Why are you doing this?

looby said:

Prince asked him to move to Chanhassen. Prince was interested in what Larry was saying and wanted to hang out with a legend from his childhood.

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Larry turned a blind eye to alot of things but he wasn't comfortable during Face Down and his family would leave. That was something Prince encouraged. There's number of bootlegs where he tell people to go stand in the parking lot if they don't like what he's doing.

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Then Prince decided that Larry had a valid point and changed. Prince's decision.

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Larry Graham is a easy scapegoat but Prince was his own man and Larry didn't need Prince to revive his career. The guy lives a very modest life and he wasn't dumb with his money.

thebanishedone said:

looby said:

Why are you doing this?

That is my opinion for the last 4 years.I admire Larry as a funk pioneer but i feel that he is very responsible for many negative things that were going around.

Prince is gone, those "negative things that were going around" are long over, and gone as well. Prince's involvement with Larry Graham at one time in his life, was his business, but that time is no more, so I don't get the point of even bringing that stuff up again. What will that solve by doing so? It's only negativity, and there's so much more good things, positive things, about Prince that we can talk about, reminisce about. Haven't we all had enough of the negative?

Idk, the story itself is over 20 yeras old and the concept of "payback" is moot IMO because these are two people with two different minds, beliefs, and ways to live life that came together. It is a personal relationship much more intricate than the concept of "I owe you one"

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looby said:

Why are you doing this?

LOL...word

First off, pretty sure it was Prince who felt like he was paying Larry back.

Second, Larry is basically the straight laced version of Prince's dad. Think about it.

Prince obvously liked him around, and liked his influence even when he wasn't touring with him. Larry wasn't starving though, so it's not fair to Larry to act like Prince saved him. It's possible Graham Central Station lost out on the opportunity to get rediscovered for their own music, because instead he was the opening band, and the old guy with Prince, and a lot of people first heard The Jam at a Prince show. Being on Prince's call and moving to his city must have felt like a sacrifice at times too.

I think for a lot of us, we don't have the perspective of how important Larry (and Sly) and George Clinton were to Prince. So that combined with the fact that Larry ministered to Prince at a time when Prince needed some grounding, and put more value on religion, I'm sure Prince would have given Larry the shirt off his back.

Now did Larry take advantage and was he really a loyal friend and healthy mentor for Prince? That's another story.

[Edited 11/6/20 15:48pm]

I respect his earlier contributions to music, but Larry was (is?) a jackass who helped to pull Prince into some weird, cult-like shit. His nephew sucks, too.

Morgaine said:

looby said:

mbdtyler said:

I respect his earlier contributions to music, but Larry was (is?) a jackass who helped to pull Prince into some weird, cult-like shit. His nephew sucks, too.

But Prince was a grown man, capable of making his own decisions. No one forced him into any kind of relationship with Larry, and I'm sure, didn't make Prince do anything that he himself didn't want to do. If Prince didn't want Larry in his life, Larry wouldn't have been in his life, period!

Morgaine said:

At the time I think P was looking for answers due to his son's death & a later miscarriage and LG seemed to have them. P was the one who made the decision to give him a house, etc but I do think LG, consciously or not, took advantage of P & definitely factored in his divorce & second marriage.

Yep, that seems to be valid. I recommend Mayte's book for het inside view about this and her feeling toward this.

If the stories around the time are true of where P was at mentally [overdose on pills/wine - we all know THAT 'story' right?] then I truly believe that LG put P on a safer pather & refocussed him. Now, we can argue until the cows home about P's involvemnet in the JWs, the clean up of his lyrics, his outlook etc BUT LG at that point may well have saved P's life.

Looks like they had a falling out though around 2015/16 - did I read that P felt LG was lazy & just coasting on P's generosity?

When will LG pop up with his side?...

I prefer to look at it this way. Larry stood up for what he believed in by leaving at those certain points he didnt want to be part of. I personally think Prince would respect that. as a grown man can, Prince made his own choice to follow Larry's beliefs. end of story. get over it.

Morgaine said:

What got me the most about LG was the video & performances for the song Baby Knows with P. LG is supposed to be a religious,faithful, married man and he's up on stage singing: She got the long dark legs (Baby knows) She got the butt that go round (Baby knows) This kind of poochie make you beg (Baby knows) Turn a dog into a hound She tell me what I want to hear (Baby knows) She stroke me up and never down (Baby knows) Whispering sexiness in my ear (Baby knows) I'm just a junkie for the sound.

That is some of the tamest, and lamest, shit Prince has ever written.

"She'll make U feel like ur stuff ain't brown tonight..."

I mean, really...

TheBigBang said:

Prince looked up to Larry @ the time. He over-did his admiration a bit, but that was Prince...an 'all-in' kinda guy.

TheBigBang said: