rednblue said:

News to me. Please consult the mods. Maybe they can tell if someone is able to (and does) orgnote using another person's (not their own) username. I don't know if they can, but maybe they can. Also, you can get an orgnote saying an orgnote is read by someone. That orgnote contains that person's name but is not from that person. It's from something like Orgadmin, I think.

I did receive a note from Margot saying "I am surprised" out of the blue, something I couldn't understand, but I thought it was just me being dense. Some of my Orgnotes then seemed to disappear. Thought I'd erased them by mistake, as I was very busy with other stuff that day, so I could have easily done something foolish out of distraction. Also, though I've exchanged a very small number of Orgnotes in my time at the Org, it may simply have been, by coincidence, the date for a few to expire. That's the simplest explanation. We all know Orgnotes go away by themselves after, what is it, a month? So the Orgnotes disappearing was very likely totally unrelated to the rest.

Anyway, I didn't pursue it because, you know, LIFE. My account here on social media only matters so much to me.

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Forward them if you like. I truly have no idea what you are talking about, other than you saying one day in an Orgnote that came out of the blue (we hadn't been talking in Orgnotes) that you were surprised, me being dense and asking you to tell me what you meant by that, and you saying that I should know what you mean (I was very confused by that) and that you were very busy.

So I left it (and you) alone. But beyond not understanding the "surprised," I'm not aware of anything I've thought was odd connected to Orgnotes, and I truly have no idea what you refer to now.

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LOL, if some mysterious hacker wanted to turn us into enemies, well then hats off!

But no matter, it was only a matter of time, as I am an eccentric destined to annoy. But that's OK. I'm cool with me and the world. We'll avoid each other and in no way take anything one of us says as having any thought toward, or anything remotely to do with, the other.

rednblue said:

LOL, if some mysterious hacker wanted to turn us into enemies, well then hats off!

But no matter, it was only a matter of time, as I am an eccentric destined to annoy. But that's OK. I'm cool with me and the world. We'll avoid each other and in no way take anything one of us says as having any thought toward, or anything remotely to do with, the other.

Oh, and I'm rednblue, no caps anywhere. Unless I was hacked : ), only one person posts under the screen name rednblue: me.

If there is (or was) a RednBlue, that's a different screen name. Nothing to do with me. Not that it matters.

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SoulAlive said:

Margot said:

What I heard was that Jesse was about to release an album called Shockadelica. Prince might have liked the album but did not think Jesse had a strong lead song or a single.

The part I do not understand is why he felt the need to release his own single, Shockedelica, before Jesse released his album, making it look as though Jesse 'copied' the name of his album from Prince, thereby embarrassing Jesse.

Jesse was pissed about this.I recall a late-1986 interview where he totally trashed Prince."He's a bigger artist than I am",Jesse said."He has a huge audience.If he puts out that song,it will look like I copied him."

So sorry about the wildness and confusion. Should have taken it to Orgnotes, but I was too surprised and confused to think straight.

Thank you for this information from the 1986 interview, and I really feel for Jesse grappling with that miserable situation.

And thank you for getting the thread back on track!

rednblue said:

SquirrelMeat said:

Shockdelica is the witch, not Camille.

Alphastreet -- love the questions you post.

SquirrelMeat -- from your posts over the years, it seems like you are a long-time massive fan of Prince music. I could describe how I might imagine the Lovesexy tourbook description of Camille to connect with the Shockadelica song mention of Camille, but can I ask for your thoughts? Beginning lines of Lovesexy tourbook's Camille essay are in graphic below.

"The lights go out
The smell of doom
Is creepin' n2 ur lonely room
The bed's on fire
Ur fate is sealed
& U'r so tired
& the reason is Camille"

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The way I have always viewed 'Shockadelica' is that Prince is being seduced by this woman 'Shockdelica' and it brings out his 'dark side', Camille. He blames getting nasty on Camille. Much like he blamed Camille for creating the for the black album.

It wouldn't suprise me the song was originally written with a differnent name/title, but Prince changed it to 'Shockdelica' as a quick fix to fire back at Jesse Johnson, once Jesse turned down the offer of a title track for his album.

SquirrelMeat said:

It wouldn't suprise me the song was originally written with a differnent name/title, but Prince changed it to 'Shockdelica' as a quick fix to fire back at Jesse Johnson, once Jesse turned down the offer of a title track for his album.

This all makes sense now

slyjackson said:

WhisperingDandelions said:

Where/how it was released. Solid, but in '87 he had much much better to offer. Track was placed properly as a B-side.

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I beg to differ, it deserved a spot in the SOTT album, is much better than It (as much as I like), Hot Thing and Slow Love.

Those tracks are all very different from one another, no?

"Better" than "Hot Thing" and "Slow Love", maybe, possibly, the sake of "yes" for your argument but wholly irrelevant to the larger framework of SOTT as delivered conceptually.

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Any integration of "Shockadelica" in leiu of those tracks diminishes the smorgasbord of wildly varying flavors that SOTT so aptly elucidates, as is typical when orgers start playing "this track was better" "this track was worse why was it chosen instead of B-Side a,b&c" "he should've kept this song for himself" while missing the point entirely of why the albums are sequenced like they are...
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It ain't about what's "better than" song a,b,c, it's about what makes the greater artistic statement as a whole. Prince albums didn't represent his "best" material of the year, they were the "best" material that fit as a whole... Imean Ilike "Shockadelica" better than "Sign O the Times" title track, or "It's Gonna Be a Beautiful Night" which outside of context would barely even rank but again, all tracks very different from one another than strengthen the manic-diverse delivery of SOTT.

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"Shockadelica" is solid funk, but he already has a superior funk track on that record, so.... It's either dilute what the record achieves or swap it out with "Housequake"... would've been fantastic on The Black Album, but I dunno if you consider prime placement on a shelved LP to be much of an upgrade from B-Side to a flopped single.
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and nothing's better than "It" on SOTT... there's arguments for as "good", but his Jesse Johnson diss track ain't one of them.

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WhisperingDandelions said:

slyjackson said:

I beg to differ, it deserved a spot in the SOTT album, is much better than It (as much as I like), Hot Thing and Slow Love.

Those tracks are all very different from one another, no?

"Better" than "Hot Thing" and "Slow Love", maybe, possibly, the sake of "yes" for your argument but wholly irrelevant to the larger framework of SOTT as delivered conceptually.

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Any integration of "Shockadelica" in leiu of those tracks diminishes the smorgasbord of wildly varying flavors that SOTT so aptly elucidates, as is typical when orgers start playing "this track was better" "this track was worse why was it chosen instead of B-Side a,b&c" "he should've kept this song for himself" while missing the point entirely of why the albums are sequenced like they are...
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It ain't about what's "better than" song a,b,c, it's about what makes the greater artistic statement as a whole. Prince albums didn't represent his "best" material of the year, they were the "best" material that fit as a whole... Imean Ilike "Shockadelica" better than "Sign O the Times" title track, or "It's Gonna Be a Beautiful Night" which outside of context would barely even rank but again, all tracks very different from one another than strengthen the manic-diverse delivery of SOTT.

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"Shockadelica" is solid funk, but he already has a superior funk track on that record, so.... It's either dilute what the record achieves or swap it out with "Housequake"... would've been fantastic on The Black Album, but I dunno if you consider prime placement on a shelved LP to be much of an upgrade from B-Side to a flopped single.
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and nothing's better than "It" on SOTT... there's arguments for as "good", but his Jesse Johnson diss track ain't one of them.

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And on that day, Whispering Dandelion became an Org'er to "listen" to and should've been made an honorary moderator

To me Shockadelica is a sister of IIWYG, they are alike to me.

Yep, Camille should hav been released. It is such a creative and playfully funky work of art.

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On a sidenote. Quincy Jones says Camille was also a nickname he used for MJ

[Edited 12/9/20 1:44am]

Absolutely one of his best B-sides. Hot! Although I do think my 12" vinyl copy from '87 still sounds like the best version of this song.