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SOTT Single Mixes & Edits (LP 3 & LP 4) discussion





1. Sign O' The Times (7" single edit)
2. La, La, La, He, He, Hee (7" single edit)
3. La, La, La, He, He, Hee (Highly Explosive)
4. If I Was Your Girlfriend (7" single edit)
5. Shockadelica ("If I Was Your Girlfriend" B-side)
6. Shockadelica (12" long version)
7. U Got the Look (Long Look) (12" edit)
8. Housequake (7" edit)
9. Housequake (7 Minutes MoQuake)
10. I Could Never Take The Place Of Your Man (Fade 7" edit)
11. Hot Thing (7" single edit)
12. Hot Thing (Extended Remix)
13. Hot Thing (Dub Version)

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Reply #1 posted 09/23/20 10:24pm

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Someone noticed 12. Hot Thing (Extended Remix) was missing the breath at the begning on Orginal!..I means I on Ultimate....thanks for the correction databank

But it is on this! Weired that was the first thing I checked? Not that I have heard it...

[Edited 9/24/20 6:01am]

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Reply #2 posted 09/24/20 3:40am

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

Someone noticed 12. Hot Thing (Extended Remix) was missing the breath at the begning on Orginal!

But it is on this! Weired that was the first thing I checked? Not that I have heard it...

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Good point!

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I haven't noticed any problem/glitch on any extended version / B-side on that disc. I've skipped the edits, though.

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The sound is excellent (to my 42-year-old ears).

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Reply #3 posted 09/24/20 5:55am

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

Someone noticed 12. Hot Thing (Extended Remix) was missing the breath at the begning on Orginal!

But it is on this! Weired that was the first thing I checked? Not that I have heard it...

You mean Ultimate, but yeah.

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Reply #4 posted 09/24/20 11:13am

CoolMF

Of all of the cds in this set, this one is the one that I'm looking forward to the most. I've waited a LONG time for remastered mp3 formats for the Shockadelica, Housequake, and (most importantly) La La La 12"s.

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Reply #5 posted 09/24/20 11:15am

AvocadosMax

Ultimate was such a cool cd to have if you didn't have any vinyl singles...

then PR, 1999 and SOTT deluxe told em "imma ruin this mans whole career"

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Reply #6 posted 09/25/20 11:26am

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CoolMF said:

Of all of the cds in this set, this one is the one that I'm looking forward to the most. I've waited a LONG time for remastered mp3 formats for the Shockadelica, Housequake, and (most importantly) La La La 12"s.

"Housequake (7 MinutesMoQuake)" might be the funkiest shit Prince ever made...sweartogod

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Reply #7 posted 09/25/20 2:30pm

RogerRoger

Sorry if I'm negative.. but I don't get the hype of "this version of the song is a little bit shorter" or "this one fades out instead", and I don't think those versions justify an LP in itself

[Edited 9/25/20 14:32pm]

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Reply #8 posted 09/25/20 2:32pm

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RogerRoger said:

Sorry if I'm negative.. but I don't get the "this version of the song is a little bit shorter" hype, and I don't think those versions justify an LP in itself

[Edited 9/25/20 14:31pm]

I think that it is just for continuity/completion purposes. The shorter versions either got official releases as B-sides, for radio play, or on compilations so they were included because they are technically apart of the official audio canon for Prince historically



I myself don't listen to any of the edits in favor of the full album tracks or full versions of the songs (Shockadelica) however I am cool with their inclusion as a concept

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Reply #9 posted 09/25/20 2:37pm

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ForceofNature said:

RogerRoger said:

Sorry if I'm negative.. but I don't get the "this version of the song is a little bit shorter" hype, and I don't think those versions justify an LP in itself

[Edited 9/25/20 14:31pm]

I think that it is just for continuity/completion purposes. The shorter versions either got official releases as B-sides, for radio play, or on compilations so they were included because they are technically apart of the official audio canon for Prince historically



I myself don't listen to any of the edits in favor of the full album tracks or full versions of the songs (Shockadelica) however I am cool with their inclusion as a concept

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But why release them now as something to listen to?

I don't get it.

[Edited 9/25/20 14:37pm]

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Reply #10 posted 09/25/20 2:42pm

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RogerRoger said:

ForceofNature said:

I think that it is just for continuity/completion purposes. The shorter versions either got official releases as B-sides, for radio play, or on compilations so they were included because they are technically apart of the official audio canon for Prince historically



I myself don't listen to any of the edits in favor of the full album tracks or full versions of the songs (Shockadelica) however I am cool with their inclusion as a concept

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But why release them now as something to listen to?

I don't get it.

[Edited 9/25/20 14:37pm]

So if people wanted to experience the songs as they might have first heard them on the radio, for nostailgic purposes

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Reply #11 posted 09/25/20 8:54pm

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RogerRoger said:

Sorry if I'm negative.. but I don't get the hype of "this version of the song is a little bit shorter" or "this one fades out instead", and I don't think those versions justify an LP in itself

[Edited 9/25/20 14:32pm]


Yeah I don't know the point of a 7" release, and album release, unless there's something really notable in the music. I get if there's abreviated SOTT but less so Never Take the Place Of.

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Reply #12 posted 09/25/20 9:47pm

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So, since they would not bother giving us a digital version of the Adore edit, is any good soul going to rip it from the single?
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Reply #13 posted 09/26/20 5:06am

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LLL,HHH(HE) sounds so much better..WOW..

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Reply #14 posted 09/26/20 5:19am

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La La La, He He Heee (highly explosive) is EVERYTHING! Can't believe I'd never heard it before.

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Reply #15 posted 09/26/20 9:53am

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Hi, I'm the guy who pointed out "Hot thing (extended mix)" was missing the breath on the "Ultimate" release. I was extremely happy to hear it on this! I am still scratching my head why the edit of "Adore" isn't on here. Glad it was on the singles box. I like these compilations as I'm a completist! I actually listen to these discs too! biggrin

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Reply #16 posted 09/26/20 3:10pm

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Skipped the pointless edits. The extenders are awesome although I'm still undecided about listening to three long versions of Hot Thing in a row. Great to have either way.
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Reply #17 posted 09/27/20 2:38am

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databank said:

So, since they would not bother giving us a digital version of the Adore edit, is any good soul going to rip it from the single?

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It's part of the MP3 download that came with the singles set.

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Reply #18 posted 09/27/20 8:28am

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BartVanHemelen said:

databank said:

So, since they would not bother giving us a digital version of the Adore edit, is any good soul going to rip it from the single?

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It's part of the MP3 download that came with the singles set.

Of which only 1987 copies were printed...

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Reply #19 posted 09/27/20 10:43am

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databank said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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It's part of the MP3 download that came with the singles set.

Of which only 1987 copies were printed...

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That .ZIP leaked immediately on the day of release.

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Reply #20 posted 09/27/20 11:13am

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This disc is slammin! The disc of singles edits, mixes, extended, and b-sides seemed pointless on 1999 (except for the B-sides). But for this set, many of these tracks are essential. The 7 minutes MoQuake is the probably best James Brown-style funk that Prince put out.
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Reply #21 posted 09/27/20 11:24am

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BartVanHemelen said:

databank said:

Of which only 1987 copies were printed...

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That .ZIP leaked immediately on the day of release.

I got it now, but I didn't know then.

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Reply #22 posted 09/28/20 3:57am

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databank said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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That .ZIP leaked immediately on the day of release.

I got it now, but I didn't know then.

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Downloaded that .ZIP

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Reply #23 posted 09/28/20 4:30am

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Hate that they included those pointless Video Edits on the 1999 SDE and yet missed Delirious Mono, if we're trying to be complete. So which tracks are missing this time? The Adore edit and...?

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Reply #24 posted 09/29/20 5:06pm

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I think it's a shame that they didn't include Sign O The Times (Full Length Version) as its own track with these discs. The version on the actual album segues straight into Play In The Sunshine. The version released on the original 12" single had a clean ending (otherwise exactly the same as the album version).

I also don't know why the Adore (single edit) version was excluded. Would've been nice to have this as well as an LP version without the crowd noise at the start. Oh well.

There is also an edit of Sign O The Times that has a clean ending (not a fade), but this was never officially released. It's believed by some to be the version used on the July '86 Dream Factory configuration, but PrinceVault claims the single edit was used, which would be the fade edit included on these discs.

[Edited 9/29/20 17:25pm]

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I think it's a shame that they didn't include Sign O The Times (Full Length Version) as its own track with these discs. The version on the actual album segues straight into Play In The Sunshine. The version released on the original 12" single had a clean ending (otherwise exactly the same as the album version).

I also don't know why the Adore (single edit) version was excluded. Would've been nice to have this as well as an LP version without the crowd noise at the start. Oh well.

There is also an edit of Sign O The Times that has a clean ending (not a fade), but this was never officially released. It's believed by some to be the version used on the July '86 Dream Factory configuration, but PrinceVault claims the single edit was used, which would be the fade edit included on these discs.

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Wait a sec, are you sure there is a difference between the ending of the album and 12'' version?? eek

The album version's ending seems clean enough for me, not really seguing. How is the ending on the 12''?

It's very possible there is a difference, for example there is a 12'' mix of 1999 that naturally doesn't fade into LRC, but Princevault doesn't acknowledge its existence and it wasn't on the SDE last year.

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Reply #26 posted 09/29/20 6:10pm

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databank said:



glamlife2 said:


I think it's a shame that they didn't include Sign O The Times (Full Length Version) as its own track with these discs. The version on the actual album segues straight into Play In The Sunshine. The version released on the original 12" single had a clean ending (otherwise exactly the same as the album version).

I also don't know why the Adore (single edit) version was excluded. Would've been nice to have this as well as an LP version without the crowd noise at the start. Oh well.

There is also an edit of Sign O The Times that has a clean ending (not a fade), but this was never officially released. It's believed by some to be the version used on the July '86 Dream Factory configuration, but PrinceVault claims the single edit was used, which would be the fade edit included on these discs.


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Wait a sec, are you sure there is a difference between the ending of the album and 12'' version?? eek


The album version's ending seems clean enough for me, not really seguing. How is the ending on the 12''?


It's very possible there is a difference, for example there is a 12'' mix of 1999 that naturally doesn't fade into LRC, but Princevault doesn't acknowledge its existence and it wasn't on the SDE last year.



The difference is very, very small - but I’m pretty sure if you edit the album version it would sound clipped, not clean. I’ll have to dig out my original 12” to verify for sure. I’ll use my good headphones. If I remember correctly, the 12” of 1999 was just a fade at the end. For completists it probably should’ve been included! But I didn’t notice because I’m a bit tired of 1999 to be honest. These things do matter to me because I like to create singles/best of compilations and it’s annoying not to have proper endings in the best quality. (I’ll bet somewhere in the vault there is a version of 1999 that ends differently instead of fading into the start of LRC...)
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glamlife2 said:

databank said:



glamlife2 said:


I think it's a shame that they didn't include Sign O The Times (Full Length Version) as its own track with these discs. The version on the actual album segues straight into Play In The Sunshine. The version released on the original 12" single had a clean ending (otherwise exactly the same as the album version).

I also don't know why the Adore (single edit) version was excluded. Would've been nice to have this as well as an LP version without the crowd noise at the start. Oh well.

There is also an edit of Sign O The Times that has a clean ending (not a fade), but this was never officially released. It's believed by some to be the version used on the July '86 Dream Factory configuration, but PrinceVault claims the single edit was used, which would be the fade edit included on these discs.


[Edited 9/29/20 17:25pm]



Wait a sec, are you sure there is a difference between the ending of the album and 12'' version?? eek


The album version's ending seems clean enough for me, not really seguing. How is the ending on the 12''?


It's very possible there is a difference, for example there is a 12'' mix of 1999 that naturally doesn't fade into LRC, but Princevault doesn't acknowledge its existence and it wasn't on the SDE last year.



The difference is very, very small - but I’m pretty sure if you edit the album version it would sound clipped, not clean. I’ll have to dig out my original 12” to verify for sure. I’ll use my good headphones. If I remember correctly, the 12” of 1999 was just a fade at the end. For completists it probably should’ve been included! But I didn’t notice because I’m a bit tired of 1999 to be honest. These things do matter to me because I like to create singles/best of compilations and it’s annoying not to have proper endings in the best quality. (I’ll bet somewhere in the vault there is a version of 1999 that ends differently instead of fading into the start of LRC...)

Yes 1999 fades out.
Please let me know s know what you find regarding SOTT, I'm quite intrigued now. And if there's an alt edit I need to add it to my website.
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Reply #28 posted 09/30/20 1:32pm

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databank said:

glamlife2 said:
The difference is very, very small - but I’m pretty sure if you edit the album version it would sound clipped, not clean. I’ll have to dig out my original 12” to verify for sure. I’ll use my good headphones. If I remember correctly, the 12” of 1999 was just a fade at the end. For completists it probably should’ve been included! But I didn’t notice because I’m a bit tired of 1999 to be honest. These things do matter to me because I like to create singles/best of compilations and it’s annoying not to have proper endings in the best quality. (I’ll bet somewhere in the vault there is a version of 1999 that ends differently instead of fading into the start of LRC...)
Yes 1999 fades out. Please let me know s know what you find regarding SOTT, I'm quite intrigued now. And if there's an alt edit I need to add it to my website.

Okay I don't have my SOTT original 12" here so I had to open my Record Store Day version which was sealed. I had to know!

So here's the scoop: on this version of the 12", there is not a perfect cold stop. There is a fraction of a second of the crowd SFX from Play In The Sunshine! It's literally about 1/3 of a second but how annoying! I believe this is because the 12" was re-created for this release. (The reissue of the Let's Go Crazy/Erotic City 12" from a few years ago has a bizarre error right at the beginning. So I never trust that 12" reissues are the correct versions.)

Now I am almost certain that my original 12" had what I'd call a clean ending. No sign of any other sound than the last beat. The 12" was always what you would call the LP version. But it didn't have any artifacts after that last beat. Just silence.

To get a perfect standalone LP version of SOTT from the album, you pretty much have to use editing software. Otherwise you will always get a tiny bit of artifact from Play. iTunes can be adjusted to stop a track but it's hard to get it just right.

These are the reasons I wanted a "standalone" LP version of the song that could've been on the single edits & mixes disc. Some people wouldn't differentiate between the LP version on the 12" and the actual LP version, but I think it's a difference worth noting. I won't be able to proove my belief until I get a hold of a 1987 copy though. D'oh!

I'm going to check Discogs to see if there has ever been a compilation CD that has the LP version of SOTT. Although even I find one it will probably have PITS artifact at the end... Oh and I really wish they had released the edit version with the cold ending as I described before. I'll have to Frankenstein it for my Crystal Ball mix.

[Edited 9/30/20 13:33pm]

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Reply #29 posted 09/30/20 3:45pm

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I bought the iTunes download of the Sign “O” The Times EP awhile back - it states it is from “2007 NPG Records under license to Warner Records Inc”. It has a 5:03 version of Sign and the 12” single version of La, la (i.e. the highly explosive version). The same EP currently on iTunes has timings of 5:02 and 10:52.

I’ve just listened to my download a few times and a small snippet of the beginning of Play In The Sunshine is just audible at the end of Sign on it.

Will be interested to hear if the 1987 12” record has it or not (unfortunately my version got lost in a house move).
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