ufoclub said:

lurker316 said:

ufoclub said:

It's an office building with a large atrium, caged storage areas, multi-stall restrooms, a soundstage, roll up warehouse style doors, reception desk...

This buliding is Paisley Park Studios. I have the brochure from back in the day! I've been there before the museum/tour conversion.

Alll of that is true -- it was indeed a rentable studio. But that doesn't negate the fact that he did indeed live there at least part of the time, which is the definition of a home.

The logical mistake you're making is assuming it's availability as a rentable studio and its use as a home are mutually exclusive. They are not. It could, and at times was, both.

You also keep pointing out its original intent was stricktly as a studio. Perhaps. But again, regardless of its original intent, at points it became his home.

You are focussing on the definition of a shelter or domicile or dwelling as a "house". You are zeroed in on conceptual "use" instead of physical form as a category.


I am posting about the branding of the office structure as his (assumed to be custom built) literal house. Because of his wealth and the habit of stars like that having custom houses/properties that reflected their personality, people then think of this as the equivalant of his Graceland. In other words Prince should have had a star stature house, and this is it. This was the house. And that seems awful in the eyes of anyone that knows architecture or fancy homes.

The labeling of Paisley Park as his actual "house" is making people believe he constructed a custom home, and made it look like a generic corporate office building inside and out.

That is a mistaken belief, and one that actually makes him seem to have been bizarrely foolish, as if he was scammed by an architect or designer who slipped him an office building instead of a mansion.

For example, say you won the lottery and became notoriously wealthy. You were known for a startlingly original sense of fashion and theatrics. You bought and modified multiple homes that were actually quite cool, but towards the end of your life, you decided to stay in the corner of a standalone grocery store you started as business. If you died, and people said you were a millionaire and That was your house - pointing to the grocery store - then it might seem a bit odd, even insane. It's because it implies that the grocery store was your choice of form for your house when you had the means to have anything. It would contradict your taste you had so carefully publicized.

Another example: The art museum I worked at looks like this:

The museum director has an office suite complete with shower and place to sleep up there on the fourth floor. Now say, he was in between homes and stayed there, even ate his meals there. I would still not say that was literally his house. And a thousand years from now if someone was trying to figure out the culture here, if an article referred to this as his house, they might make a look of false assumptions.

So I'm not talking conceptually about what a house is or was for Prince. I'm talking about the public perception of what Prince's intention and tastes were based on the misconception that that building was intended to be his house, aesthetically and functionally. Let me put it another way, if there was a catalog of expensive houses you could choose from, a corporate office bulding form would not be in it.

For example, imagine if Paisley Park was included in this (it wouldn't fit, it would seem ridiculous):

https://www.architectural...f-all-time



As a Prince fanatic, I never referred to or thought of Paisley Park as Prince's house. I mean, you could call the studios on the phone. The number was listed. A receptionist answered. It was a business (that he oddly used as a home towards the end). That's a different notion than Prince putting on a concert and saying "This my house. You're in my house." He could say that at any venue because he is speaking conceptually. I feel like someone is going to quote him on calling PP his "house".

This could all be solved if they put the house in quotes.

His "house".

While I get the point of the post, y'all sorta fussin' over semantics and ceiling tiles. Prince clearly lived at Paisley Park, even with his temporary rentals (3121 house, etc.).

Call it whatcha want, 'ma call how it b.

TrivialPursuit said:

While I get the point of the post, y'all sorta fussin' over semantics and ceiling tiles. Prince clearly lived at Paisley Park, even with his temporary rentals (3121 house, etc.).

Call it whatcha want, 'ma call how it b.

I'm fussing because of things like the tweet in my initial post, not semantics. That's about Prince's rep. Basically the press should put house in quotes, and explain that it was a commercial industrial building that he crashed in those last few years.

ufoclub said:

I'm fussing because of things like the tweet in my initial post, not semantics. That's about Prince's rep. Basically the press should put house in quotes, and explain that it was a commercial industrial building that he crashed in those last few years.

I get where you're coming from, but it's where he slept, shit, ate, showered, fucked, and whatever else. It's like arguing (debating) that a 20 story high rise in New York isn't a home because it's a skyscraper, or has offices in the lower 1/3 of the building and is open to the public in those areas.

Prince wasn't at Paisley Park "those last few years." Folks forget that when he divorced Manula, he tore down the Galpin house (yellow house) in 2005. But where did he have to go after Galpin was gone? The purple house on Kiowa was already gone. Toronto? Maybe for a while, but with the Galpin house gone in 2005, they were already on the rocks. She filed for divorce in 2006. (The rumor was that he tore down the yellow house because she was vying for it in the divorce. Not sure if that's true, but the shade of it is excellent.) So where did he live from 2005-2016? There were rentals here and there. Those are likely for promotions (3121 house, maybe a Vegas rental or UK rental for the residencies).

Prince wasn't a vagabond. He made PP his home. Of course there are rooms with old computers or whatever. They were offices and work spaces, obvously. But to say PP wasn't his home seems obtuse. If PP wasn't his home, then what was? That's the bigger question. He even owned a home on Dakota not far from Paisley Park (south and east if memory serves), but he didn't live there. He owned another home just across Galpin in a development. Didn't live there (Kirk did). So - where was his home?

lurker316 said:

ufoclub said:

It's an office building with a large atrium, caged storage areas, multi-stall restrooms, a soundstage, roll up warehouse style doors, reception desk...

This buliding is Paisley Park Studios. I have the brochure from back in the day! I've been there before the museum/tour conversion.

There are two logical flaws with your argument:

1.) You keep framing it as a choice between two mutually exclusive purposes: either it was a recording studio or it was a home. As though it couldn't be both. But it could be both, and at times it was. To put it another way, you've created a false dichotomy.

2.) You also keep pointing out its original intent was stricktly as a studio (i.e. it was designed solely to be a studi). Perhaps. But again, regardless of its original intent and designer's plans, at points it became Prince's home.

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Here is the logic lapses in your list:

1. I am not framing anything. The article and the tweet I posted are framing. The negative call and response of ridiculing Prince is the result. With logic can you explain what has happened? Prince has been framed


2. I'm pointing out that style of construction is not that of a house, it is that of a generic corporate building. It is irrelevant how one uses it. I'm talking about the design category and the claim that Prince chose that aesthetic for his house.

TrivialPursuit said:

ufoclub said:

I'm fussing because of things like the tweet in my initial post, not semantics. That's about Prince's rep. Basically the press should put house in quotes, and explain that it was a commercial industrial building that he crashed in those last few years.

I get where you're coming from, but it's where he slept, shit, ate, showered, fucked, and whatever else. It's like arguing (debating) that a 20 story high rise in New York isn't a home because it's a skyscraper, or has offices in the lower 1/3 of the building and is open to the public in those areas.

Prince wasn't at Paisley Park "those last few years." Folks forget that when he divorced Manula, he tore down the Galpin house (yellow house) in 2005. But where did he have to go after Galpin was gone? The purple house on Kiowa was already gone. Toronto? Maybe for a while, but with the Galpin house gone in 2005, they were already on the rocks. She filed for divorce in 2006. (The rumor was that he tore down the yellow house because she was vying for it in the divorce. Not sure if that's true, but the shade of it is excellent.) So where did he live from 2005-2016? There were rentals here and there. Those are likely for promotions (3121 house, maybe a Vegas rental or UK rental for the residencies).

Prince wasn't a vagabond. He made PP his home. Of course there are rooms with old computers or whatever. They were offices and work spaces, obvously. But to say PP wasn't his home seems obtuse. If PP wasn't his home, then what was? That's the bigger question. He even owned a home on Dakota not far from Paisley Park (south and east if memory serves), but he didn't live there. He owned another home just across Galpin in a development. Didn't live there (Kirk did). So - where was his home?

He did live in a house during that 3121 stint, we have multiple reports of how he altered it and funrished it and had social as well as business meetings there, along with the parties at night. That was an example of a structure that he used as a home but it was also actually a house by design.

I'm not arguing that fact that he temporarily lived in Paisley Park. I'm arguing that it shouldn't be branded his house in prince lore for obvious reasons like the tweet I linked. Non prince fanatics won't get the context.

Also the idea that Prince wasn't a vagabond could be argued. Wasn't there mention of his whole life being in a couple of suitcases, even in Paisley Park?

And....

Obviously, he lived in a house with four wheels some times, two wings at others, and also lived in a different multistory house with strangers as roommates and room service in different cities while on tour, all his life

Prince did turn Paisley Park into his main living space while in Minneapolis/chanhassen. It was originally just a studio in which to work. At the time of his death, it was his primary residence. I think Prince wanted a more relaxed living style (to go along with his religous choices); like the sparse bedroom he slept in and not the elaborate bed that the rock star's character would have been associated with.

TrivialPursuit said:

ufoclub said:

I'm fussing because of things like the tweet in my initial post, not semantics. That's about Prince's rep. Basically the press should put house in quotes, and explain that it was a commercial industrial building that he crashed in those last few years.

I get where you're coming from, but it's where he slept, shit, ate, showered, fucked, and whatever else. It's like arguing (debating) that a 20 story high rise in New York isn't a home because it's a skyscraper, or has offices in the lower 1/3 of the building and is open to the public in those areas.

Prince wasn't at Paisley Park "those last few years." Folks forget that when he divorced Manula, he tore down the Galpin house (yellow house) in 2005. But where did he have to go after Galpin was gone? The purple house on Kiowa was already gone. Toronto? Maybe for a while, but with the Galpin house gone in 2005, they were already on the rocks. She filed for divorce in 2006. (The rumor was that he tore down the yellow house because she was vying for it in the divorce. Not sure if that's true, but the shade of it is excellent.) So where did he live from 2005-2016? There were rentals here and there. Those are likely for promotions (3121 house, maybe a Vegas rental or UK rental for the residencies).

Prince wasn't a vagabond. He made PP his home. Of course there are rooms with old computers or whatever. They were offices and work spaces, obvously. But to say PP wasn't his home seems obtuse. If PP wasn't his home, then what was? That's the bigger question. He even owned a home on Dakota not far from Paisley Park (south and east if memory serves), but he didn't live there. He owned another home just across Galpin in a development. Didn't live there (Kirk did). So - where was his home?

Don't forget that's where his meals were cooked. He had a chef. A kitchen, fridge.........

ufoclub said:

2. I'm pointing out that style of construction is not that of a house, it is that of a generic corporate building. It is irrelevant how one uses it. I'm talking about the design category and the claim that Prince chose that aesthetic for his house.

Yeah but that's what he built. It was built to be mixed use. I've never heard he built it to stay overnight during long workdays once in a blue moon, it was his house. It's totally a generic corporate building (alhough to be fair people were building that kind of thing in the 80's, it just needs more decks with views, and a swimming pool) but he treated it like a palace.

I'm more curious what would inspire him to keep the more traditional houses and more about how he was dividing his time and what was going on there.

luv4u said:

TrivialPursuit said:

I get where you're coming from, but it's where he slept, shit, ate, showered, fucked, and whatever else. It's like arguing (debating) that a 20 story high rise in New York isn't a home because it's a skyscraper, or has offices in the lower 1/3 of the building and is open to the public in those areas.

Don't forget that's where his meals were cooked. He had a chef. A kitchen, fridge.........

And all that Haagen-Dazs ice cream, wasn't it? haha

It's like that Temptations song, "Wherever he laid it hat was home..." and he certainly, permanently laid it at Paisley Park.

ufoclub said:

LoveGalore said:

ufoclub said:

He did live in a house during that 3121 stint, we have multiple reports of how he altered it and funrished it and had social as well as business meetings there, along with the parties at night. That was an example of a structure that he used as a home but it was also actually a house by design.

I'm not arguing that fact that he temporarily lived in Paisley Park. I'm arguing that it shouldn't be branded his house in prince lore for obvious reasons like the tweet I linked. Non prince fanatics won't get the context.

Also the idea that Prince wasn't a vagabond could be argued. Wasn't there mention of his whole life being in a couple of suitcases, even in Paisley Park?

And....

Obviously, he lived in a house with four wheels some times, two wings at others, and also lived in a different multistory house with strangers as roommates and room service in different cities while on tour, all his life

All this smoke over a random stupid tweet? Why is this occupying so much space in your head. Who cares if someone criticized the aesthetic? Honestly. Prince did not care one bit.

No I've seen Paisley Park ridiculed in a lot of places, because it looks like a joke if considered a house.

lavendardrummachine said:

ufoclub said:

2. I'm pointing out that style of construction is not that of a house, it is that of a generic corporate building. It is irrelevant how one uses it. I'm talking about the design category and the claim that Prince chose that aesthetic for his house.

Yeah but that's what he built. It was built to be mixed use. I've never heard he built it to stay overnight during long workdays once in a blue moon, it was his house. It's totally a generic corporate building (alhough to be fair people were building that kind of thing in the 80's, it just needs more decks with views, and a swimming pool) but he treated it like a palace.

I'm more curious what would inspire him to keep the more traditional houses and more about how he was dividing his time and what was going on there.

You might have the wrong idea. It was built with a lot of publicity, and brochures and the video I linked above. It was not EVER referred to as prince's house or home, and was not designed with that in mind. If I remember correctly, even in the time of the celebrations in the 2000's ( I went to the last one called Xenophobia) Prince had a house he went to that was seperate of Paisley Park (studios).

Watch this right here: https://www.youtube.com/w...bJyq_CHqZA
(never heard Prince's father speak, check it out)

Most corporate headquarters have a "master" office that might have a bed, kitchenette, bathroom. But they are not considered houses even if a CEO is crashing there (because his wife kicked him out). It's actually a point of comedy in many movies.

@ufoclub

i dig what youre saying because i felt the same exact way hearing PP referred to as, "his House"...

but like Luther and Dionne said, "A House Is Not A Home...."

Of course it was his house, be it only in the final decade.

For starters, it became his primary residence.

Sure it was originally designed as a studio for hire, but that was long ago. He shut it for hire and eventually moved in.

He would often say to guest audiences 'you're in my house now'.

And don't forget...'home is where the heart is'.

Lazy journalists might not understand the history of the place, but that's their problem. Paisley Park became Prince's home. Fact.

TrivialPursuit said:

ufoclub said:

I'm fussing because of things like the tweet in my initial post, not semantics. That's about Prince's rep. Basically the press should put house in quotes, and explain that it was a commercial industrial building that he crashed in those last few years.

I get where you're coming from, but it's where he slept, shit, ate, showered, fucked, and whatever else.

Prince shat?

You just shattered all my dreams.

bonatoc said:

TrivialPursuit said:

I get where you're coming from, but it's where he slept, shit, ate, showered, fucked, and whatever else.

Prince shat?

You just shattered all my dreams.

He even used the urinals in the public restroom in Paisley... next to strangers.

bonatoc said:

TrivialPursuit said:

I get where you're coming from, but it's where he slept, shit, ate, showered, fucked, and whatever else.

Prince shat?

You just shattered all my dreams.

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Bwahahahahahahahahahaaaaaa

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So OMG, he also did whipe his tiny bubbly purple tight coloured royal perfect muscular ass with regular toiletpaper ??!

...probably with the fragrence of lavender...

LOL

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Vannormal said:

bonatoc said:

Prince shat?

You just shattered all my dreams.

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Bwahahahahahahahahahaaaaaa

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So OMG, he also did whipe his tiny bubbly purple tight coloured royal perfect muscular ass with regular toiletpaper ??!

...probably with the fragrence of lavender...

LOL

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Surely, the doodoo itself was already scented like Lavender... no need for chemically enhanced toilet paper...

TrivialPursuit said:

luv4u said:

Don't forget that's where his meals were cooked. He had a chef. A kitchen, fridge.........

And all that Haagen-Dazs ice cream, wasn't it? haha

It's like that Temptations song, "Wherever he laid it hat was home..." and he certainly, permanently laid it at Paisley Park.

On a side note I do like Paul Young's version............ but that's another topic......

I am curious where Prince lived after he came back to Minnesota in 2009. Did he really move in to PP then? I know he had homes in the Longacres neighborhood (across the street from Galpin property) but I thought those were where band members stayed.

ufoclub said:

You might have the wrong idea. It was built with a lot of publicity, and brochures and the video I linked above. It was not EVER referred to as prince's house or home, and was not designed with that in mind. If I remember correctly, even in the time of the celebrations in the 2000's ( I went to the last one called Xenophobia) Prince had a house he went to that was seperate of Paisley Park (studios).

I can't document when the idea it was his home started, but I think it goes back to when the project was announced before they were marketing it as a rental facility. Obvously that idea has lingered. It's not some new idea. Like the Playboy Mansion, but more studio than house. It really would be considered mixed use.

It helps that he really did live in as a primary residence for periods of his life by his own choice. It was his home! House or not.

Even if it's just the bedroom off his office (that office is pretty meager too!) , we've heard stories about them having to decorate dressing rooms and hallways backstage to suit his aesthetic (part of the Prince mystique but it's really standard now) so I think it created some expectation fans had. Those comments aren't going away based on if you think it's his residence or his workplace.

I think even as a studio, most of us expected it to be more lavish especially the way the atrium room was described. Did it meet your expectations when you first visited it? People had the internet by 2000, so we got a little more sophisticated but I can't remember seeing a lot of photos in the 80's. I don't remember when I first saw the outside but I still though there was a less industrial wing to it.

Really cool to see Prince Sr. speech patterns in tha video! The pauses are very familiar. I always thought it was a reflection thing, but in his fathers case, it seems like reflection mixed with a smokers pause.

Home was where his heart was. I believew his heart was in Paisley Park.

Wlcm2thdwn3 said:

Home was where his heart was. I believew his heart was in Paisley Park.

his heart wasnt in Paisley Park...Paisley Park was in his heart

motherfunka said:

ufoclub said:

TrivialPursuit said:

While I get the point of the post, y'all sorta fussin' over semantics and ceiling tiles. Prince clearly lived at Paisley Park, even with his temporary rentals (3121 house, etc.).

Call it whatcha want, 'ma call how it b.

I'm fussing because of things like the tweet in my initial post, not semantics. That's about Prince's rep. Basically the press should put house in quotes, and explain that it was a commercial industrial building that he crashed in those last few years.

Someone tweets something that gets you that upset?
It was his home from the time he tore down the Galpin house in 2006 (with incidental rentals in Los Angeles and a beach house in T&C).

Home, house, studios, rehearsal, soundstage, club, museum. Pick a word.

rogifan said:

I am curious where Prince lived after he came back to Minnesota in 2009. Did he really move in to PP then? I know he had homes in the Longacres neighborhood (across the street from Galpin property) but I thought those were where band members stayed.

He had Paisley specifically remodeled for his full-time residence at that time (besides occasional visits to the T&C beach house). The funny story behind that fuzzy round bed will come out some day

The three properties in Red Fox Circle across from the Galpin property were for band members/employees; he never lived in those. Kirk lived in one; the Weltons and others lived in another (with an empty lot in between which has recently been built on).

Neither did he move into the 8016 Dakota Ave home that the Huntsberry family lived in for years (although he paid to have it renovated). Who lived there after renovation? Unknown.