The gold symbol guitar and black one had terrible sound

,but the white symbol guitar had a great sound,so what was different

,cause the effects were the same?

thebanishedone said:

The gold symbol guitar and black one had terrible sound

,but the white symbol guitar had a great sound,so what was different

,cause the effects were the same?

No difference. I asked Jerry Auerswald and Prince's techs about the guitars in the 90's and Auerswald's original 24 fret version and the late 90's 'Habibi' version are the only symbol guitars with different specs. The 21 fret gold, black and white symbol guitars are all the same.

JorisE73 said:

He was probably just using different pedals

thebanishedone said:

i think that majority of guitar solos on Emancipation is white symbol guitar

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Unless you were in the studio with him, you have zero proof of this.

BartVanHemelen said:

thebanishedone said:

i think that majority of guitar solos on Emancipation is white symbol guitar

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Unless you were in the studio with him, you have zero proof of this.

And you have zero proof or information otherwise.

I love the sound of the gold one, especially during shows and that French TV appearance for "Endorphinmachine."

BartVanHemelen said:

thebanishedone said:

i think that majority of guitar solos on Emancipation is white symbol guitar

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Unless you were in the studio with him, you have zero proof of this.

well you are not a musician so i understand u need a factual proof ,i dont need somebody to tell me

if it's Prince on some instrument and what he is playing as a matter of fact i'm 99% sure The Holy River,One Of Us and Saviour and Somebody's Somebody

are played on white symbol guitar.

Why? because my ear tells me.i don't need other people to tell me

something about Prince like you need Bart Van Halen

TrivialPursuit said:

I love the sound of the gold one, especially during shows and that French TV appearance for "Endorphinmachine."

i agree but usually it's thin,but those examples are a good one

Can't check now to see but was the gold one on the 1994 French TV and reharsal the 24 fret version or the 21 fret version?

thebanishedone said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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Unless you were in the studio with him, you have zero proof of this.

well you are not a musician so i understand u need a factual proof ,i dont need somebody to tell me

if it's Prince on some instrument and what he is playing as a matter of fact i'm 99% sure The Holy River,One Of Us and Saviour and Somebody's Somebody

are played on white symbol guitar.

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Even if you're right, that's 4/36. Try looking up the meaning of "majority".

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Also as has been pointed out earlier in this thread, the gold and white symbol guitars are identical.

BartVanHemelen said:

thebanishedone said:

well you are not a musician so i understand u need a factual proof ,i dont need somebody to tell me

if it's Prince on some instrument and what he is playing as a matter of fact i'm 99% sure The Holy River,One Of Us and Saviour and Somebody's Somebody

are played on white symbol guitar.

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Even if you're right, that's 4/36. Try looking up the meaning of "majority".

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Also as has been pointed out earlier in this thread, the gold and white symbol guitars are identical.

Majority of the songs that have guitar solos played by Prince and that is 6 or 7 songs in totall on Emancipation from 7 songs with guitar solos if 4 have them can we say it's majority of the songs with guitar solos played by Prince? lol

thebanishedone said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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Even if you're right, that's 4/36. Try looking up the meaning of "majority".

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Also as has been pointed out earlier in this thread, the gold and white symbol guitars are identical.

Majority of the songs that have guitar solos played by Prince and that is 6 or 7 songs in totall on Emancipation from 7 songs with guitar solos if 4 have them can we say it's majority of the songs with guitar solos played by Prince? lol

golden rule BVH...DON'T argue with a guitar player! stick to trying to pull P apart despite him being dead!

tab32792 said:

The guitar rig and pedal order was a bit different. On top of that he had different techs. By time emancipation era came around, he was no longer using the metal zone boss pedal. The distortion pedal was first in his chain during gold era then moved for the following. A few factors. Also the symbol guitars were built by different people

he stoped using metal zone? how do u know? i mean it's not that i don't believe you,so what he added in his chain so the sound got beefy and muscular again around 2000

thebanishedone said:

TrivialPursuit said:

I love the sound of the gold one, especially during shows and that French TV appearance for "Endorphinmachine."

i agree but usually it's thin,but those examples are a good one

I know where you're coming from on that, definitely. It does sound high on the treble end, and it seems like there's some gritty or dirty filter he's going thru. Either way, there's still some bass-y end to it which almost balances it out. I think another good example of the richness of that guitar, and the setings in those times, was him noodling around during "The Jam" from the BEAUTIFUL experience.

He's always been effortless on guitar, but the symbol guitar is my favorite of his after the Hohner during the PR days. There's something so yummy about those two sounds.

The cloud is iconic visually, but I never dug the sound of it. In the SOTT movie, and other times he's used that cloud in place of other guitars, it's always sounded thin and cheap. (Unpopular opinion, sue me.) It was misleading to see him use that guitar in the movie, then later realize it was his Hohner that did that solo. When he pulled out that cloud in concert, the whole tone changed for the PR solo. I just hated it.

So while the cloud was iconic in Princestory, it didn't sound nearly as great as the or Hohner guitars.

There's a dupe thread of this over on the Facebook "Play Guitar Like Prince" group.

Like I said over there, I really don't think it is a guitar problem. It's just the result of artistic choices made by Prince and whoever was in the room on the day to help set things up - the effects, the signal path, the EQ, the compression, the amps, the mics, the room. I'd assume that's the sound Prince was going for. Prince kinda had bad taste at times when it comes to his lead guitar tone IMHO.

Even the horrible flat "tin can" sound we all associate with his clean rhythm tones from the Gold Experience era, that's intentional. It's horrible, but I guess he wanted it like that.

ian said:

There's a dupe thread of this over on the Facebook "Play Guitar Like Prince" group.

Like I said over there, I really don't think it is a guitar problem. It's just the result of artistic choices made by Prince and whoever was in the room on the day to help set things up - the effects, the signal path, the EQ, the compression, the amps, the mics, the room. I'd assume that's the sound Prince was going for. Prince kinda had bad taste at times when it comes to his lead guitar tone IMHO.

Even the horrible flat "tin can" sound we all associate with his clean rhythm tones from the Gold Experience era, that's intentional. It's horrible, but I guess he wanted it like that.

i know it's me who made that thread on facebook lol

TrivialPursuit said:

thebanishedone said:

i agree but usually it's thin,but those examples are a good one

I know where you're coming from on that, definitely. It does sound high on the treble end, and it seems like there's some gritty or dirty filter he's going thru. Either way, there's still some bass-y end to it which almost balances it out. I think another good example of the richness of that guitar, and the setings in those times, was him noodling around during "The Jam" from the BEAUTIFUL experience.

He's always been effortless on guitar, but the symbol guitar is my favorite of his after the Hohner during the PR days. There's something so yummy about those two sounds.

The cloud is iconic visually, but I never dug the sound of it. In the SOTT movie, and other times he's used that cloud in place of other guitars, it's always sounded thin and cheap. (Unpopular opinion, sue me.) It was misleading to see him use that guitar in the movie, then later realize it was his Hohner that did that solo. When he pulled out that cloud in concert, the whole tone changed for the PR solo. I just hated it.

So while the cloud was iconic in Princestory, it didn't sound nearly as great as the or Hohner guitars.

i like Symbol on I Hate U ,i like how the guitar looked,but it's like it was missing a personal connection with Prince.When you listen to Prince play cloud you can hear a deep connection with the instrument.it's like "this is my guitar made for me and i own it. While he was playing symbol it seemed more like a tool than something he relates too.He had very personal connection with his hohner as well but i think that while Hohner was killer for funk rhythm guitar,it didn't always work well when it comes to solos.He always played great but sometimes his lead tone on hohner didn't have enough bite.I think Prince had fantastic sound when he was using strats.it was expensive yet very raw sound.Didnt feel vox era at all.it sounded like Prince went low budget.i don't understand what kind of sound he was aiming for there ,it's like he went for some dark gloomy Black Sabbath,Cream kind of vibe.

thebanishedone said:

TrivialPursuit said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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Unless you were in the studio with him, you have zero proof of this.

And you have zero proof or information otherwise.

Oh Bort, won't you ever learn.

rap said:

TrivialPursuit said:

And you have zero proof or information otherwise.

Oh Bort, won't you ever learn.

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You lot are utterly incompetent when it comes to logic. It is not on me to prove anything. He made the claim, and his only evidence is "I think that". Meanwhile the FACTS are that the gold and white symbol guitars are EXACTLY THE SAME.

Just because a white guitar was used in Emancipation promo, doesn't mean it was the one he used in the studio.

BartVanHemelen said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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You lot are utterly incompetent when it comes to logic. It is not on me to prove anything. He made the claim, and his only evidence is "I think that". Meanwhile the FACTS are that the gold and white symbol guitars are EXACTLY THE SAME.

I bet your grit your teeth and pound the keyboard when you type in all caps. Heartrate goes up, you angrily sip your soda, and roll your eyes so hard it almost gives you a headache. Your human incompetence is on display every time you post. You weren't in the studio. You never will be, so you know zippo about what guitars were used on anything.

TrivialPursuit said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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You lot are utterly incompetent when it comes to logic. It is not on me to prove anything. He made the claim, and his only evidence is "I think that". Meanwhile the FACTS are that the gold and white symbol guitars are EXACTLY THE SAME.

I bet your grit your teeth and pound the keyboard when you type in all caps. Heartrate goes up, you angrily sip your soda, and roll your eyes so hard it almost gives you a headache. Your human incompetence is on display every time you post. You weren't in the studio. You never will be, so you know zippo about what guitars were used on anything.

Ernest,i think Bart thinks it's Wendy playing that guitar solo on In A Spanish Villa cause the credits say so,nevermind what you hear

thebanishedone said:

Ernest,i think Bart thinks it's Wendy playing that guitar solo on In A Spanish Villa cause the credits say so,nevermind what you hear

Bert hates Prince. I don't even know why he's here. He does nothing but complain, bitch, groan, and is 99.999% negative (the positive part being when he's not here) in every single post.

TrivialPursuit said:

thebanishedone said:

Ernest,i think Bart thinks it's Wendy playing that guitar solo on In A Spanish Villa cause the credits say so,nevermind what you hear

Bert hates Prince. I don't even know why he's here. He does nothing but complain, bitch, groan, and is 99.999% negative (the positive part being when he's not here) in every single post.

Well i think it's love and hate relationship,how else would you explain that he knows every single Prince related news or info,i mean why else would you be on a Prince forum spend a lot of your free time posting Prince related news and than say you are not a fan of Prince.Nothing against Bart but for the last 20 years he is in this confrontational mood.If you make an error regarding Prince trivia he will go on you with a personal kind of aprouch saying people things like "And you know that from where?wHY You ask that?just because you are a newbie don't give you any right to ignore search button. And other stuff in a similar fashion.

thebanishedone said:

I think it's love and hate relationship. How else would you explain that he knows every single Prince related news or info? I mean, why else would you be on a Prince forum spend a lot of your free time posting Prince related news and than say you are not a fan of Prince.

He's one of the original karens with their, "ACKSHULLY...." statements.

ANYWAY... love the guitars.