MIInsane said:

AvocadosMax said:

Honestly if anything, Prince’s genius is generally understated by most fans. Prince was quite literally the best musician EVER. 1979-1987, you couldn’t fuck with Prince; especially ‘85-‘86! Move out the way, Mozart, Prince is the best musician in human history!

That is a bit of a stretch.

Do I think Prince was a genius? Yeah. Do I think he was the best musician in music history? GTFO with that.

The artist that comes to mind is Frank Zappa. Although his music wasn't generally "accessible" to the mainstream, Frank was a genius. Plus, he was a helluva guitar player.

Another artist that comes to mind is Brian Wilson. The dude was 24 when "Pet Sounds" (arguably one of the greatest albums ever made) was released. The legendary musicians that worked on that album said they had never seen anyone work the way that Brian did.

Saying that Prince was the "best musician in human history" is ridiculous.

lol....no comment required.

Wolfie87 said:

RJOrion said:

who cares what the racist ass Grammy Awards do?...people still honor them shits?

Racist ass Grammy Awards? Michael, black as he was, got his 8, in 1983. Prince, black as he was, got his puny 3, two years later. And there you have it. In The public eye, a genius would never walk away from his peak years 1980-1989 with only 4 (let's state that number again, yes FOUR!!!!!!!) Grammy's. He got slaughtered in that so called battle with his peers. Absolutely slaughtered. [Edited 7/18/20 13:47pm]

What this even mean? Alicia out of Keys has more grammies than Prince.

That should tell u what a grammy is worth.

Graycap23 said:

Wolfie87 said:

RJOrion said: Racist ass Grammy Awards? Michael, black as he was, got his 8, in 1983. Prince, black as he was, got his puny 3, two years later. And there you have it. In The public eye, a genius would never walk away from his peak years 1980-1989 with only 4 (let's state that number again, yes FOUR!!!!!!!) Grammy's. He got slaughtered in that so called battle with his peers. Absolutely slaughtered. [Edited 7/18/20 13:47pm]

What this even mean? Alicia out of Keys has more grammies than Prince.

That should tell u what a grammy is worth.

I love me some Alicia Keys but damn, that made me laugh so hard!

lust said:

Great question. After much consideration, the answer is no.

The OP joined june 30th, and the only threads I see from them are quesitoning his genius and the quality of his vault. My guess is it's a salty MJ fan, since his estate hasn't given them sh*t for how many years now? It's just a wild guess.

ThatWhiteDude said:

Graycap23 said:

Prince made some real nonsense in his long career, but I have to say, the 1979 versionf of ICTTPOYM really does speak to his genius.

First off...he knew to (or took the advice to) hold it back, and that's a genius kind of self awareness he lacked in other eras of his career... some of SOTT sounded dated to me at the time, but it's not like you would listen to that song and think it's just another version of I wanna be your Lover, or something on Dirty Mind. It would have been another classic off Dirty Minded (with or without the falsetto). Drum rolls aside, it's a more interesting version in my opinion.

I think it's interesting to realize that his best songs could have been written any era and the difference would have been the arrangements. It makes me rethink the 90's and on songs that people here gush about the genius of.

But yeah, it's a fan site.

(And holy crap why did this topic become about racism in the industry? The hell?)

Doalwa said:

MattyJam said:

I think the trouble is, some of the people on the org listen almost exclusively to Prince, so to them a 40yr old demo of a 30yr old old Prince track is infinitely more exciting than listening to Neil Young or David Bowie.

I feel a bit sorry for these people, but they'll grow up eventually.

Ah, oh well you knows us.

RJOrion said:

the question wasnt whether P is a genius or not...its obvious that he is...the question was "is his genius overstated by his fans"....and it sometimes is.

Isn't that the precise point of being a fan?
l'll leave "genius" to the journalists.
I myself like to push it up.

Besides, those very same fans are the first ones
to kick his ass when he deserves it. Sometimes.

But it takes a fan to know one.

[Edited 7/18/20 17:52pm]

Nice not even here a month. Are you a hater? Because why would such a new member come out with this and the other post about the vault. And you know exactly what I mean. Don't come here to trash him (the genius), it won't go over well.

[Edited 7/18/20 22:53pm]

Mumio said:

Nice not even here a month. Are you a hater? Because why would such a new member come out with this and the other post about the vault. And you know exactly what I mean. Don't come here to trash him (the genius), it won't go over well.

[Edited 7/18/20 22:53pm]

Agreed.

Obviously a troll or some old head mad about something.

seriously?.....

bonatoc said:

RJOrion said:

"...we let Michael and Prince and stevie and lionel each have their year...what more do you people want???..." we want macklemore to give his undeserved award to Drake and Kanye.. Adele and Beck to give their undeserved awards to Beyonce...etc, etc, etc. i promised i wouldnt do this...im done

U2 stole Princes album of the year grammy in 1988 for SOTT

I have been a fan of Prince since I was 11 or 12. I am also a fan or many other multi-instruentalist singer song writers. I don't think Prince's genius is over stated. I think he was one of the greatest of the greats.

Don't take my word for it. Prince was considered a genius even amongst musicians. Shit, Miles Davis called him a genius that should serve as the final word. If anything, his genius is understated. End of story. Thread over.

[Edited 7/19/20 14:38pm]

skywalker said:

Don't take my word for it. Prince was considered a genius even amongst musicians. Shit, Miles Davis called him a genius that should serve as the final word. If anything, his genius is understated. End of story. Thread over.

[Edited 7/19/20 14:38pm]

Miles Davis played trumpet so can we take him seriously? i mean really....

funkman88 said:

RJOrion said:

"...we let Michael and Prince and stevie and lionel each have their year...what more do you people want???..." we want macklemore to give his undeserved award to Drake and Kanye.. Adele and Beck to give their undeserved awards to Beyonce...etc, etc, etc. i promised i wouldnt do this...im done

U2 stole Princes album of the year grammy in 1988 for SOTT

True. But Joshua Tree has a wider appeal.
SOTT is one of Prince's most insular albums.
I'm pretty sure it was a close call.

bonatoc said:

funkman88 said:

U2 stole Princes album of the year grammy in 1988 for SOTT

True. But Joshua Tree has a wider appeal.
SOTT is one of Prince's most insular albums.
I'm pretty sure it was a close call.

I don't agree SOTT was insular at all. If was quite all encompasing and covered lots of genres.

RJOrion said:

RJOrion said:

MotownSubdivision said:

A bunch of people arguing over what is or isn't "genius" never turns out well lol

I see the Prince fandom as no different to any other fandom: there are those that love him, those who obsess over him, those who have grown out of love with him and those who hang on because they need a reason to complain.

It's common to any fanbase in any media or form of literature, art and entertainment.

Wolfie87 said:

ForceofNature said:

A bunch of people arguing over what is or isn't "genius" never turns out well lol

It's just like every time the RRHOF inductions are announced and people complain about who got in and why someone else is more deserving. This last year people were livid that Whitney Houston got in Even though it was 10 years after she was first eligible. Even though she's one of the best selling female artists of all times with 7 #1 singles in a row (overtaking the Beatles), numerous multi-platinum albums including the best selling soundtrack of all time. But no how terrible she's inducted it should be King Crimson instead.

MotownSubdivision said: