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Thread started 07/17/20 12:28pm

Graycap23

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Quincy Jones a Prince hater?

Have u guys seen this video of Jones saying basically that Prince is an average musician?

lol.......unreal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3tzjkxBljk

[Edited 7/17/20 14:45pm]

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Reply #1 posted 07/17/20 12:29pm

LoveGalore

Quincy is as problematic as it gets. Not surprising here as he is well known for being a shit talker in his advanced age.
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Reply #2 posted 07/17/20 12:44pm

JoeyCococo

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Quincy is as problematic as it gets. Not surprising here as he is well known for being a shit talker in his advanced age.

I didn't like his comments when I first heard it but it may have been taken out of context....I think he is saying that he's seen better piano players...he mentions Herbie Hancock but he played with so many greats from the old days. He's been around theh best. I think Prince himself called himself a 'guitarist' but never a pianist. As I delve deeper into the 70s Jazz fusion and 60 jazz, I realize more and more that the players in those days were of much higher calibre on specific instruments. Prince was fantastic but you can't compare Prince playing bass to Victor Wooten in terms of skill. You can't compare Prince to Chick Corea on piano....they are just in a diff league.

HOWEVER, what is unique to Prince - and I would have loved to have heard Quincy's opinion on this - is that he could really do it ALL. He could play all the instruments at a very highl level of proficiency but his sound was HIS only. You usually knew when Prince was playing pretty much anything he played.

NOw let's forget the mechanics for a sec, he could write the songs too...all on his own. So, from his imagination straight to tape. Can Quincy say he could do that?? Could Miles Davis do that?? My point is, each had to rely on others to realize what they dreamt up.

Then there is arranging...Prince was a master arranger. Just look at his reworkings of his own songs live...sometimes they were drastically different and sounded AMAZING.

Then there is performing live. I don't think anyone can deny his unparalleled performances. When he was on, there was NO one who could do it like him. Again, would love to have heard Quincy comment on Prince's RRHOF solo and how he just smoked all those 'guitar players' and walked off the stage. Prince quietly did everything many old school black musicans wanted to do. He didn't talk - he did it and did it on his terms.

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Reply #3 posted 07/17/20 2:37pm

SPYZFAN1

Quincy is still mad that P never showed up at the "We Are The World" sessions..or the time he put his lollipop in his face at that awards show years ago. biggrin

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Reply #4 posted 07/17/20 2:53pm

Superstition

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Quincy needs to only talk about his own work. His controversial statements over the years about numerous others have not made him look like the professional he is. Or was
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Reply #5 posted 07/17/20 3:07pm

PurpleHigh

One of Prince's best talents was sticking it to Quincy Jones.

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Reply #6 posted 07/17/20 3:30pm

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Superstition said:

Quincy needs to only talk about his own work. His controversial statements over the years about numerous others have not made him look like the professional he is. Or was

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Reply #7 posted 07/17/20 3:32pm

SoulAlive

I have tremendous respect and admiration for Quincy and all of his accomplishments,but in recent years,he’s been saying a lot of ridiculous nonsense.I don’t know if it’s old age or whatever,but he is speaking alot of BS these days.
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Reply #8 posted 07/17/20 3:40pm

Graycap23

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SoulAlive said:

I have tremendous respect and admiration for Quincy and all of his accomplishments,but in recent years,he’s been saying a lot of ridiculous nonsense.I don’t know if it’s old age or whatever,but he is speaking alot of BS these days.

But this video looks decades old.

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Reply #9 posted 07/17/20 3:42pm

TheKid94

To me it sounded like it was coming from a place of ego.

I'm sure being who he was made him feel like he had the final verdict on other musicians.

However, his remarks don't mean shit. You don't have to be a master musician to hear the beauty and artistry in Prince's piano playing.

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Reply #10 posted 07/17/20 3:46pm

antonb

he was jacksons bitch, so what do you expect

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Reply #11 posted 07/17/20 5:18pm

SoulAlive

Graycap23 said:



SoulAlive said:


I have tremendous respect and admiration for Quincy and all of his accomplishments,but in recent years,he’s been saying a lot of ridiculous nonsense.I don’t know if it’s old age or whatever,but he is speaking alot of BS these days.

But this video looks decades old.



Quincy is strange biggrin there have been times when he has praised Prince,and times when he talks shit about him.
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Reply #12 posted 07/17/20 5:24pm

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He obviously doesn't have anything better to do... lol

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Reply #13 posted 07/18/20 9:50am

laytonian

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One of Prince's best talents was sticking it to Quincy Jones.


^^^^^ THIS
And thank Godt he did. Can you imagine Prince among that crowd, purposely positioned among the taller singers? He knew what would happen.

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Reply #14 posted 07/18/20 9:52am

RJOrion

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He obviously doesn't have anything better to do... lol




nor should he...he's done it all... nothing wrong with a little trash-talk between peers/competitors... musicians, like athletes, are SUPER competitive...a lil ego here, a lil trash talk there...its all part of the game..
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Reply #15 posted 07/18/20 10:52am

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SPYZFAN1 said:

Quincy is still mad that P never showed up at the "We Are The World" sessions..or the time he put his lollipop in his face at that awards show years ago. biggrin


Or that he didn't do the duet with Jackson on Bad.
O tempora! O mores!
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Reply #16 posted 07/18/20 11:06am

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SPYZFAN1 said:

Quincy is still mad that P never showed up at the "We Are The World" sessions..or the time he put his lollipop in his face at that awards show years ago. biggrin

Prince made an ASS of himself. It was embarrassing. One of the low points of his career. I was ashamed of being a Prince fan after that display of selfish egotism.

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Reply #17 posted 07/18/20 12:13pm

IAdoreWeronika

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homesquid said:

SPYZFAN1 said:

Quincy is still mad that P never showed up at the "We Are The World" sessions..or the time he put his lollipop in his face at that awards show years ago. biggrin

Prince made an ASS of himself. It was embarrassing. One of the low points of his career. I was ashamed of being a Prince fan after that display of selfish egotism.

Funny i looked at it as a bad ass move not perform on a cringworthy recording. If yah talking about the lollipop in the face i agree.

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Reply #18 posted 07/18/20 12:14pm

IAdoreWeronika

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Why do people care what Quincy thinks?

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Reply #19 posted 07/18/20 12:29pm

looby

homesquid said:

SPYZFAN1 said:

Quincy is still mad that P never showed up at the "We Are The World" sessions..or the time he put his lollipop in his face at that awards show years ago. biggrin

Prince made an ASS of himself. It was embarrassing. One of the low points of his career. I was ashamed of being a Prince fan after that display of selfish egotism.

But the thing is, Quincy tried to lick the lollipop and Prince pulled it away. lol....To me, that was embarrassing on Quincy's behalf, not Prince's.

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Reply #20 posted 07/18/20 12:31pm

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looby said:

homesquid said:

Prince made an ASS of himself. It was embarrassing. One of the low points of his career. I was ashamed of being a Prince fan after that display of selfish egotism.

But the thing is, Quincy tried to lick the lollipop and Prince pulled it away. lol....To me, that was embarrassing on Quincy's behalf, not Prince's.

lol forgot that

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Reply #21 posted 07/18/20 4:37pm

ThatWhiteDude

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homesquid said:

SPYZFAN1 said:

Quincy is still mad that P never showed up at the "We Are The World" sessions..or the time he put his lollipop in his face at that awards show years ago. biggrin

Prince made an ASS of himself. It was embarrassing. One of the low points of his career. I was ashamed of being a Prince fan after that display of selfish egotism.

How? Like, for real, how did he make an ass of himself? He just didn't want to join the session, so what? He didn't do out of malice. He just didn't swing that way. He offered a guitar part and his own song. So I guess he kinda participated.

We are the world was done with good intentions, but it's cringey as hell in retrospect. Didn't even surprise me when Latoya said that MJ wrote the whole damn thing, it's as cringey as Heal the world which he wrote too.

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Reply #22 posted 07/18/20 4:48pm

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Reply #23 posted 07/18/20 4:59pm

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purplethunder3121 said:

What the hell was going on in Quincy's head at that moment? He made an ass of himself diving for that lolli pop lol

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Reply #24 posted 07/18/20 5:00pm

RJOrion

Prince made an ass of Q, not himself...in front of EVERYBODY...one of the great Boss Moves in P's career...he left a grown ass legend hanging on stage with his tongue out, lookin like a whole sucker... GAME BLOUSES
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Reply #25 posted 07/18/20 5:08pm

Doalwa

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I always wondered how they even got P up on that stage in the first place?!?
But P really didn’t give a damn, hilarious biggrin
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Reply #26 posted 07/18/20 5:13pm

RJOrion

LOL...Pand his ridiculous NPG Uniform...gotta love it
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Reply #27 posted 07/18/20 5:20pm

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I dunno, that dive makes Quincy look a bit nicer in my eyes.
At least capable of self-irony.

I like to see it as a "sorry for the shit I said", in some way.
He played ball, it looked like he meant "I'm a sucker for Prince".
He could have kept his head up.

Game Blouses fo sho.
He went for it. Still trying to make him sing that boyscouts refrain,
after all these years. But long ago, there was a man, Amen.

The Colors R brighter, the Bond is much tighter
No Child's a failure
Until the Blue Sailboat sails him away from his dreams
Don't Ever Lose, Don't Ever Lose
Don't Ever Lose Your Dreams
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Reply #28 posted 07/18/20 11:43pm

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I think Quincy's comments were fair tbh. I know the "purple army" often likes to imagine that Prince was the best at everything. That's silly though, he never needed to be that, it was never the point. We do him a disservice by exaggerating his talent, because it is already awesome enough that he covered many instruments competently enough to compose, arrange, perform, and produce great songs.

He got a lot better as an instrumentalist over the course of his 40 year career of course, but like any musician he had limitations. He understood these limitations which is why he surrounded himself with better players throughout his career and harnessed their talent and contributions.

We have to remember - Quincy worked with the best session players in the business. Of course if you are used to working with world-class pianists, bassists, drummers and guitarists, you'll have have a much more balanced view of Prince's capacity across those instruments. The point is though, he was good enough on all those instruments to service his music. That's incredible enough already, he never needed to be a virtuoso on any instrument.

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Reply #29 posted 07/19/20 12:02am

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Prince was a songwriter really.
Note how he actually recorded very few, or relatively few solos on his released material.
So obv he was highly competent, but he was no virtuoso. He was best on guitar, but not as proficient on other instruments.so while he was def better than average, prince knew he wasnt going to give Herbie Hancock any trouble on piano, or elvin Jones trouble on drums, and so forth. No shame in that. Those guys mastered just one instrument. Prince played more, and he wrote pop songs in a way they couldnt.
But if you have ever listened to actual jazz then listened to madhouse or NEWS youd know prince was no virtuoso.i guess you could say he was def up there as a pop/rock/soul/funk musician. But jazz musicians are always going to be more skilled. And that's Quincys training.
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