I'm a white straight guy and I grew up and was big into Hip-Hop in the 80's until halfway through the 90's and most black and other not white people I knew back in then from the Hip-Hop scene thought he was a "Fag" and made fun of people that listened to him or liked him until about 1998 then they started to listen and warm up to him. Before that most non-white people i know just taught it made you gay to listen to him or something (and I encoutered this dumb idea in the US to.)

I don;t know. Prince was Black (but wanted to present himself as bi-racial for some reason early in his carreer; see Purple Rain and early interviews) and made awesome, all inclusive music (until he became a bigot in the 90's by way of a hate spreading, anti gay religion)
As a white guy I can relate to most of the things he sang about and understand his lyrics about Love, Loss, Heartache, Hate, Anger, Sex and whatever and that's enough for me. If there's a secret message in hs music that only people with a darker skin tone can hear and understand and i for some reason maybe can not then that's cool to, Prince made music for everyone.

[Edited 10/6/20 6:38am]

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

JB: I Don't Want Nobody To Give Me Nothing (Open Up The Door, I'll Get It Myself).

ive a feeling prince in the 80s would prob have been behind this^^^

doesnt mean he would have looked down on others who didnt, necessarily.

but doesnt mean he was the leftist radical some people would like him to have been either.

though id love to hear others perspectives.

[Edited 10/6/20 5:43am]

[Edited 10/6/20 5:44am]

Prince had a lot of conservative, hard working( a lot of people from earlier times did thought), education, proper English, moral standards, but Prince did express very hard lined beliefs in the last 15yrs

post #2 is why I think we had such great musical talent coming out of the 60s 70s 80s

Yes we had a talent show or two back then, but people generally didn't record contracts like today's 'American Idols' '... Got Talent' etc

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

That statement that hip hoppers were into p at this time seems a bit contrived. Almost like she csnt admit that p might not have been wholly embraced. Also I didn't realise the 90s were all pure rnb for prince. Just cos he had a black band doesnt mean he was playing strictly rnb. [Edited 9/26/20 10:43am]

Since his passing, I've been taking a lot of these interviews with a grain of salt. Not to hard to realized many of them are not hardcore fans.

It was never an easy thing for me to conclude Prince into any genre of music. And not even originally being a hardcore 1990s Prince fan, having studied 1990s Prince later, Prince was doing the same thing 1980s Prince was doing, just with a more trend following bent. Prince still had his ballads and 'folk' pieces, he sorta substituted his Let's Work new wave funk for a New jack style, a little gansta rap vibe, and still a lot of rock. He was always an ax man. As he said when addressing people comparing him to Michael Jackson. He said compare him to other Ax men.

PurpleSullivan said:

gross

.

What is gross about my perspective?

You provide very little indication not any argumentation.

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

this thread got weird.

'prince could be an asshole because he had it hard growing up but if you call him an asshole then youre an asshole, asshole, because if you had it tough growing up, it means everything you do later is excusable'

'if prince mistreated women in his life, thats their fault for falling for his bullshit!'

'if prince was so black, why did he play to white audiences?'

'europe has no racism'

'white people cant clap on time'

'white people cant dance'

well done everyone!

-

Exactly !

-
These are some of the reasons why I would rather not get involved with those who think it is necessary to inform or even convince us of (their personal) perceptions such as:

- unfounded info

- general negative comments

- mysogenic statements

- racism from all sides

- generalizations

- lies and exaggerations

In fact, I personally think these (very negative) 'issues' are not even worthy of any democratic debate here on Prince.org.
It always rises to a useless and derailing climax, where opinions and statements arise that lead nowhere.

This kind of negativity is everything Prince did NOT stand for.

NOT AT ALL.

-

JorisE73 said:

I don;t know. Prince was Black (but wanted to present himself as bi-racial for some reason early in his carreer; see Purple Rain and early interviews) and made awesome, all inclusive music (until he became a bigot in the 90's by way of a hate spreading, anti gay religion)
As a white guy I can relate to most of the things he sang about, and I understand his lyrics about Love, Loss, Heartache, Hate, Anger, Sex and whatever, and that's enough for me.

If there's a secret message in his music that only people with a darker skin tone can hear and understand and i for some reason maybe can't then that's cool too.

Prince made music for everyone.

-

Love that 100%.

And he indeed made music for EVRYONE.

That was very important to him.

The proof lies in the unmistakable mix of music styles he hit and conjured up.

-

Hey guys, I was the one who said white folks can't clap on time and do not dance that well.

There were many times Prince corrected audiences in Europe to please clap on 2&4, not the 1&3.

He said that some dance well...I exaggerated to make a point about Prince liking white audiences in spite of their 'shortcomings' It was said somewhat tongue-in-cheek

Not dancing too well and hand-clapping off-time are trivial.

Otherwise, I think the conversation should go on. It can get rough, but this is how we find

out what people really think.

[Edited 10/6/20 12:56pm]

JorisE73 said:

Margot said:

Hey guys, I was the one who said white folks can't clap on time and do not dance that well.

There were many times Prince corrected audiences in Europe to please clap on 2&4, not the 1&3.

He said that some dance well...I exaggerated to make a point about Prince liking white audiences in spite of their 'shortcomings' It was said somewhat tongue-in-cheek

Not dancing too well and hand-clapping off-time are trivial.

Otherwise, I think the conversation should go on. It can get rough, but this is how we find

out what people really think.

[Edited 10/6/20 12:56pm]

In fairness, there is a truth to granny-clapping (i.e. on the 1 & 3) and i'm fairly sure it's to do with musical traditions. We laugh at it over here as well but someone like ABBA can emerge from it. I think pop music has shown that there's nothing natural or racial about it, everyone can learn new musical things.

Margot said:

Hey guys, I was the one who said white folks can't clap on time and do not dance that well.

.

They can.

It's just not so much in their upbringing.

udo said:

Margot said:

Hey guys, I was the one who said white folks can't clap on time and do not dance that well.

.

They can.

It's just not so much in their upbringing.

This is so true, I grew up with 'Karnaval' in the Netherlands and this 1 and 3 clapping stuff is the standard for the shitty 'Hoempapa' "music" they do during 'Karnaval' festivities

Well i'm glad you both agree with my post

lucky for you guys, the vast majority of princes music, was firmly 4/4 with kick drums on the 1 and 3 and snares on the 2 and 4. so very easy to clap to. even housequake is like that. so you dont have to clap on the percussive stuff going on between.

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

lucky for you guys, the vast majority of princes music, was firmly 4/4 with kick drums on the 1 and 3 and snares on the 2 and 4. so very easy to clap to. even housequake is like that. so you dont have to clap on the percussive stuff going on between.

Well I never had a pronblem with clapping on 2 and 4 (seems natural to me but then I've been drumming since I was 5 years old) but having seen Prince in the 80's and 90's almost 20 times in Netherlands, belgium and germany it was weird seeing and hearing a lot of fans clapping on the 1 and 3 or even 1,2,3,4.

Moonbeam said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

TruthBomb said:

AnnaSantana said:

TruthBomb said:

Can’t even get past the asinine headline...what a bunch of garbage 😆

Right? I mean, Prince being BLACK. That's ridiculous!

two different things. [ Black - Blackness ] and both are complex. Like Nina Simone blackness and Zoe Saldana blackness.

The thanking of Joni Mitchell on albums like Dirty Mind and Controversy as well as her inspiration on Ice Cream Castles... just a tidbit of why SOTT is non '...all blackness'
like 1977-1987 it's a mix of Joni Mitchell, John L Nelson, Led Zepplin, James Brown, Chaka Khan, Santana, Liberace etc
The author of the article, I could put numbers of Prince.org academics up against them in a debate and watch them get destroyed.

OldFriends4Sale said:

AnnaSantana said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

two different things. [ Black - Blackness ] and both are complex. Like Nina Simone blackness and Zoe Saldana blackness.

The thanking of Joni Mitchell on albums like Dirty Mind and Controversy as well as her inspiration on Ice Cream Castles... just a tidbit of why SOTT is non '...all blackness'
like 1977-1987 it's a mix of Joni Mitchell, John L Nelson, Led Zepplin, James Brown, Chaka Khan, Santana, Liberace etc
The author of the article, I could put numbers of Prince.org academics up against them in a debate and watch them get destroyed.

Oh FFS .. I being sarcastic.

I know, I'm just piggy backing

Sorry, I was doing 3 different things at the same time

White folks please clear the area.

OldFriends4Sale said:

I don't even know why they titled it that. I guess to get headlines or something. The article/interview only focus 1/10 on that. Which i disagree with. Like when Questluv said Prince was hip hop. Dude I love the Roots, but come on. Dead On It.

SOTT was For You Prince Dirty Mind Controversy 1999 Purple Rain ATWIAD and Parade = This is What It's Like In the Dream Factory

Yup

slyjackson said:

White folks please clear the area.

.

You are severely discriminating; perhaps also showing your poltical direction.

If the whole thing is still not yet clear you have no part in this game.

If the USSA is so bad, then go to the real motherland.

If you stay then you admit you have to fight the system.

So provide the younsters with an upbrining that will fit them in the paradigm that is there.

You cannot change the color, you can change anything else.

Provide some dough to pay for education.

And see where the youth goes, comapred to current average situations.

Keep improving from there.

If you cannot fuight them, join them.

Not in the Dumbocrat regards but most of the rest.

slyjackson said:

White folks please clear the area.

i actually have a hunch that if it wasnt the estate doing a tokenistic move to get a black writer who would write about sott in a way that fit our current moment, daphne brooks prob told the estate that they needed to have someone like her writing about sott so it wouldnt be just all white writers in the book.

as ive said before though, id have loved someone ilke nelson george, greg tate, vernon reid, or even toure, to write something on the album. going HAAAAAARD on the left leaning, academic, sociological-cultural-political studies end and putting SOTT through a filter that doesnt quite fit it, makes for awkward reading. i read her radiohead piece, and its something similar. she is not sensitive to the work, she just has her own prism, and puts whatever she likes through it.

[Edited 10/19/20 3:19am]

udo said:

slyjackson said:

White folks please clear the area.

.

You are severely discriminating; perhaps also showing your poltical direction.

If the whole thing is still not yet clear you have no part in this game.

If the USSA is so bad, then go to the real motherland.

If you stay then you admit you have to fight the system.

So provide the younsters with an upbrining that will fit them in the paradigm that is there.

You cannot change the color, you can change anything else.

Provide some dough to pay for education.

And see where the youth goes, comapred to current average situations.

Keep improving from there.

If you cannot fuight them, join them.

Not in the Dumbocrat regards but most of the rest.

Slyjackson is not from the USA.

sexton said:

udo said:

.

You are severely discriminating; perhaps also showing your poltical direction.

If the whole thing is still not yet clear you have no part in this game.

If the USSA is so bad, then go to the real motherland.

If you stay then you admit you have to fight the system.

So provide the younsters with an upbrining that will fit them in the paradigm that is there.

You cannot change the color, you can change anything else.

Provide some dough to pay for education.

And see where the youth goes, comapred to current average situations.

Keep improving from there.

If you cannot fuight them, join them.

Not in the Dumbocrat regards but most of the rest.

Slyjackson is not from the USA.

I'm from the USA I was born in NY bue I don't live there.

daingermouz2020 said:

udo said: