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Thread started 12/19/20 8:13pm

AvocadosMax

Why did Prince murder ‘Data Bank’?

I get it was entering a new era of music, the sound on the radio was changing, but thats no excuse to disrespect this jam!

The unreleased original is the shit!!

Did Prince intentionally make it awful for The Time version in 1990? I don’t understand
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Reply #1 posted 12/19/20 8:40pm

controversy99

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Yeah, I don't get it either. The songs was basically ruined. The Time's version doesn't even sound like a Prince song, even though it's supposedly one that was only Prince and Morris involved. How can adding Morris Day take a funny song and make it serious and boring? Bizarre.

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Reply #2 posted 12/20/20 10:31am

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I was sooooooooooooooooooooooooo
disappointed back then when I heard the version that was released in 1990, after listening to the original on bootleg all through 1988-89.

But is it worse then what happened to "Girl o My Dreams"?

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Reply #3 posted 12/20/20 10:34am

herb4

He'd do that sometimes. Just keep working over a certain song for whatever reason. I read an interview of his where he said "I wish I could get it to sound like what I hear in my head" which, as an artist myself, hit home since my drawings and paintings never quite hit how I've visualized them.

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Reply #4 posted 12/20/20 10:35am

emesem

By this point you'd think he was purposely sabotaging his mid-80s output (e.g the "jazz version" of Old Friends 4 Sale). Thankful that "Joy In Repetition" made it through relatively unscathed.

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Reply #5 posted 12/20/20 1:29pm

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AvocadosMax said:

I get it was entering a new era of music, the sound on the radio was changing, but thats no excuse to disrespect this jam!

The unreleased original is the shit!!

Did Prince intentionally make it awful for The Time version in 1990? I don’t understand

What else was he gonna do? The 1986 recording as such was unusable on Corporate World.
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Reply #6 posted 12/20/20 6:02pm

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databank said:

AvocadosMax said:
I get it was entering a new era of music, the sound on the radio was changing, but thats no excuse to disrespect this jam! The unreleased original is the shit!! Did Prince intentionally make it awful for The Time version in 1990? I don’t understand
What else was he gonna do? The 1986 recording as such was unusable on Corporate World.

Why would it be unusable? IMO the 1986 version is far superior.

RIP Prince: thank U 4 a funky Time...
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Reply #7 posted 12/21/20 5:35am

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The Time's 1990 version should have been given the original Wally treatment... cool

"I like to watch."
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Reply #8 posted 12/21/20 6:31am

jaawwnn

lol it's true, same with We can Fu(c)(n)k. A bunch of great versions already in the can and he releases the worst one in an attempt to stay relevant.

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Reply #9 posted 12/21/20 2:38pm

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databank said:

AvocadosMax said:
I get it was entering a new era of music, the sound on the radio was changing, but thats no excuse to disrespect this jam! The unreleased original is the shit!! Did Prince intentionally make it awful for The Time version in 1990? I don’t understand
What else was he gonna do? The 1986 recording as such was unusable on Corporate World.


Why was it unsuable? Couldn't he just strip his vocal and insert Morris', like he'd one on so many other songs?

And even if he needed to rerecord it from scratch, why not try to make it closer the original than that abomination he came up with.

The unreleased Prince version is in my Top 5 Prince songs of all time.

The released Time version is in my Bottom 5 Prince songs of all time.

The difference is that extreme.

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Reply #10 posted 12/21/20 3:39pm

funkbabyandthe
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He murdered most of his 86 songs for the graffiti bridge era
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Reply #11 posted 12/22/20 1:08am

databank

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lurker316 said:



databank said:


AvocadosMax said:
I get it was entering a new era of music, the sound on the radio was changing, but thats no excuse to disrespect this jam! The unreleased original is the shit!! Did Prince intentionally make it awful for The Time version in 1990? I don’t understand

What else was he gonna do? The 1986 recording as such was unusable on Corporate World.


Why was it unsuable? Couldn't he just strip his vocal and insert Morris', like he'd one on so many other songs?

And even if he needed to rerecord it from scratch, why not try to make it closer the original than that abomination he came up with.

The unreleased Prince version is in my Top 5 Prince songs of all time.

The released Time version is in my Bottom 5 Prince songs of all time.

The difference is that extreme.


Guys, you know you can't just take All My Dreams and throw it into Diamonds And Pearls as such. Corporate World was P's attempt at sounding new jack swing
The 1986 arrangement was unusable on that album or any other early 90's Prince project, period. It's not about good or bad, it's about cohesiveness.
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Reply #12 posted 12/22/20 4:34am

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databank said:

lurker316 said:



databank said:


AvocadosMax said:
I get it was entering a new era of music, the sound on the radio was changing, but thats no excuse to disrespect this jam! The unreleased original is the shit!! Did Prince intentionally make it awful for The Time version in 1990? I don’t understand

What else was he gonna do? The 1986 recording as such was unusable on Corporate World.


Why was it unsuable? Couldn't he just strip his vocal and insert Morris', like he'd one on so many other songs?

And even if he needed to rerecord it from scratch, why not try to make it closer the original than that abomination he came up with.

The unreleased Prince version is in my Top 5 Prince songs of all time.

The released Time version is in my Bottom 5 Prince songs of all time.

The difference is that extreme.


Guys, you know you can't just take All My Dreams and throw it into Diamonds And Pearls as such. Corporate World was P's attempt at sounding new jack swing
The 1986 arrangement was unusable on that album or any other early 90's Prince project, period. It's not about good or bad, it's about cohesiveness.


Agreed. The 1986 version doesn't have the right sound and production for either the aborted Corporate World or Pandemonium. And Prince's original versiom of 'Data Bank' is circulating in excellent quality anyway.
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Reply #13 posted 12/22/20 5:52am

funkaholic1972

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OperatingThetan said:

databank said:
Guys, you know you can't just take All My Dreams and throw it into Diamonds And Pearls as such. Corporate World was P's attempt at sounding new jack swing The 1986 arrangement was unusable on that album or any other early 90's Prince project, period. It's not about good or bad, it's about cohesiveness.
Agreed. The 1986 version doesn't have the right sound and production for either the aborted Corporate World or Pandemonium. And Prince's original versiom of 'Data Bank' is circulating in excellent quality anyway.

Well, Jerk Out and certainly Chocolote sound like straight up old school Minneapolis funk to me. Why not leave Databank untouched?

RIP Prince: thank U 4 a funky Time...
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Reply #14 posted 12/22/20 7:24am

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databank said:

lurker316 said:


Why was it unsuable? Couldn't he just strip his vocal and insert Morris', like he'd one on so many other songs?

And even if he needed to rerecord it from scratch, why not try to make it closer the original than that abomination he came up with.


Guys, you know you can't just take All My Dreams and throw it into Diamonds And Pearls as such. Corporate World was P's attempt at sounding new jack swing The 1986 arrangement was unusable on that album or any other early 90's Prince project, period. It's not about good or bad, it's about cohesiveness.


He put Chocolate on Pandemonium without updating its style to New Jack Swing. If he did it with Choclocate, why not Data Bank?


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Reply #15 posted 12/22/20 7:34am

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Tick Tick Bang was strangled

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Reply #16 posted 12/22/20 7:57am

jaawwnn

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Tick Tick Bang was strangled

I only started enjoying Tick, Tick, Bang after I heard the original version, it's like I needed to hear that version to make sense of the Graffiti Bridge version. I enjoy it now!

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Reply #17 posted 12/22/20 9:10am

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databank said:

AvocadosMax said:

I get it was entering a new era of music, the sound on the radio was changing, but thats no excuse to disrespect this jam!

The unreleased original is the shit!!

Did Prince intentionally make it awful for The Time version in 1990? I don’t understand

What else was he gonna do? The 1986 recording as such was unusable on Corporate World.

Glad to see that you are still here and that Prince didn't murder you! biggrin
If you take any of this seriously, you're a bigger fool than I am.
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Reply #18 posted 12/22/20 9:28am

Mintchip

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"U" got put down like an old dog.

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Reply #19 posted 12/23/20 12:40am

databank

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lurker316 said:



databank said:


lurker316 said:



Why was it unsuable? Couldn't he just strip his vocal and insert Morris', like he'd one on so many other songs?

And even if he needed to rerecord it from scratch, why not try to make it closer the original than that abomination he came up with.




Guys, you know you can't just take All My Dreams and throw it into Diamonds And Pearls as such. Corporate World was P's attempt at sounding new jack swing The 1986 arrangement was unusable on that album or any other early 90's Prince project, period. It's not about good or bad, it's about cohesiveness.


He put Chocolate on Pandemonium without updating its style to New Jack Swing. If he did it with Choclocate, why not Data Bank?



Guys... Really?

Precisely because DB86 is NOT as mpls sound as the other two. And it's a live band recording with the Counter Revolution. How LESS new jack swing can you get?
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Besides, Prince wasn't even gonna use Chocolate and Jerk Out on the album: the band picked them after P bailed out.

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It's not about how old it is, it's about how it sounds.
If you don't hear it, just take our word for it. It didn't work. Period.
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Reply #20 posted 12/23/20 3:42am

jaawwnn

You're not wrong but Data Bank as released "sounds" awful.

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Reply #21 posted 12/31/20 11:43am

haveaglamslam

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"U" got put down like an old dog.


It pains me he gave that to Paula, if he had stuck with Rave and put that on the album, pure perfection.
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