Author | Message |
can/would you resequence sign o the times? as this is the month its getting the SDE treatment, here is a chance to challenge the accepted consensus on the album. obviously it is one of his best. after all, it just has one brilliant song after the other.... BUT... ive never really thought it all fits together that well. which makes sense considering where all the songs have been pulled from (listen to the camille album and youll hear a much better, more cohesive 'album', and one which i think would have been one of prince's best if he released it).
prince often had albums that didnt really hang that well (controversy, ATWIAD, parade even), and this isnt that different. i dont think creating a 'mood' per se was ever that big a concern, it was more just selecting the best songs from the ones he was working on at the time. if they had a connection, so be it.
never mind that though. how would you change the running order of sott? would you?
in his LRB piece last year, the writer ian penman suggests it should start with SOTT (apocalypse) and end with the cross (release/redemption etc). i quite like that. though mine would go something like -
side one (the fairlight funk side) sott it hot thing housequake
side two (the rock side)
u got the look play in the sunshine i could never take the place... the cross
side three (the experimental/weird side)
the ballad of dorothy parker starfish and coffee strange relationship if i was your girlfriend
side four (the R&B/ballad/devotional side + a feel good live funk stomp to go out on a high note) forever in my life slow love adore its gonna be a beautiful night
[Edited 9/1/20 15:40pm] | |
- E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
i will be doing no such thing | |
- E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
I feel that "Forever in My Life" has an experimental, skeletal, futuristic, electronic mix, plus the backup vocals precede the lead vocals.
"Strange Relationship" has very pop friendly arrangement and sound, and the only thing odd is that that it is mixed to emphasize that monotonous hard hitting beat that goes through the whole song like some kind of tribal march with the synth and other intruments all in sync. That aspect is unique. My art book: http://www.lulu.com/spotl...ecomicskid
VIDEO WORK: http://sharadkantpatel.com MUSIC: https://soundcloud.com/ufoclub1977 | |
- E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
To me the genius of the album is how it encapsulates his almost manic musical diversity with its kind of shuffle/scattered track arrangements. You start grouping tracks by genre, sounds and what "goes together" and suddenly you take all the energy and edge out of the record. I don't want similar songs together.... the night-and-day contrast between the stark title track and the giddy "Play in the Sunshine" is what hooked me from the jump. | |
- E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
Moderator moderator |
Ohh purple joy oh purple bliss oh purple rapture! REAL MUSIC by REAL MUSICIANS - Prince "I kind of wish there was a reason for Prince to make the site crash more" ~~ Ben |
- E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
WhisperingDandelions said: To me the genius of the album is how it encapsulates his almost manic musical diversity with its kind of shuffle/scattered track arrangements. You start grouping tracks by genre, sounds and what "goes together" and suddenly you take all the energy and edge out of the record. I don't want similar songs together.... the night-and-day contrast between the stark title track and the giddy "Play in the Sunshine" is what hooked me from the jump. I get your point But even grouping them like this, it just shows how diff each song still is | |
- E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
ufoclub said: I feel that "Forever in My Life" has an experimental, skeletal, futuristic, electronic mix, plus the backup vocals precede the lead vocals.
"Strange Relationship" has very pop friendly arrangement and sound, and the only thing odd is that that it is mixed to emphasize that monotonous hard hitting beat that goes through the whole song like some kind of tribal march with the synth and other intruments all in sync. That aspect is unique. Interesting observation! | |
- E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
Nope, but I might like SOTT at the end instead of beginning. | |
- E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
The OP is trying to resequence based on the type of song. This ain't no gatdayum Babyface record! Prince don't work like that, never has, never would. Grouping similar songs is silly and trite when talking about Prince music. Sorry, it's the Hodgkin's talking. | |
- E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
As one of those Org weirdos that obsesses over tracklists and alternate tracklists and playlists, etc, I can definitvely say HELL NO. Every track is in its place for a good reason. | |
- E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
Shockadelica should have been there after IIWYGF | |
- E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
Yes i will. I’ll prolly make 3 different playlists 1st: my ‘best of’ of the SOTT vault tracks 2nd: my own Dream Factory sequence 3rd: my personal re-sequence of SOTT (Yeah ik i’m crazy for all that lol) But here’s how I’d personally re-sequence SOTT Disc 1 1) Sign ‘O’ The Times 2) Play In The Sunshine 3) HouseQuake 4) Ballad of Dorothy Parker (with horns) 5) Crystal Ball 6) It 7) Crucial 8) Hot Thing 9) Forever In My Life Disc 2 1) If I Was Your Girlfriend (‘Cause since ‘Forever In My Life’ is basically about wanting to get married, this tracks starts with the wedding organ so it makes sense! ) 2) Strange Relationship 3) I Could Never Take The Place of Your Man 4) Wally 5) In A Large Room With No Light 6) The Cross 7) Adore “Whaaat you took out U Got The Look and Beautiful Night????” Ik. I’m as shocked as you. I love those tracks too, i just like the others more and wanna see if it will go together well | |
- E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
TrivialPursuit said: The OP is trying to resequence based on the type of song. This ain't no gatdayum Babyface record! Prince don't work like that, never has, never would. Grouping similar songs is silly and trite when talking about Prince music. Hmm I'd actually say PR is prob his most perfect album. Next to dirty mind. Every moment on PR is perfectly placed, more or less. It's an incredibly tight album I'd say the grouping is really only based on aesthetic and production. The greatness of the album is that even then, each song is totally diff. | |
- E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
In my mind, the perfect sequence is the Crystal Ball triple album. WB forced a double album, but let's play around some more and say that they required a single album. That means that the running time as a total is roughly 24 minutes per side. It is possible to have a nice flowing album... for me, this would be the strongest version, removing filler and annoying tracks: . Side A: Sign O' The Times (4:56) . To me, it only requires removing the starting alarm bell for Starfish & Coffee and this is a nicely sequenced side running 21:07 Side B: . Adore will start properly, of course, without any audience noise. This brings this side to 19:33 and the full album to 40 minutes and 40 seconds, something Prince would probably have liked (and me too, so I could fit it on one side of a 90 minute cassette) . I do have a problem with removing It's Gonna Be A Beautiful Night, but with a runtime of 9 minutes, it simply too long for the album. I'd make it the B side to the first single, Sign O' The Times, with La La La He He Hee and Shockadelica as B sides for the other singles Housequake (b/w Shockadelica) and Strange Relationship (b/w La La La He He Hee). Depending on album reception and Prince's willingness to support the album, the rest of side B could be follow-up singles, not sure what the best B sides for those would be, but I wouldn't use any of the removed tracks from the double album. Candidates would be Jaguar, Last Heart, Sexual Suicide ad Rebirth Of The Flesh, to combat the critics somewhat that complained about the "mellowness" of the album. (hey if we're going to do fanfic alternative history, we might as well take that in mind!) . This, of course, is sacrilege, but a fun thought exercise anyway. Paisley Park is in your heart - Love Is Here! | |
- E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
Yes, I have and I look forward to the SDE releasing so it can all come from the same album for my playlist.
I switched out a few songs that I personally don’t really enjoy. While I enjoy U Got the Look against other songs recorded around the time. It’s not as strong, same with It, there’s other songs that could have gone on instead. I was never a fan of Hot Thing too much, I’d much rather have The Cocoa Boys or something instead. Sign O The Times Play In The Sunshine Housequake The Ballad of Dorothy Parker Shockadelica Starfish and Coffee Slow Love Rebirth of the Flesh Crucial The Ball If I Was Your Girlfriend Strange Relationship I Could Never Take the Place of Your Man The Cross It’s Gonna Be a Beautiful Night (Live) Adore [Edited 9/3/20 9:42am] [Edited 3/29/21 13:33pm] | |
- E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
Krank "Whatever skin we're in
we all need 2 b friends" | |
- E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |