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Reply #60 posted 07/24/20 2:57pm

ChocolateBox31
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homesquid said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

How? Like, for real, how did he make an ass of himself? He just didn't want to join the session, so what? He didn't do out of malice. He just didn't swing that way. He offered a guitar part and his own song. So I guess he kinda participated.

He made an ass out of himself on stage. Everyone is singing a good-natured song and Prince sucks on a lollypop. He looked like a bitch.

rolleyes

Speak for yourself!

"That mountain top situation is not really what it's all cracked up 2 B when eye was doing the Purple Rain tour eye had a lot of people who eye knew eye'll never c again @ the concerts.just screamin n places they thought they was suppose 2 scream."prince
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Reply #61 posted 07/24/20 6:35pm

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SPYZFAN1 said:

Quincy is still mad that P never showed up at the "We Are The World" sessions..or the time he put his lollipop in his face at that awards show years ago. biggrin



True this. lol
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Reply #62 posted 07/26/20 7:44am

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It's not that hard to understand: Prince stuck to a vision that was very personal; unique by design.
He was striving for originality, personality, a singular vision, something he could call his own, taking from many influences and mixing them until you couldn't describe Prince's music as being anything but Prince's.

So of course he was allergic to this kind of anthem that aims at maximum popularity, one where every individuality is supposed to disappear into one and only credo ; which sounds like communism, by the way.
And super hypocritical coming from Americans reveling in Reagania, money flowing from everywhere to the star system. People who couldn't give a rat's ass fuck about what was happening in the rest of the world, while all the richness of the West was being amassed on paying miserable wages to the Third World to sew their sport shoes.

No one cared, until MJ had the bare minimum decency of copying Geldof, probably in good spirits, but also to satisfy his rampant ego problem. The best-selling record of all time finished to wreck an already fragile mindset, a mental issue which would culminate into the Stalinist cover of "History".

To think Prince respected Michael for years is beyond me. MJ’s atrocious vanity is responsible for all the selfies and the Kanye Wests of the world, this belief that we should adore someone as a demi-god, without questioning the person, or her way of life (Oh hello, Neverland).
Maybe MJ only happened to be a stimulating competition for Prince, and nothing more.

It doesn't matter if "We Are The World" was for a greater good.
Prince believed in singing about universal themes HIS WAY.
And his Seventh Church upbringing made him believe in Uptown, a Feast of Friends instead of a Giant Family.
Prince probably started charities on his own, without ostentation, way before MJ, Q and Richie thought of their marketing coup.

In addition, Prince was smart. He was playful, believed in the adolescent fire, but a child he wasn't.
"Africa divided hijack in the air" is a much more telling lyric about where the source of the African hunger problem lied.

This thinking that it only takes a boy scouts refrain to "heal the world" and buying a 45rpm is not only naive, but deresponsibilized every Western citizen from foreign politics for at least a decade, keeping them into their comfort bubble.

Thank God for "Sun City", the only super-band song that had the guts to tell it like it is.
Didn't wait for Agent Orange to yell that Black Lives Matter.
Pity it didn't trickle into the streets of America.

That one Prince could have contributed to with a kick-ass axe solo,
intertwining with Miles’ screaks.


[Edited 7/26/20 8:04am]

The Colors R brighter, the Bond is much tighter
No Child's a failure
Until the Blue Sailboat sails him away from his dreams
Don't Ever Lose, Don't Ever Lose
Don't Ever Lose Your Dreams
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Reply #63 posted 07/26/20 8:15am

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bonatoc said:

So of course he was allergic to this kind of anthem that aims at maximum popularity, one where every individuality is supposed to disappear into one and only credo ; which sounds like communism, by the way.


I think the word you're looking for is "solidarity."

No opinion on Prince and 'We Are the World," but it's crazy how often such Red Scare bullshit pops up on the org.

Ask anyone in the military whether organizations in which "individuality is supposed to disappear into one and only credo" (whatever that means) is inherently "communist."

Or any given sports team.

Or any corporation that requires its workers to wear uniforms. You think McDonalds is communist, because they have a dress code?

The idea that anyone should resist working together toward a common cause because "oH nO cOmmUNisM" is the kind of crap that is driving America's slow suicide. But hey, "freedom," right?

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Reply #64 posted 07/26/20 9:34am

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Q has always had a problem with being in the shadows. His input throughout the years has been crucial but he always tries to downplay the artist and talk up his work.
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Reply #65 posted 07/26/20 10:53am

Mikado

bonatoc said:

It's not that hard to understand: Prince stuck to a vision that was very personal; unique by design.
He was striving for originality, personality, a singular vision, something he could call his own, taking from many influences and mixing them until you couldn't describe Prince's music as being anything but Prince's.

So of course he was allergic to this kind of anthem that aims at maximum popularity, one where every individuality is supposed to disappear into one and only credo ; which sounds like communism, by the way.
And super hypocritical coming from Americans reveling in Reagania, money flowing from everywhere to the star system. People who couldn't give a rat's ass fuck about what was happening in the rest of the world, while all the richness of the West was being amassed on paying miserable wages to the Third World to sew their sport shoes.

No one cared, until MJ had the bare minimum decency of copying Geldof, probably in good spirits, but also to satisfy his rampant ego problem. The best-selling record of all time finished to wreck an already fragile mindset, a mental issue which would culminate into the Stalinist cover of "History".

To think Prince respected Michael for years is beyond me. MJ’s atrocious vanity is responsible for all the selfies and the Kanye Wests of the world, this belief that we should adore someone as a demi-god, without questioning the person, or her way of life (Oh hello, Neverland).
Maybe MJ only happened to be a stimulating competition for Prince, and nothing more.

It doesn't matter if "We Are The World" was for a greater good.
Prince believed in singing about universal themes HIS WAY.
And his Seventh Church upbringing made him believe in Uptown, a Feast of Friends instead of a Giant Family.
Prince probably started charities on his own, without ostentation, way before MJ, Q and Richie thought of their marketing coup.

In addition, Prince was smart. He was playful, believed in the adolescent fire, but a child he wasn't.
"Africa divided hijack in the air" is a much more telling lyric about where the source of the African hunger problem lied.

This thinking that it only takes a boy scouts refrain to "heal the world" and buying a 45rpm is not only naive, but deresponsibilized every Western citizen from foreign politics for at least a decade, keeping them into their comfort bubble.

Thank God for "Sun City", the only super-band song that had the guts to tell it like it is.
Didn't wait for Agent Orange to yell that Black Lives Matter.
Pity it didn't trickle into the streets of America.

That one Prince could have contributed to with a kick-ass axe solo,
intertwining with Miles’ screaks.


[Edited 7/26/20 8:04am]


We Are The World raised over $60 million for humanitarian aid in Africa. It's a bit of a shite song - rather corny too, but it got the job done. After all, you're still talking about it and writing long, painful screeds against a silly charity song almost 40 years after its release.

A certain kind of mellow.
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Reply #66 posted 07/26/20 11:04am

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Mikado said:

bonatoc said:

It's not that hard to understand: Prince stuck to a vision that was very personal; unique by design.
He was striving for originality, personality, a singular vision, something he could call his own, taking from many influences and mixing them until you couldn't describe Prince's music as being anything but Prince's.

So of course he was allergic to this kind of anthem that aims at maximum popularity, one where every individuality is supposed to disappear into one and only credo ; which sounds like communism, by the way.
And super hypocritical coming from Americans reveling in Reagania, money flowing from everywhere to the star system. People who couldn't give a rat's ass fuck about what was happening in the rest of the world, while all the richness of the West was being amassed on paying miserable wages to the Third World to sew their sport shoes.

No one cared, until MJ had the bare minimum decency of copying Geldof, probably in good spirits, but also to satisfy his rampant ego problem. The best-selling record of all time finished to wreck an already fragile mindset, a mental issue which would culminate into the Stalinist cover of "History".

To think Prince respected Michael for years is beyond me. MJ’s atrocious vanity is responsible for all the selfies and the Kanye Wests of the world, this belief that we should adore someone as a demi-god, without questioning the person, or her way of life (Oh hello, Neverland).
Maybe MJ only happened to be a stimulating competition for Prince, and nothing more.

It doesn't matter if "We Are The World" was for a greater good.
Prince believed in singing about universal themes HIS WAY.
And his Seventh Church upbringing made him believe in Uptown, a Feast of Friends instead of a Giant Family.
Prince probably started charities on his own, without ostentation, way before MJ, Q and Richie thought of their marketing coup.

In addition, Prince was smart. He was playful, believed in the adolescent fire, but a child he wasn't.
"Africa divided hijack in the air" is a much more telling lyric about where the source of the African hunger problem lied.

This thinking that it only takes a boy scouts refrain to "heal the world" and buying a 45rpm is not only naive, but deresponsibilized every Western citizen from foreign politics for at least a decade, keeping them into their comfort bubble.

Thank God for "Sun City", the only super-band song that had the guts to tell it like it is.
Didn't wait for Agent Orange to yell that Black Lives Matter.
Pity it didn't trickle into the streets of America.

That one Prince could have contributed to with a kick-ass axe solo,
intertwining with Miles’ screaks.


[Edited 7/26/20 8:04am]


We Are The World raised over $60 million for humanitarian aid in Africa. It's a bit of a shite song - rather corny too, but it got the job done. After all, you're still talking about it and writing long, painful screeds against a silly charity song almost 40 years after its release.

The remake was even MORE horrid! I am SO GLAD Prince{r.i.p.}didn't participate in both .

[Edited 7/26/20 11:21am]

"That mountain top situation is not really what it's all cracked up 2 B when eye was doing the Purple Rain tour eye had a lot of people who eye knew eye'll never c again @ the concerts.just screamin n places they thought they was suppose 2 scream."prince
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Reply #67 posted 07/26/20 11:10am

Free2BMe

bonatoc said:

It's not that hard to understand: Prince stuck to a vision that was very personal; unique by design.
He was striving for originality, personality, a singular vision, something he could call his own, taking from many influences and mixing them until you couldn't describe Prince's music as being anything but Prince's.

So of course he was allergic to this kind of anthem that aims at maximum popularity, one where every individuality is supposed to disappear into one and only credo ; which sounds like communism, by the way.
And super hypocritical coming from Americans reveling in Reagania, money flowing from everywhere to the star system. People who couldn't give a rat's ass fuck about what was happening in the rest of the world, while all the richness of the West was being amassed on paying miserable wages to the Third World to sew their sport shoes.

No one cared, until MJ had the bare minimum decency of copying Geldof, probably in good spirits, but also to satisfy his rampant ego problem. The best-selling record of all time finished to wreck an already fragile mindset, a mental issue which would culminate into the Stalinist cover of "History".

To think Prince respected Michael for years is beyond me. MJ’s atrocious vanity is responsible for all the selfies and the Kanye Wests of the world, this belief that we should adore someone as a demi-god, without questioning the person, or her way of life (Oh hello, Neverland).
Maybe MJ only happened to be a stimulating competition for Prince, and nothing more.

It doesn't matter if "We Are The World" was for a greater good.
Prince believed in singing about universal themes HIS WAY.
And his Seventh Church upbringing made him believe in Uptown, a Feast of Friends instead of a Giant Family.
Prince probably started charities on his own, without ostentation, way before MJ, Q and Richie thought of their marketing coup.

In addition, Prince was smart. He was playful, believed in the adolescent fire, but a child he wasn't.
"Africa divided hijack in the air" is a much more telling lyric about where the source of the African hunger problem lied.

This thinking that it only takes a boy scouts refrain to "heal the world" and buying a 45rpm is not only naive, but deresponsibilized every Western citizen from foreign politics for at least a decade, keeping them into their comfort bubble.

Thank God for "Sun City", the only super-band song that had the guts to tell it like it is.
Didn't wait for Agent Orange to yell that Black Lives Matter.
Pity it didn't trickle into the streets of America.

That one Prince could have contributed to with a kick-ass axe solo,
intertwining with Miles’ screaks.



[Edited 7/26/20 8:04am]




You got all kind of shit wrong in your rant against MJ. Typical. Maybe I missed something but why are you blaming Michael for the “We Are The World” project? Wasn’t that the idea of Stevie Wonder and Quincy Jones? Quincy asked Michael and Lionel to write a song. According to Lionel, Michael was the one who composed the majority of the song, and Lionel stated that he only had minimal imput. WTF does that have to do with Michael “copying” Geldof. You people always come up with BS to take a swipe at MJ. Btw, what gives you the audacity to think that Prince respected Michael anymore than Michael respected him? Speculation? Rumor? It was Michael that always tried to be friendly to Prince, not the other way around. So where do you come up with the rationale that Prince was the o e doing the respecting? Bullshit.

Another topic that you rant about is “vanity”. How the hell are you going to talk as if MJ was vain and Prince was not? Everybody and their “mama”, including everybody that worked with Prince KNEW that he was vain. For YEARS, I have heard people, even fellow artists, speak of how arrogant and vain Prince was. Jimmie and Terry, Morris, Jessie, Andre just to name a FEW. FTR, most people who worked with MJ,met him, or knew him said he was very humble. I’ve never heard ANYONE say that Michael was arrogant around them. Of course, you want to portray MJ in the worst light and act as if vanity only applies to him. I guess you forget that music aficionados that have been around for over 35+ years, like me, know about BOTH Prince AND MJ. You are not regurgitating this crap around some teenager who has not been around to debunk your rhetoric.

FINALLY, as usual, you want to put all the blame on Michael because Prince didn’t participate in the We Are The World project. That was Prince’s decision and his decision alone. WTF did Michael have to do with that decision? Of course, you and others HAVE to drag MJ into your distorted discussion, as an EXCUSE for your agenda to diminish or tear down MJ at every opportunity. Grow the fu*k up, MJ had shit to do with why Prince didn’t participate in We Are The World. Prince wanted to his own thing,because Prince’s vanity would never allow him to work with others on something that he didn’t control. That’s the way Prince was; a d you, other fans and even non-fans know what I am saying is the truth. However, don’t try and act as if MJ was the reason for Prince’s vanity decision.FTR, I have no problem with Prince submitting his own song to the album. I just have a problem with him acting as if the project wasn’t worthy of his involvement. That was arrogant and vain.

I’m truly sick of people stirring the MJ vs Prince pot. It has no validity and makes you and others like you look immature and insecure.

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Reply #68 posted 07/26/20 12:58pm

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Quincy Jones was/is an ass. Scotty Baldwin said even though Prince is known for the guitar he thinks Prince's best instrument was piano.

We are the World is a horrible song, second only to Do They Know it's Christmastime in cheese factor.

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Reply #69 posted 07/27/20 1:08am

BlueShakooo

ian said:

I think Quincy's comments were fair tbh. I know the "purple army" often likes to imagine that Prince was the best at everything. That's silly though, he never needed to be that, it was never the point. We do him a disservice by exaggerating his talent, because it is already awesome enough that he covered many instruments competently enough to compose, arrange, perform, and produce great songs.



He got a lot better as an instrumentalist over the course of his 40 year career of course, but like any musician he had limitations. He understood these limitations which is why he surrounded himself with better players throughout his career and harnessed their talent and contributions.



We have to remember - Quincy worked with the best session players in the business. Of course if you are used to working with world-class pianists, bassists, drummers and guitarists, you'll have have a much more balanced view of Prince's capacity across those instruments. The point is though, he was good enough on all those instruments to service his music. That's incredible enough already, he never needed to be a virtuoso on any instrument.

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Reply #70 posted 07/27/20 1:09am

BlueShakooo

Hamad said:

Not this shit again. Am I seeing people taking shots at Quincy’s musical body of work? I understand this is a place that’s one step away from being a Prince worship hall, but some of you are loud & wrong. Your feelings about what he said aside, the man’s discography starting from his early days with Lionel Hampton all the way to our present day cannot touched, and furthermore the “Prince Vs Quincy” comparison is useless, both are very important to the culture & music, to hell with your biased feelings. When all this jibber jabber ends & forgotten, both of their music will endure.
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Reply #71 posted 07/27/20 3:57am

DonRants

Not sure I buy this clip. Needs more context.

Funny people saying Quincy "in his old age." The clip shows a younger Quincy , I am guessing this is from the 1980s. People forget too that Quincy is use to working with Jazz virtuosos...not a lot of pop musicians are going to impress him...hence this statement as well as him saying similar things about the Beatles. The public equates becoming popular with being good. But that is not necessarily true. If it were true, blues and jazz greats would be the most famous musicans in the world. Because Prince or the Beatles became popular...does not mean they will impress someone with Quincy's discerning ear.

Also why is it that nowadays, any critique makes you a hater? I remember listening to Prince's piano work on his last tour and though I enjoyed it, I remember thinking; "he isn't as good as Elton John on Piano"...I was not hating...I was just making an observation and comparison. So no, I don't think Quincy is hating...he is just being blunt. He is stating his opinion ... providing what he said in this clip is true and his meaning wasn't tappered with in the editing.

Edit: I must add one thing. Prince's style of playing is perfect for the studio. He leaves a lot of space for other instruments to fill in. That to me is the incredible thing about him..the sum is a lot more that the parts. So he is a very good guitarist...competent on the base,drums..excellent drum and synth programmer...but all those skills together...Freaking amazing. I hope there is footage of Prince recording in the studio and I hope one day the estate releases it.

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Reply #72 posted 07/27/20 5:49pm

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Was this from the same interview where Quincy said Prince tries to do too much by himself? I honestly think Quincy wasn't familar enough with Prince's work to have valid opinion. It sounds like he was basing it on Prince's minimalist sound of the mid 80s. He sound's just too dismissive and basic to have an indepth incite to Prince's work. Was Prince the greatest piano player in the world? No. But I think he was expressive and in tune with himself in many ways that a lot of a better trained musicians weren't. With Prince it was about the feeling of the music not the complexity.

Quincy wasn't just digging at Prince piano skills but his work as a whole. What would Quincy come with in the studio by himself without the help of phenomenal songwriters, and musicians? Quincy is primarily an arranger. He could put the pieces together but couldn't come up with those pieces by himself. Would he like his work to be judged based on his average skills as a trumpet player and pianist?

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Reply #73 posted 07/27/20 6:26pm

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Free2BMe said:

bonatoc said:

It's not that hard to understand: Prince stuck to a vision that was very personal; unique by design.
He was striving for originality, personality, a singular vision, something he could call his own, taking from many influences and mixing them until you couldn't describe Prince's music as being anything but Prince's.

So of course he was allergic to this kind of anthem that aims at maximum popularity, one where every individuality is supposed to disappear into one and only credo ; which sounds like communism, by the way.
And super hypocritical coming from Americans reveling in Reagania, money flowing from everywhere to the star system. People who couldn't give a rat's ass fuck about what was happening in the rest of the world, while all the richness of the West was being amassed on paying miserable wages to the Third World to sew their sport shoes.

No one cared, until MJ had the bare minimum decency of copying Geldof, probably in good spirits, but also to satisfy his rampant ego problem. The best-selling record of all time finished to wreck an already fragile mindset, a mental issue which would culminate into the Stalinist cover of "History".

To think Prince respected Michael for years is beyond me. MJ’s atrocious vanity is responsible for all the selfies and the Kanye Wests of the world, this belief that we should adore someone as a demi-god, without questioning the person, or her way of life (Oh hello, Neverland).
Maybe MJ only happened to be a stimulating competition for Prince, and nothing more.

It doesn't matter if "We Are The World" was for a greater good.
Prince believed in singing about universal themes HIS WAY.
And his Seventh Church upbringing made him believe in Uptown, a Feast of Friends instead of a Giant Family.
Prince probably started charities on his own, without ostentation, way before MJ, Q and Richie thought of their marketing coup.

In addition, Prince was smart. He was playful, believed in the adolescent fire, but a child he wasn't.
"Africa divided hijack in the air" is a much more telling lyric about where the source of the African hunger problem lied.

This thinking that it only takes a boy scouts refrain to "heal the world" and buying a 45rpm is not only naive, but deresponsibilized every Western citizen from foreign politics for at least a decade, keeping them into their comfort bubble.

Thank God for "Sun City", the only super-band song that had the guts to tell it like it is.
Didn't wait for Agent Orange to yell that Black Lives Matter.
Pity it didn't trickle into the streets of America.

That one Prince could have contributed to with a kick-ass axe solo,
intertwining with Miles’ screaks.



[Edited 7/26/20 8:04am]




You got all kind of shit wrong in your rant against MJ. Typical. Maybe I missed something but why are you blaming Michael for the “We Are The World” project? Wasn’t that the idea of Stevie Wonder and Quincy Jones? Quincy asked Michael and Lionel to write a song. According to Lionel, Michael was the one who composed the majority of the song, and Lionel stated that he only had minimal imput. WTF does that have to do with Michael “copying” Geldof. You people always come up with BS to take a swipe at MJ. Btw, what gives you the audacity to think that Prince respected Michael anymore than Michael respected him? Speculation? Rumor? It was Michael that always tried to be friendly to Prince, not the other way around. So where do you come up with the rationale that Prince was the o e doing the respecting? Bullshit.

Another topic that you rant about is “vanity”. How the hell are you going to talk as if MJ was vain and Prince was not? Everybody and their “mama”, including everybody that worked with Prince KNEW that he was vain. For YEARS, I have heard people, even fellow artists, speak of how arrogant and vain Prince was. Jimmie and Terry, Morris, Jessie, Andre just to name a FEW. FTR, most people who worked with MJ,met him, or knew him said he was very humble. I’ve never heard ANYONE say that Michael was arrogant around them. Of course, you want to portray MJ in the worst light and act as if vanity only applies to him. I guess you forget that music aficionados that have been around for over 35+ years, like me, know about BOTH Prince AND MJ. You are not regurgitating this crap around some teenager who has not been around to debunk your rhetoric.

FINALLY, as usual, you want to put all the blame on Michael because Prince didn’t participate in the We Are The World project. That was Prince’s decision and his decision alone. WTF did Michael have to do with that decision? Of course, you and others HAVE to drag MJ into your distorted discussion, as an EXCUSE for your agenda to diminish or tear down MJ at every opportunity. Grow the fu*k up, MJ had shit to do with why Prince didn’t participate in We Are The World. Prince wanted to his own thing,because Prince’s vanity would never allow him to work with others on something that he didn’t control. That’s the way Prince was; a d you, other fans and even non-fans know what I am saying is the truth. However, don’t try and act as if MJ was the reason for Prince’s vanity decision.FTR, I have no problem with Prince submitting his own song to the album. I just have a problem with him acting as if the project wasn’t worthy of his involvement. That was arrogant and vain.

I’m truly sick of people stirring the MJ vs Prince pot. It has no validity and makes you and others like you look immature and insecure.

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Prince just didn't want to work with other people, there was nothing arrogant about that. He. Just. Didn't. Want. To. Participate. But MJ, Quincy and their little fans are offended by it. MJ didn't have anything to do with prince declining. But claiming that prince was just too arrogant to participate is also kinda shitty.
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Reply #74 posted 07/27/20 6:29pm

ThatWhiteDude

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ThatWhiteDude said:

Free2BMe said:




You got all kind of shit wrong in your rant against MJ. Typical. Maybe I missed something but why are you blaming Michael for the “We Are The World” project? Wasn’t that the idea of Stevie Wonder and Quincy Jones? Quincy asked Michael and Lionel to write a song. According to Lionel, Michael was the one who composed the majority of the song, and Lionel stated that he only had minimal imput. WTF does that have to do with Michael “copying” Geldof. You people always come up with BS to take a swipe at MJ. Btw, what gives you the audacity to think that Prince respected Michael anymore than Michael respected him? Speculation? Rumor? It was Michael that always tried to be friendly to Prince, not the other way around. So where do you come up with the rationale that Prince was the o e doing the respecting? Bullshit.

Another topic that you rant about is “vanity”. How the hell are you going to talk as if MJ was vain and Prince was not? Everybody and their “mama”, including everybody that worked with Prince KNEW that he was vain. For YEARS, I have heard people, even fellow artists, speak of how arrogant and vain Prince was. Jimmie and Terry, Morris, Jessie, Andre just to name a FEW. FTR, most people who worked with MJ,met him, or knew him said he was very humble. I’ve never heard ANYONE say that Michael was arrogant around them. Of course, you want to portray MJ in the worst light and act as if vanity only applies to him. I guess you forget that music aficionados that have been around for over 35+ years, like me, know about BOTH Prince AND MJ. You are not regurgitating this crap around some teenager who has not been around to debunk your rhetoric.

FINALLY, as usual, you want to put all the blame on Michael because Prince didn’t participate in the We Are The World project. That was Prince’s decision and his decision alone. WTF did Michael have to do with that decision? Of course, you and others HAVE to drag MJ into your distorted discussion, as an EXCUSE for your agenda to diminish or tear down MJ at every opportunity. Grow the fu*k up, MJ had shit to do with why Prince didn’t participate in We Are The World. Prince wanted to his own thing,because Prince’s vanity would never allow him to work with others on something that he didn’t control. That’s the way Prince was; a d you, other fans and even non-fans know what I am saying is the truth. However, don’t try and act as if MJ was the reason for Prince’s vanity decision.FTR, I have no problem with Prince submitting his own song to the album. I just have a problem with him acting as if the project wasn’t worthy of his involvement. That was arrogant and vain.

I’m truly sick of people stirring the MJ vs Prince pot. It has no validity and makes you and others like you look immature and insecure.

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Prince just didn't want to work with other people, there was nothing arrogant about that. He. Just. Didn't. Want. To. Participate. But MJ, Quincy and their little fans are offended by it. MJ didn't have anything to do with prince declining. But claiming that prince was just too arrogant to participate is also kinda shitty.



Also, I want to have your sources of people saying that prince was arrogant. If you're such a mj Stan and don't like prince, why are you here? Just to argue with prince fans on a prince fan forum?
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Reply #75 posted 07/27/20 7:37pm

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F Quincy Jones. Without MJ he would just be an average producer, he knew MJ was afraid of Prince.

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Reply #76 posted 07/27/20 7:45pm

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ThatWhiteDude said:

Free2BMe said:
You got all kind of shit wrong in your rant against MJ. Typical. Maybe I missed something but why are you blaming Michael for the “We Are The World” project? Wasn’t that the idea of Stevie Wonder and Quincy Jones? Quincy asked Michael and Lionel to write a song. According to Lionel, Michael was the one who composed the majority of the song, and Lionel stated that he only had minimal imput. WTF does that have to do with Michael “copying” Geldof. You people always come up with BS to take a swipe at MJ. Btw, what gives you the audacity to think that Prince respected Michael anymore than Michael respected him? Speculation? Rumor? It was Michael that always tried to be friendly to Prince, not the other way around. So where do you come up with the rationale that Prince was the o e doing the respecting? Bullshit. Another topic that you rant about is “vanity”. How the hell are you going to talk as if MJ was vain and Prince was not? Everybody and their “mama”, including everybody that worked with Prince KNEW that he was vain. For YEARS, I have heard people, even fellow artists, speak of how arrogant and vain Prince was. Jimmie and Terry, Morris, Jessie, Andre just to name a FEW. FTR, most people who worked with MJ,met him, or knew him said he was very humble. I’ve never heard ANYONE say that Michael was arrogant around them. Of course, you want to portray MJ in the worst light and act as if vanity only applies to him. I guess you forget that music aficionados that have been around for over 35+ years, like me, know about BOTH Prince AND MJ. You are not regurgitating this crap around some teenager who has not been around to debunk your rhetoric. FINALLY, as usual, you want to put all the blame on Michael because Prince didn’t participate in the We Are The World project. That was Prince’s decision and his decision alone. WTF did Michael have to do with that decision? Of course, you and others HAVE to drag MJ into your distorted discussion, as an EXCUSE for your agenda to diminish or tear down MJ at every opportunity. Grow the fu*k up, MJ had shit to do with why Prince didn’t participate in We Are The World. Prince wanted to his own thing,because Prince’s vanity would never allow him to work with others on something that he didn’t control. That’s the way Prince was; a d you, other fans and even non-fans know what I am saying is the truth. However, don’t try and act as if MJ was the reason for Prince’s vanity decision.FTR, I have no problem with Prince submitting his own song to the album. I just have a problem with him acting as if the project wasn’t worthy of his involvement. That was arrogant and vain. I’m truly sick of people stirring the MJ vs Prince pot. It has no validity and makes you and others like you look immature and insecure. [Edited 7/26/20 11:21am] neutral [Edited 7/26/20 12:00pm] [Edited 7/26/20 12:05pm]
Prince just didn't want to work with other people, there was nothing arrogant about that. He. Just. Didn't. Want. To. Participate. But MJ, Quincy and their little fans are offended by it. MJ didn't have anything to do with prince declining. But claiming that prince was just too arrogant to participate is also kinda shitty.

I think it's the constant bashing the song and people even blaming MJ, Q and others involved in the making of the song for the backlash against Prince is what aggrivates fans.

From what I can tell, the only people who bring up Prince not showing up, the (undeserved) crap he got afterwards and shitting on the song (as corny as it can be seen as) are Prince fans

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"We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world."
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Reply #77 posted 07/27/20 7:50pm

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It's not that hard to understand: Prince stuck to a vision that was very personal; unique by design.
He was striving for originality, personality, a singular vision, something he could call his own, taking from many influences and mixing them until you couldn't describe Prince's music as being anything but Prince's.

So of course he was allergic to this kind of anthem that aims at maximum popularity, one where every individuality is supposed to disappear into one and only credo ; which sounds like communism, by the way.
And super hypocritical coming from Americans reveling in Reagania, money flowing from everywhere to the star system. People who couldn't give a rat's ass fuck about what was happening in the rest of the world, while all the richness of the West was being amassed on paying miserable wages to the Third World to sew their sport shoes.

No one cared, until MJ had the bare minimum decency of copying Geldof, probably in good spirits, but also to satisfy his rampant ego problem. The best-selling record of all time finished to wreck an already fragile mindset, a mental issue which would culminate into the Stalinist cover of "History".

To think Prince respected Michael for years is beyond me. MJ’s atrocious vanity is responsible for all the selfies and the Kanye Wests of the world, this belief that we should adore someone as a demi-god, without questioning the person, or her way of life (Oh hello, Neverland).
Maybe MJ only happened to be a stimulating competition for Prince, and nothing more.

It doesn't matter if "We Are The World" was for a greater good.
Prince believed in singing about universal themes HIS WAY.
And his Seventh Church upbringing made him believe in Uptown, a Feast of Friends instead of a Giant Family.
Prince probably started charities on his own, without ostentation, way before MJ, Q and Richie thought of their marketing coup.

In addition, Prince was smart. He was playful, believed in the adolescent fire, but a child he wasn't.
"Africa divided hijack in the air" is a much more telling lyric about where the source of the African hunger problem lied.

This thinking that it only takes a boy scouts refrain to "heal the world" and buying a 45rpm is not only naive, but deresponsibilized every Western citizen from foreign politics for at least a decade, keeping them into their comfort bubble.

Thank God for "Sun City", the only super-band song that had the guts to tell it like it is.
Didn't wait for Agent Orange to yell that Black Lives Matter.
Pity it didn't trickle into the streets of America.

That one Prince could have contributed to with a kick-ass axe solo,
intertwining with Miles’ screaks.


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but isn't this thread about QUINCY JONES? The one who minimalized Prince's skills in the video?

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Reply #78 posted 07/27/20 11:50pm

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ThatWhiteDude said:

ThatWhiteDude said:


Prince just didn't want to work with other people, there was nothing arrogant about that. He. Just. Didn't. Want. To. Participate. But MJ, Quincy and their little fans are offended by it. MJ didn't have anything to do with prince declining. But claiming that prince was just too arrogant to participate is also kinda shitty.



Also, I want to have your sources of people saying that prince was arrogant. If you're such a mj Stan and don't like prince, why are you here? Just to argue with prince fans on a prince fan forum?


Prince Stan you have never heard me say that I don’t LIKE Prince. I have always said that I respect him as a musician. Stop lying and putting words in my mouth.
Btw, MJ fans are not offended by Prince not participating in We Are The World. We never EVER bring it up. It’s always Prince stans who constantly do that, just as it was a P Stan who brought it up in this thread. Let me remind you that this thread is/was about Quincy hating on Prince. Yet, predictably a Prince Stan brought MJ into the conversation with the sole purpose to make this about Michael and make negative remarks about him. Why would the Prince Stan do that and then get angry when we call you out?

