Reply #30 posted 08/18/20 5:05pm
TheEnglishGent |
TryWhistlingThis said:
If the album does receive the Super Deluxe reissue treatment (ala PR, 1999 and SOTT), would there actually be any unreleased material from the vault from this album? Surely he released everything that he had recorded in that year or two for the album?
There's a bootleg of outtakes called, Emancipation
The Secret Chapter. Tracks are Slave 2 The System, New World, Slave, 2020, Feel Good, Right Back Here In My Arms, Journey 2 The Center of Your Heart, I am the DJ, Goodbye, Emancipation. There are other known outtakes and alternate cuts too. RIP |
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Reply #31 posted 08/18/20 6:41pm
RJOrion
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EMANCIPATION
1. Sleep Around 2. Slave 3. I Cant Make U Love Me 4. In This Bed Eye Scream 5. One Kiss At A Time 6. La, La, La Means I Love You 7. My Computer 8. Right Back Here In My Arms 9. New World 10. The Human Body 11. White Mansion 12. Da, Da, Da 13. Dreamin About U 14. One Of Us |
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Reply #32 posted 08/19/20 12:12am
funkbabyandthe babysitters
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I give up actually. This album has to be taken in its entirety more or less, flaws included lol |
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Reply #33 posted 08/19/20 12:47am
dodger |
TrivialPursuit said:
dodger said:
I’m with you on those, especially the title track, except "Joint 2 Joint." Surprised to see that on your bad list.
I've gone thru it with this song. Sometimes I love the weirdness of it, other times it's so fucking annoying. The sampled rapping, the tap dancing by Glover. It's nutz. I don't know that I'll ever resolve how I feel about it. In fairness, I don't always skip past it on the CD.
Nutz is the word. With a touch of genius.
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When he says 'come upstairs to my room' and you hear a door open it conjures up all kinds of images... burlesque dancers, jugglers, dwarfs in a big room with chandeliers and polished wooden floors.
At one point you can hear a whip (most likely a dwarf on the receiving end from a burlesque dancer).
The tap dancers (also dwarfs) are on a big long wooden table and P is over-looking from a balcony whilst playing guitar.
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Reply #34 posted 08/19/20 1:56am
TryWhistlingTh is |
funkbabyandthebabysitters said:
I give up actually. This album has to be taken in its entirety more or less, flaws included lol
That's always been my take on the album.
It's not my favourite Prince album but I do like it.
Self-indulgent? Insert sky + blue question here.
Overly long? Sure.
Messy and inconsistent? Much like my mornings.
But that's why I like the album and why I refuse to listen to the album in an abridged or partial session. It's either the full three hours or nothing at all. It's always been about the journey for me. |
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Reply #35 posted 08/19/20 3:52am
leecaldon
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TheEnglishGent said:
TryWhistlingThis said:
If the album does receive the Super Deluxe reissue treatment (ala PR, 1999 and SOTT), would there actually be any unreleased material from the vault from this album? Surely he released everything that he had recorded in that year or two for the album?
There's a bootleg of outtakes called, Emancipation
The Secret Chapter. Tracks are Slave 2 The System, New World, Slave, 2020, Feel Good, Right Back Here In My Arms, Journey 2 The Center of Your Heart, I am the DJ, Goodbye, Emancipation. There are other known outtakes and alternate cuts too.
I believe that sometime before, P said at a PP party that he was going to release a 50 track album. So that would suggest a bunch outtakes. |
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Reply #36 posted 08/19/20 5:06am
Hamad |
Every single song that ended up as outtakes, should've replaced some of the songs in the albums. They were ALL strong songs, I don't understand why they haven't made the cut. |
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Reply #37 posted 08/19/20 5:19am
JorisE73
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I would like to hear a earlier version of the album (if it exists) like with the Diamonds and Pearls Beginnings bootleg, without the overproduction and just plain weird loud sound of it. |
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Reply #38 posted 08/19/20 5:25am
Reply #39 posted 08/19/20 5:42am
NouveauDance |
funkbabyandthebabysitters said:
as next year will be the 25th anniversary of this album
Where did the time go?!
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I think the Emancipation 1CD version wishlists have been done to death so I won't add mine, but just to say I think the album is aging well. The songwriting on Emancipation was never the problem, it was the production that leveled off all the rough edges and interesting nooks and crannies to give a very cohesive, but flat, homogeneous sound that stuck around until The Rainbow Children.
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As I return to the album in recent years, I realise more than ever that the positives outweigh the negatives and there's at least a double album's worth of really good songs here. |
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Reply #40 posted 08/19/20 6:13am
RJOrion
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Emancipation's LP cover is one of Prince's best |
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Reply #41 posted 08/19/20 12:41pm
nayroo2002
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dodger said:
TrivialPursuit said:
I've gone thru it with this song. Sometimes I love the weirdness of it, other times it's so fucking annoying. The sampled rapping, the tap dancing by Glover. It's nutz. I don't know that I'll ever resolve how I feel about it. In fairness, I don't always skip past it on the CD.
Nutz is the word. With a touch of genius.
.
When he says 'come upstairs to my room' and you hear a door open it conjures up all kinds of images... burlesque dancers, jugglers, dwarfs in a big room with chandeliers and polished wooden floors.
At one point you can hear a whip (most likely a dwarf on the receiving end from a burlesque dancer).
The tap dancers (also dwarfs) are on a big long wooden table and P is over-looking from a balcony whilst playing guitar.
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best song on the opus!
3 jams "come 2gether" as one to make a fourth jam
"Whatever skin we're in
we all need 2 b friends" |
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Reply #42 posted 08/19/20 3:25pm
TrivialPursuit
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dodger said:
Nutz is the word. With a touch of genius.
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When he says 'come upstairs to my room' and you hear a door open it conjures up all kinds of images... burlesque dancers, jugglers, dwarfs in a big room with chandeliers and polished wooden floors.
At one point you can hear a whip (most likely a dwarf on the receiving end from a burlesque dancer).
The tap dancers (also dwarfs) are on a big long wooden table and P is over-looking from a balcony whilst playing guitar.
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" don’t really care so much what people say about me because it is a reflection of who they r." |
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Reply #43 posted 08/20/20 12:56am
dodger |
TrivialPursuit said:
dodger said:
Nutz is the word. With a touch of genius.
.
When he says 'come upstairs to my room' and you hear a door open it conjures up all kinds of images... burlesque dancers, jugglers, dwarfs in a big room with chandeliers and polished wooden floors.
At one point you can hear a whip (most likely a dwarf on the receiving end from a burlesque dancer).
The tap dancers (also dwarfs) are on a big long wooden table and P is over-looking from a balcony whilst playing guitar.
.
Six dwarfs carry a burlesque dancer, played by Carmen Electra, up the marble stairs to P’s balcony. Just as they begin their embrace in sweet gypsy moans he sees Mayte’s face in the huge heart-shaped mirror above the bed.. . He shrugs Carmen off, runs down the fire escape at the back of the building and jumps into a waiting yellow cab. He tells the driver, who is HM (Half Man) Buff and obviously a dwarf, to drive while he writes the lyrics to Friend, Lover, Sister, Mother/Wife... |
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Reply #44 posted 08/20/20 6:41pm
TrivialPursuit
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dodger said:
Six dwarfs carry a burlesque dancer, played by Carmen Electra, up the marble stairs to P’s balcony. Just as they begin their embrace in sweet gypsy moans he sees Mayte’s face in the huge heart-shaped mirror above the bed.. . He shrugs Carmen off, runs down the fire escape at the back of the building and jumps into a waiting yellow cab. He tells the driver, who is HM (Half Man) Buff and obviously a dwarf, to drive while he writes the lyrics to Friend, Lover, Sister, Mother/Wife...
" don’t really care so much what people say about me because it is a reflection of who they r." |
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Reply #45 posted 08/23/20 4:51pm
Graycap23 |
The project is fine as is.
There was a master plan 2 market that album.......and EMI closed its doors out of the blue. FOOLS multiply when WISE Men & Women are silent. |
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Reply #46 posted 08/25/20 9:50pm
Shockedelicus |
Yes. This is the definitive, inarguable, perfect version of a single-disc Emancipation.
1. Slave Jam of the Year
2. Right Back Here in my Arms
3. Somebody's Somebody
4. The Love We Make
5. Style
6. In This Bed I Scream
7. Sex in the Summer
8. White Mansion
9. One Kiss at a Time
10. Sleep Around
11. Damned if Eye Do
12. The Holy River
13. Emancipation
[Edited 8/25/20 21:52pm] [Edited 9/3/20 18:19pm] |
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Reply #47 posted 08/26/20 12:33am
funkycat00 |
I'd leave out the cover songs. Makes condensing down tracks easer. |
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Reply #48 posted 08/26/20 1:57am
leecaldon
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funkycat00 said:
I'd leave out the cover songs. Makes condensing down tracks easer.
Although part of Prince's 'emancipation' was to be able to include covers on an album for the first time. |
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Reply #49 posted 08/26/20 2:23am
NouveauDance |
leecaldon said:
funkycat00 said:
I'd leave out the cover songs. Makes condensing down tracks easer.
Although part of Prince's 'emancipation' was to be able to include covers on an album for the first time.
There was nothing stopping him from doing cover songs with Warners. |
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Reply #50 posted 08/31/20 3:56am
leecaldon
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NouveauDance said:
leecaldon said:
Although part of Prince's 'emancipation' was to be able to include covers on an album for the first time.
There was nothing stopping him from doing cover songs with Warners.
I remember him saying something in an interview. More likely it was the publishers who would care about that. |
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Reply #51 posted 08/31/20 7:42pm
controversy99 |
Shockedelicus said:
Yes. This is the definitive, inarguable, perfect version of a single-disc Emancipation.
1. Jam of the Year
2. Right Back Here in my Arms
3. Somebody's Somebody
4. The Love We Make
5. Style
6. In This Bed I Scream
7. Sex in the Summer
8. White Mansion
9. One Kiss at a Time
10. Sleep Around
11. Damned if Eye Do
12. The Holy River
13. Emancipation
[Edited 8/25/20 21:52pm]
I agree with much of this, but ... any version that includes Jam of the Year has a problem. That is one of the worst openers of his career.
right back here in my arms
new world
in this bed eye scream
somebody's somebody
white mansion
one kiss at a time
soul sanctuary
curious child
dreamin about u
the holy river
da, da, da emale
lets have a baby style
my computer
one of us
the love we make
emancipation
"Love & honesty, peace & harmony" |
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Reply #52 posted 09/01/20 12:56pm
slyjackson |
controversy99 said:
Shockedelicus said:
Yes. This is the definitive, inarguable, perfect version of a single-disc Emancipation.
1. Jam of the Year
2. Right Back Here in my Arms
3. Somebody's Somebody
4. The Love We Make
5. Style
6. In This Bed I Scream
7. Sex in the Summer
8. White Mansion
9. One Kiss at a Time
10. Sleep Around
11. Damned if Eye Do
12. The Holy River
13. Emancipation
[Edited 8/25/20 21:52pm]
I agree with much of this, but ... any version that includes Jam of the Year has a problem. That is one of the worst openers of his career.
right back here in my arms
new world
in this bed eye scream
somebody's somebody
white mansion
one kiss at a time
soul sanctuary
curious child
dreamin about u
the holy river
da, da, da emale
lets have a baby style
my computer
one of us
the love we make
emancipation
Yeah I don't get the appeal of that song, I t's kind of awful. |
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Reply #53 posted 09/01/20 1:31pm
purplethunder3 121 |
TrivialPursuit said:
dodger said:
Six dwarfs carry a burlesque dancer, played by Carmen Electra, up the marble stairs to P’s balcony. Just as they begin their embrace in sweet gypsy moans he sees Mayte’s face in the huge heart-shaped mirror above the bed.. . He shrugs Carmen off, runs down the fire escape at the back of the building and jumps into a waiting yellow cab. He tells the driver, who is HM (Half Man) Buff and obviously a dwarf, to drive while he writes the lyrics to Friend, Lover, Sister, Mother/Wife...
"Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything." --Plato
https://youtu.be/CVwv9LZMah0 |
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Reply #54 posted 09/02/20 12:56pm
TrivialPursuit
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slyjackson said:
controversy99 said:
any version that includes Jam of the Year has a problem. That is one of the worst openers of his career.
Yeah I don't get the appeal of that song, I t's kind of awful.
I edited it down and took out all that stupid talking and extra shit. It feels more cohesive. "Damned If I Do" would've been a better opener for disk 1.
And frankly, the title track is just as weak as JOTY if you think about it.
" don’t really care so much what people say about me because it is a reflection of who they r." |
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Reply #55 posted 09/03/20 8:23am
Reply #56 posted 09/03/20 8:31am
RighteousOne |
I think it would have been a killer single CD. |
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Reply #57 posted 09/03/20 11:30am
dodger |
TrivialPursuit said:
slyjackson said:
controversy99 said:
any version that includes Jam of the Year has a problem. That is one of the worst openers of his career.
Yeah I don't get the appeal of that song, I t's kind of awful.
I edited it down and took out all that stupid talking and extra shit. It feels more cohesive. "Damned If I Do" would've been a better opener for disk 1.
And frankly, the title track is just as weak as JOTY if you think about it.
I’ve tried to get into Damned If I Do several times over the years but it just grates me. . The shitty drums sound so un-Michael B, his vocal delivery reminds me of Avril Lavigne and the guitar bits could’ve been used for a Friends interlude |
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Reply #58 posted 09/03/20 12:46pm
TrivialPursuit
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dodger said:
I’ve tried to get into Damned If I Do several times over the years but it just grates me. . The shitty drums sound so un-Michael B, his vocal delivery reminds me of Avril Lavigne and the guitar bits could’ve been used for a Friends interlude
This sort of supports the ongoing notion that sometimes Prince songs sound better live. It was obvious when a song like "Get Yo Groove On" was pretty good on record, but during the Emancipation concert, it was great. It was funky, kinetic. The falsetto on the record thinned it out, but his regular voice live made it a whole different song. I really wish I'd heard "Damned If I Do" live. I think it would've rocked.
Emancipation was also the beginnings of his overly compressed, flat, acrylic production that permeated many of his records in the aughts and beyond. The Rainbow Children sorta stands out like a sore thumb because it doesn't have that flat plastic sound that other albums did, which is weird that he bounced between totally different types of productions like that. TRC is almost an anomoly in that way.
I really believe if he had brought in a band way more often, as he did in the mid 90s with TGE, Come, Exodus, Chaos, that Emancipation would've been a whole different ballgame. I don't hate the record. I just feel like it could've given more if he had nurtured it a bit.
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Reply #59 posted 09/03/20 2:13pm
MendesCity
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There's a thread on this every week.
So this week I'll say "Prince in domestic bliss" is the least interesting Prince. |
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