LOVED the snip of Large Room!!!

jaawwnn said:

Yeah! Everyone knows that it was Wally who really played piano on Power Fantastic!


Wendy & Lisa are, for the millionth time, CANCELLED.

Yup.


Luckily, he chose this cover,
and a picture being worth a thousand words...

i usually stay quiet and browse all the threads.. but i need a place to vent.

can they PLEASE stop letting Wendy hog every interview?

Jesus Christ! she does not shut up

And I am really sick and tired of hearing about how SOTT is a Revolution album

it IS NOT.

Can they please focus on PRINCE? and not Wendy and Lisa anymore?

I am SO SICK OF THEM.. .well, not Lisa ... shes cool

She says this is what I did, this is what he liked, this is how it developed..

thats helpful and gives insight.

It isn't a bunch of huffing and puffing about how important they were and without them there would be no SOTT.

She has a chip on her shoulder the size of Mount Rushmore

TOTALLY SICK OF HER!

thanks, had to vent

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Uh, Wendy didn't edit the podcast. It's about the songs as they were being written from that period, not about the songs as they existed on March 30 1987. Do you not get that?

If Wendy said "Prince is the most talented person I have ever met" she'd be ripped to shreds in here for the perceived slight that she is leaving open the possibility that she might meet someone more talented in the future.

This is a podcast about Prince, everyone featured in it and listening to it knows this. No-one thinks this would have happened without Prince. Maybe it's not said enough for some because it's supposed to be obvious. God, I just never see or hear these micro-aggression slights certain people seem so attuned to in the Prince world.

I'll leave the thread now because I know this is going nowhere but i'll never understand how people don't seem to get that when someone is asked to reflect upon their past and they say "I was bitter" and "I was angry" they're a) talking about the past and b) being honest, you know that thing we all love about Prince?

[Edited 8/28/20 9:01am]

I think you are getting the voices mixed up. I heard just as much Lisa and Susan.

DotsofU said:

i usually stay quiet and browse all the threads.. but i need a place to vent.

can they PLEASE stop letting Wendy hog every interview?

Jesus Christ! she does not shut up

And I am really sick and tired of hearing about how SOTT is a Revolution album

it IS NOT.

Can they please focus on PRINCE? and not Wendy and Lisa anymore?

I am SO SICK OF THEM.. .well, not Lisa ... shes cool

She says this is what I did, this is what he liked, this is how it developed..

thats helpful and gives insight.

It isn't a bunch of huffing and puffing about how important they were and without them there would be no SOTT.

She has a chip on her shoulder the size of Mount Rushmore

TOTALLY SICK OF HER!

thanks, had to vent

[Edited 8/28/20 8:46am]

Of course Wendy has a chip on her shoulder. Considering her and Lisa had such a wildly bumpy ride with Prince throughout 1986, she has a ton of emotions. I think she'd only NOT have a chip on her shoulder had her and Lisa's music careers as solo artists really took off that way as opposed to becoming composers and indie artists. It's hard to go backwards.

That being said, SOTT is as much a Prince solo record as 1999 or Controversy. Sure, some other folks contributed things. Cool beans. But they were projects directly representing Prince and his vision. Not a shared vision. A singular one.

AvocadosMax said:

All of you are high. Love hearing from W&L and Eric Leeds. They didn’t say anything wrong

Same. I love hearing Wendy & Lisa talk. I love Lisa's humour and Wendy's honesty. The next episode with Susannah sould be good too!

[Edited 8/28/20 10:48am]

The trailer for this contains a couple of brief clips from the 1987 NYE DVD: https://www.youtube.com/w...8wTbJ_MI9o

LoveGalore said:

I think she'd only NOT have a chip on her shoulder had her and Lisa's music careers as solo artists really took off that way as opposed to becoming composers and indie artists. It's hard to go backwards.

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Utter projection from you.

BartVanHemelen said:

BartVanHemelen said:

dodger said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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And crazily enough they were also around all the time and thus CAN PROVIDE ACTAL INSIGHT. Who the fuck doesn't want to hear from the very people who Prince so trusted that he told them to play around with his tracks and add their own ideas UNSUPERVISED?

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Meanwhile there are whiners who ask why the SOTT band isn't interviewed here, ignoring that a) that band didn't exist in 86 and b) that band played on ZERO recordings.

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Prince had DECADES to provide his side of the story, and didn't.

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JFC some of you pretend that W&L were a footnote, meanwhile Prince remained obsessed with them for decades and dedicated songs to them and blamed them for the RG debacle (which of course they had zero involvement in) etc.

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And every goddamn time you complainers open your mouth, it is crystal clear that you lot IMAGINE things and insert your own goddamn imaginary agendas into their words. You lot take words out of context and then bitch about it.

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You lot offer zero insight and pollute threads with this bullshit. I'd urge the Org mods to either ban you lot or apply timeouts whenever you post this bullshit.

The school bully running snitching to the teacher asking for bans or people to go on the timeout step

Curious who 'you lot' are

Asking people to be banned is pathetic Who made you the high and mighty of the org @bart. Over the years you have called Prince an asshole and there is a saying it takes one to know one.

[Edited 8/28/20 13:05pm]

Well it was a beautiful night, until people here got their knickers in a twist over Wendy talking about great music. Is this gonna be every thread now?

[Edited 8/28/20 13:10pm]

LoveGalore said:

Of course Wendy has a chip on her shoulder. Considering her and Lisa had such a wildly bumpy ride with Prince throughout 1986, she has a ton of emotions. I think she'd only NOT have a chip on her shoulder had her and Lisa's music careers as solo artists really took off that way as opposed to becoming composers and indie artists. It's hard to go backwards.

That being said, SOTT is as much a Prince solo record as 1999 or Controversy. Sure, some other folks contributed things. Cool beans. But they were projects directly representing Prince and his vision. Not a shared vision. A singular one.

Keep in my mind, as Wendy stated herself, that she was very young at the time.
She was living a dream to be a privileged collaborator of the pop artist all other pop artists revered, and she didn't have the time to digest it, or getting bored with it, she was shot down as she was taking off.

Plus, she said she understands. And I think she means with time, now that she's more mature, she understands the need for Prince to shift and try to pack in as much as he could while the talent was still screaming.

He was frequenting George Clinton and Chaka Kahn for a few years already, and even without having discussions with them, he was clever enough to realize that you only have a short period of time before you turn into a catalog artist, something he obviously fought against during all of the nineties.

I can't blame Wendy: I would be proud as heck for having being so young and trusted with multitracks to arrange, from the guy who is, let's face it, the ultimate arranger. And a little bit mad that it only lasted three years.

[Edited 8/28/20 14:49pm]

bonatoc said:

LoveGalore said:

Of course Wendy has a chip on her shoulder. Considering her and Lisa had such a wildly bumpy ride with Prince throughout 1986, she has a ton of emotions. I think she'd only NOT have a chip on her shoulder had her and Lisa's music careers as solo artists really took off that way as opposed to becoming composers and indie artists. It's hard to go backwards.

That being said, SOTT is as much a Prince solo record as 1999 or Controversy. Sure, some other folks contributed things. Cool beans. But they were projects directly representing Prince and his vision. Not a shared vision. A singular one.

Keep in my mind, as Wendy stated herself, that she was very young at the time.
She was living a dream to be a privileged collaborator of the pop artist all other pop artists revered, and she didn't have the time to digest it, or getting bored with it, she was shot down as she was taking off.

Plus, she said she understands. And I think she means with time, now that she's more mature, she understands the need for Prince to shift and try to pack in as much as he could while the talent was still screaming.

He was frequenting George Clinton and Chaka Kahn for a few years already, and even without having discussions with them, he was clever enough to realize that you only have a short period of time before you turn into a catalog artist, something he obviously fought against during all of the nineties.

I can't blame Wendy: I would be proud as heck for having being so young and trusted with multitracks to arrange, from the guy who is, let's face it, the ultimate arranger. And a little bit mad that it only lasted three years.

[Edited 8/28/20 14:49pm]

Oh, I believe it. I agree with everything you said!

I actually think this interview is the best she's ever come across. So much of what she says is different than how she typically casts herself: deserving of more credit than Prince ever officially gave her. Here, they stayed focused on the music and their explorations rather than trying to create new impressions in people's minds. Insight versus invention. A very different conversation and I appreciate that.

Thanking you for posting. This is an awesome podcast! Can't wait to listen to the rest of it.

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On a side note, it makes me reconsider the "best band" argument and cements that The Revolution was in fact the best.

There was definitely a lot of collaboration with all the band if only with some the comradeship aside from talent that adds so much texture to it. The music from this era offers so much more depth and texture in a way someone alone on their own simply cannot.

[Edited 8/28/20 16:52pm]

muleFunk said:

Prince had hit songs a long goddamn time after whatever contributions they gave him.

I mean, he had some hits after, but a "long time" after is stretching the truth. He had "hits" for like another 6-7 years tops, at least according to chart positions:

https://en.wikipedia.org/...iscography

muleFunk said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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And crazily enough they were also around all the time and thus CAN PROVIDE ACTAL INSIGHT. Who the fuck doesn't want to hear from the very people who Prince so trusted that he told them to play around with his tracks and add their own ideas UNSUPERVISED?

.

Meanwhile there are whiners who ask why the SOTT band isn't interviewed here, ignoring that a) that band didn't exist in 86 and b) that band played on ZERO recordings.

.

Prince had DECADES to provide his side of the story, and didn't.

.

JFC some of you pretend that W&L were a footnote, meanwhile Prince remained obsessed with them for decades and dedicated songs to them and blamed them for the RG debacle (which of course they had zero involvement in) etc.

.

And every goddamn time you complainers open your mouth, it is crystal clear that you lot IMAGINE things and insert your own goddamn imaginary agendas into their words. You lot take words out of context and then bitch about it.

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You lot offer zero insight and pollute threads with this bullshit. I'd urge the Org mods to either ban you lot or apply timeouts whenever you post this bullshit.

Point is Bastard Prince is dead. Their contributions are no greater than Shelia, Jill, or others. Prince was the straw that stirred the drink. How many number one songs did they have after leaving? How many number one albums? Prince had hit songs a long goddamn time after whatever contributions they gave him. I happen to like them and their post Revolution music but goddamn they didn't make this album or Prince. Its PRINCE and the Revolution. Not The Revolution and it will BE like that forever.

I think that it is a greater shame every "could have been" great discussion thread gets warped into "Bash Wendy and Lisa who have been saying normal and completely in-line things this entire time" thread by the same usual suspects

It's a worth a second (and probably more) listening on a proper audio system.

This release is going to be mind-boggling.

Thank you Bernie.

W&L were VIPs to Prince at that time. Don't shit on history because u don't like them.

I hope Sheena Easton is interviewed in regards to UGTL.

icecreamcastle777 said:

I wished I would have known about the 1999 podcast! That's my favorite album and my favorite release. Why didn't everyone request for it to be on this forum like ya'll doing with SOTT so the people who didn't know about it could've listened to it. I have no interest in this SOTT podcast if I'm only gonna hear how the Revolution was the one to come up with everything. This Crap is getting depressing. Are they gonna be talking with the SOTT band? Missing Prince more than usual these days... [Edited 8/28/20 19:12pm]

This is just part one of the podcast series on SOTT and was focused explicitly about the begginings of SOTT which begins with the expansion and ending of the Revolution, so of course it is naturally going to be Revolution-heavy considering we are talking about Dream Factory era stuff

icecreamcastle777 said:

I wished I would have known about the 1999 podcast! That's my favorite album and my favorite release. Why didn't everyone request for it to be on this forum like ya'll doing with SOTT so the people who didn't know about it could've listened to it. I have no interest in this SOTT podcast if I'm only gonna hear how the Revolution was the one to come up with everything. This Crap is getting depressing. Are they gonna be talking with the SOTT band? Missing Prince more than usual these days... [Edited 8/28/20 19:12pm]

awwww "don't give up, I'll still love u"

Well a lot of the outtakes as well were more connected to the Dream Factory project. So what's the issue...

Also Eric Leeds Atlanta Bliss and Dr Fink were a part of the SOTT band(as well as the Revolution)

And as Eric stated, outside of them the SOTT performing band had were not a part of the concept/music creation etc

You know this though

Eric Leeds: Almost all of that stuff was starting to be done late '85 through '86 when The Revolution was still around. A lot of people equate all of the stuff that we think of as Sign 'O' the Times stuff with that band with Sheila E on drums and other people, because that was the band that went out and played that music, but they had nothing to do with any of the music that was on Sign 'O' the Times album, at least to my knowledge. Alot of that music, Wendy and Lisa might have more to do with some of that music than I would know.

sulls said:

LOVED the snip of Large Room!!!

Same here. Got a tiny bit emotional when I heard it, caught me by surprise.

I hope there'll be four episodes to this series as well, just like with 1999. It's something to fill the void between now and the release date of the box.

HamsterHuey said: