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A genius is a person possessing the qualities of great intellectual ability, creativity and originality as well as high achievement in a specific domain of knowledge or activity. They are described as having a strong intuition about their domains, and trust in that intuition. This leads to great works of art that largely differ from contemporary works. Genius may also refer directly to these qualities. Time keeps on slipping into the future...
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What he was doing at the age of 21 was really impressive, he didn't work with other songwriters or musicians, so yes, he did pretty much all by himself, and he was a genius you can't deny that.
Not talkingg about any specific song. But the overall catalog. | |
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funkman88 said: I agree....Prince was a great multi instrumentalist but Stevie Wonder/maurice White/David Bowie he aint! What the funk? I love Stevie, I love David...and if we call those two Genius, then Prince belongs in the same category, without a doubt! |
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the question wasnt whether P is a genius or not...its obvious that he is...the question was "is his genius overstated by his fans"....and it sometimes is. | |
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the alleged "genius" of David Bowie, is what's appalling...the only thing i ever saw/heard with any genius to it, was his very last LP (and videos)"Blackstar" [Edited 7/18/20 9:24am] | |
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Most artist have fans who are so enamored with the artist they declare he/she the greatest ever. Prince is one of the greatest ever but there's no best ever. How do you quantify that? Record sales. Prince loses. Chart successes. Prince loses. Most awards, etc...you get the picture. Prince is one of the greats. Personally, I am certain he was NOT a genius, however. He didn't create anything new. He didn't create anything novel. He didn't invent a new genre. He was just ridiculously good at all styles and he mixed them together in a special way. |
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The best discussion happens in sports, music, etc every day and all day. I don't care who the best is.........when it comes 2 music, I'm rolling w Prince. FOOLS multiply when WISE Men & Women are silent. | |
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fortuneandserendipity said:
Quite. I regularly extol the virtues of a brilliant Neil Young country song or the unashamed pop brilliance of Bowie's Never Let Me Down LP to anyone who will listen. Which is nobody. Time Will Crawl is pretty cool. | |
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"Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything." --Plato
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I agree....Bowie was a great but Stevie Wonder/maurice White/Prince he aint! | |
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Opinions, opinions thank god we don't all think the same. Leave that shit for twitter. | |
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This I agree with, completely. | |
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Condescending much? Listening to Prince is more exciting than listening to Neil Young and Bowie. I have tried but they do nothing for me. I don't listen exclusively to Prince either, i could never live in a world where i only listen to Prince and close my ears to a million other artists and bands. | |
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toejam said: Yes. He was a genius, in my opinion. But some fans take it waaaay too far like he was some beyond-human incarnation! But it's ok to say that MJ was? Dude made BAD in 1987 (during his peak years mind you) and some had the nerve to still say that he was a genius and a beyond-human incarnation beyond that. Ha! Prince made Pink Cashmere around the same time +- one year. Case fucking closed. | |
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Wolfie87 said: toejam said: Yes. He was a genius, in my opinion. But some fans take it waaaay too far like he was some beyond-human incarnation! But it's ok to say that MJ was? Dude made BAD in 1987 (during his peak years mind you) and some had the nerve to still say that he was a genius and a beyond-human incarnation beyond that. Ha! Prince made Pink Cashmere around the same time +- one year. Case fucking closed. i have not seen ONE "MJ is a genius" quote in this thread...and i cant say ive ever seen one on this site... [Edited 7/18/20 13:20pm] | |
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And furthermore, just read this depressing list of his Grammy history and you understand why some of us fans need to enlightening the broader masses and in some cases overdo the term Genius to push forward a important message to people who just heard Purple Rain over and over and over again. Without knowing Just My Imagination, The Undertaker, Joy In Repetition (ONA version) etc etc. https://ultimateprince.co...5-grammys/ | |
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RJOrion said: Wolfie87 said: But it's ok to say that MJ was? Dude made BAD in 1987 (during his peak years mind you) and some had the nerve to still say that he was a genius and a beyond-human incarnation beyond that. Ha! Prince made Pink Cashmere around the same time +- one year. Case fucking closed. i have not seen ONE "MJ is a genius" quote in this thread...and i cant say ive ever seen one on this site... [Edited 7/18/20 13:20pm] Ohhh, come on! You know that shit is thrown around everywhere when some comments on Prince has the tag of genius around it. | |
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Wolfie87 said: And furthermore, just read this depressing list of his Grammy history and you understand why some of us fans need to enlightening the broader masses and in some cases overdo the term Genius to push forward a important message to people who just heard Purple Rain over and over and over again. Without knowing Just My Imagination, The Undertaker, Joy In Repetition (ONA version) etc etc. https://ultimateprince.co...5-grammys/ who cares what the racist ass Grammy Awards do?...people still honor them shits? | |
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so the minneapolis sound wasnt new?basically replacing hors from the 60s and 70s with synthesizers that defined music in the 80s amd 90s? till this dayBruno Mars? | |
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RJOrion said: the question wasnt whether P is a genius or not...its obvious that he is...the question was "is his genius overstated by his fans"....and it sometimes is. That's the point of being a fan. Who is this amazing fan base where every single member call their favorite just good enough? It doesn't exist. smh. The man has validation from his peers. Man, people love discourse. Time keeps on slipping into the future...
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Wolfie87 said: RJOrion said: i have not seen ONE "MJ is a genius" quote in this thread...and i cant say ive ever seen one on this site... [Edited 7/18/20 13:20pm] Ohhh, come on! You know that shit is thrown around everywhere when some comments on Prince has the tag of genius around it. i honestly cant ever recall hearing/seeing MJ referred to as "genius"...i see/hear where people call him the greatest entertainer or singer or dancer of all time...but never a "musical genius"...MJ was too reliant on outside help in every way...Prince could be a self contained unit at any time. | |
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RJOrion said: Wolfie87 said: Ohhh, come on! You know that shit is thrown around everywhere when some comments on Prince has the tag of genius around it. i honestly cant ever recall hearing/seeing MJ referred to as "genius"...i see/hear where people call him the greatest entertainer or singer or dancer of all time...but never a "musical genius"...MJ was too reliant on outside help in every way...Prince could be a self contained unit at any time. According to Tavis Smiley Prince said Michael was a genius.  NPG Radio:
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RJOrion said: Wolfie87 said: And furthermore, just read this depressing list of his Grammy history and you understand why some of us fans need to enlightening the broader masses and in some cases overdo the term Genius to push forward a important message to people who just heard Purple Rain over and over and over again. Without knowing Just My Imagination, The Undertaker, Joy In Repetition (ONA version) etc etc.
https://ultimateprince.co...5-grammys/ who cares what the racist ass Grammy Awards do?...people still honor them shits? Racist ass Grammy Awards? Michael, black as he was, got his 8, in 1983. Prince, black as he was, got his puny 3, two years later. And there you have it. In The public eye, a genius would never walk away from his peak years 1980-1989 with only 4 (let's state that number again, yes FOUR!!!!!) