crime
I do know laughter, I do know tears
But all is nothing, without U near
We are of 1 soul, and if I die
We'll be together side by side
With U I know that I can stand
With U I can be an honest man

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Reply #11 posted 01/14/21 12:11pm

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The audio rip from UTCM is very listenable and just gorgeous. When listening to music, this is one song I don't skip over.

"I like to watch."
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Reply #12 posted 01/14/21 12:43pm

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why Rod?

SNIP-of4$

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Reply #13 posted 01/14/21 1:09pm

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RODSERLING said:

why Rod?
SNIP-of4$
Do not instigate, engage in, or encourage 'flame wars'

I do. And Faith no More cares a lot as well.


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Reply #14 posted 01/14/21 4:21pm

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yeah u bet we care a lot .. like whose got the bigger vocal range .. mike patton or prince?

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Reply #15 posted 01/14/21 6:25pm

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sulls said:

The audio rip from UTCM is very listenable and just gorgeous. When listening to music, this is one song I don't skip over.

When that movie started and went into the musical piece and it turned orgasmic. I thought "the KID is still in rare form" lol


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Reply #16 posted 01/15/21 1:22am

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steakfinger said:

I wish it hadn't been brickwalled to the point of digital clipping. It sounds like shit. I hope CB 98 gets released with better mastering. Another track like Honest Man I would LOVE to hear is Second Coming. I've heard crappy crowd recordings of it playing over the PA, but nothing pristine.

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It's funny how you basically always reply about the sound quality of things.

Don't get me wrong, it's great to know there are few people like you who notice this.

It's great for those like you who prefere pristine sound.

I for one never hear that much difference, and I do have good stereo equipment and excellent headphones.

Must be my ears.

For me the perfection lies in the creativity and writing of a song.

I can even freak out on an prince song coming from a shitty transitor radio. wink

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And wiser people so full of doubts"
(Bertrand Russsell 1872-1972)
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Reply #17 posted 01/15/21 1:27am

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LoveGalore said:

Vannormal said:

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Well, then I'm for his most creative and bizarre choices/songs,

missteps if you like. wink

Like 'There's Other's Here With Us' and 'Something In The Water', or 'Life Can B So Nice', etc.

Pop and chart hits was so easy for him to write.

More obscure tracks is also something he needed to let out of him too.

That's more my kind of Prince.

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Oh, no I enjoy the song. But this isn't the definitive version. It's like a snippet. And I think he should've released the full version instead. Crystal Ball is full of choices like that. As if he didn't really want to hand over the goods but something goods-adjacent. Especially when considering the editing.

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Let's hope it will be on a Parade SDE box set.

I'm dying to hear that.

it's one of my all time favorite Prince tunes.

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You think it circles amongst the elite few ?

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"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves.
And wiser people so full of doubts"
(Bertrand Russsell 1872-1972)
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Reply #18 posted 01/15/21 4:26am

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Vannormal said:

LoveGalore said:

Vannormal said: Oh, no I enjoy the song. But this isn't the definitive version. It's like a snippet. And I think he should've released the full version instead. Crystal Ball is full of choices like that. As if he didn't really want to hand over the goods but something goods-adjacent. Especially when considering the editing.

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Let's hope it will be on a Parade SDE box set.

I'm dying to hear that.

it's one of my all time favorite Prince tunes.

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You think it circles amongst the elite few ?

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No SDE PARADE this year !

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Reply #19 posted 01/17/21 6:43pm

steakfinger

Vannormal said:



steakfinger said:


I wish it hadn't been brickwalled to the point of digital clipping. It sounds like shit. I hope CB 98 gets released with better mastering. Another track like Honest Man I would LOVE to hear is Second Coming. I've heard crappy crowd recordings of it playing over the PA, but nothing pristine.



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It's funny how you basically always reply about the sound quality of things.


Don't get me wrong, it's great to know there are few people like you who notice this.


It's great for those like you who prefere pristine sound.


I for one never hear that much difference, and I do have good stereo equipment and excellent headphones.


Must be my ears.


For me the perfection lies in the creativity and writing of a song.


I can even freak out on an prince song coming from a shitty transitor radio. wink


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I don’t mind questionable sound quality if the song is great, but my feeling is if you’re going to put it out it might as well not sound any worse than it has to. That’s all. In A Large Room with no light is an all-time favorite and I enjoyed it even in noisy bootleg form. Now that I can listen with clarity I’ll never listen to a bootleg of it again. CB 98 sounds so loud it borders on harsh digital clipping. I would say my listening skills are a little more developed than the average person because of years of making recordings, but that’s doesn’t mean anything. I’m glad you enjoy a song regardless of audio fidelity. I do, too, I just prefer the high fidelity versions because I enjoy hearing everything. For example, I sometimes listen to songs just to focus on a particular drum or cymbal. Hi hats are of special interest. When a recording sounds like there’s a wet blanket on the speaker a lot of audio information I enjoy is lost or muffled to the point of being useless. I love songs AND I love sound quality. I’d probably have more fun if I didn’t care about the details, but it’s too late for me.
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Reply #20 posted 01/18/21 8:38am

Vannormal

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steakfinger said:

Vannormal said:

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It's funny how you basically always reply about the sound quality of things.

Don't get me wrong, it's great to know there are few people like you who notice this.

It's great for those like you who prefere pristine sound.

I for one never hear that much difference, and I do have good stereo equipment and excellent headphones.

Must be my ears.

For me the perfection lies in the creativity and writing of a song.

I can even freak out on an prince song coming from a shitty transitor radio. wink

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I don’t mind questionable sound quality if the song is great, but my feeling is if you’re going to put it out it might as well not sound any worse than it has to. That’s all. In A Large Room with no light is an all-time favorite and I enjoyed it even in noisy bootleg form. Now that I can listen with clarity I’ll never listen to a bootleg of it again. CB 98 sounds so loud it borders on harsh digital clipping. I would say my listening skills are a little more developed than the average person because of years of making recordings, but that’s doesn’t mean anything. I’m glad you enjoy a song regardless of audio fidelity. I do, too, I just prefer the high fidelity versions because I enjoy hearing everything. For example, I sometimes listen to songs just to focus on a particular drum or cymbal. Hi hats are of special interest. When a recording sounds like there’s a wet blanket on the speaker a lot of audio information I enjoy is lost or muffled to the point of being useless. I love songs AND I love sound quality. I’d probably have more fun if I didn’t care about the details, but it’s too late for me.

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I appreciate your post, and actually do agree. smile

I reinvested in a great hi fi system and a wonderfull headphones.

Ever since, I hear more and better stuff tbh. So, it's true.

But still...

I'm left with +7000 vinyls and 4000 CD's.

So, I get up in the morning and put some music on, no radio. And during the day in the office I spin records too (as an architect it is possible to do so. wink )

I'm so used to my collection the way it is... Like to pick an album without looking and put it on.

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Sometimes when I get a present, it's often a remastered version of an album I have.

There my awareness of newer better sound quality got triggered

But the thing is, I'm so hooked on my old stuff, I really don't want to change all that..

Clinging and attached to these huge collected stacks and stacks and lengths of racks filled with music. smile Just don't want to buy everythign in better and new quality.

Plus, I still buy obscure vinyls from the eighties and seventies and even 60's, which quality is often mediocre to sad. But, it's the music that counts, no matter what.

My taste is probably based on nostalgia, there for my hearing as well. lol

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I too listen to music for the same reasons, just a great high hat or another sound that gives me the chills every time I hear it.

And yes, newer remastered versions are a great help for that for sure.

Like the SDE of SOTT is overall pretty awsome for me.

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And I have exactly the same feeling for ''In A Large Room With No Light'' !

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