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Reply #79 posted 07/28/20 1:13am

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I haven't seen anyone mention it yet.

On this clip from another source it says it was released for the press by Paisley Park prior to the Diamonds and Pearls tour as part of a project from Albert Magnoli.

So it seems it was meant to be ironic.

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Reply #80 posted 07/28/20 4:21am

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Quincy Jones got no class much less should we listen to him when judging others.

I remember when MJ passed away, first thing Quincy did he did was nag about getting fired after BAD: https://www.youtube.com/w...YmieiX2k0g

Ya man just died and he can't take 5 seconds to cut MJ some slack.

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Reply #81 posted 07/28/20 12:20pm

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LouieLestate said:

Quincy Jones got no class much less should we listen to him when judging others.

I remember when MJ passed away, first thing Quincy did he did was nag about getting fired after BAD: https://www.youtube.com/w...YmieiX2k0g

Ya man just died and he can't take 5 seconds to cut MJ some slack.

He's been mouthing off about different people for decades...

"Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything." --Plato

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Reply #82 posted 07/28/20 12:26pm

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He wasn't being hateful. If that was his honest opinion, so be it, but most would disagree.

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Reply #83 posted 07/28/20 1:20pm

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FunkiestOne said:

He wasn't being hateful. If that was his honest opinion, so be it, but most would disagree.

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word...like anyone that comments in this thread is a better authority on expert musicianship than the great Quincy Jones...people always demand honesty, but most cant handle the truth
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People also need to realize that Quincy(whom I attended his ULTRA private screening with a whose who of elite entertainers in attendance) had SEVERAL brain surgeries over the years,almost died several times,and really has nine lives. That could explain his erratic behaviour & comments he's been making over the years...

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"That mountain top situation is not really what it's all cracked up 2 B when eye was doing the Purple Rain tour eye had a lot of people who eye knew eye'll never c again @ the concerts.just screamin n places they thought they was suppose 2 scream."prince
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Reply #85 posted 07/28/20 2:36pm

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People also need to realize that Quincy(whom I attended his ULTRA private screening with a whose who of elite entertsiners in attendance) had SEVERAL brain surgeries over the years,almost died several times,and really has nine lives. That could explain his erratic behaviour & comments he's been making over the years, including outing Richard Pryor(whom most except for me didn't know about & was COMPLETELY shocked).Not to mention throwing Mj under the bus.

How can u out Pryor when he said it himself....on tape?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dp4xJQh3dxk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rA5Xo2CKKYg

FOOLS multiply when WISE Men & Women are silent.
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Reply #86 posted 07/28/20 8:01pm

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Graycap23 said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

People also need to realize that Quincy(whom I attended his ULTRA private screening with a whose who of elite entertsiners in attendance) had SEVERAL brain surgeries over the years,almost died several times,and really has nine lives. That could explain his erratic behaviour & comments he's been making over the years, including outing Richard Pryor(whom most except for me didn't know about & was COMPLETELY shocked).Not to mention throwing Mj under the bus.

How can u

out Pryor when he said it himself....on tape?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dp4xJQh3dxk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rA5Xo2CKKYg

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"That mountain top situation is not really what it's all cracked up 2 B when eye was doing the Purple Rain tour eye had a lot of people who eye knew eye'll never c again @ the concerts.just screamin n places they thought they was suppose 2 scream."prince
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Reply #87 posted 07/28/20 8:20pm

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ChocolateBox3121 said:

Graycap23 said:

How can u

out Pryor when he said it himself....on tape?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dp4xJQh3dxk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rA5Xo2CKKYg

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A LOT of people didn't take Pryor seriously back then because he was a comedian.Comedians can get away with saying a lot of things especially back then and people thought they were joking.

I guess. Pryors material was always about his life.

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Reply #88 posted 07/29/20 6:38am

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I read Pryor's book "Pryor Convictions" and he mentioned (in his younger years) that he fell in love with a male prostitute who dressed and looked like a woman. He mentioned his alleged bi-sexuality every now and then in his comedy. So when Quincy said it, I wasn't surprised.

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Reply #89 posted 07/29/20 7:17am

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Graycap23 said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

A LOT of people didn't take Pryor seriously back then because he was a comedian.Comedians can get away with saying a lot of things especially back then and people thought they were joking.

I guess. Pryors material was always about his life.

prince

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"That mountain top situation is not really what it's all cracked up 2 B when eye was doing the Purple Rain tour eye had a lot of people who eye knew eye'll never c again @ the concerts.just screamin n places they thought they was suppose 2 scream."prince
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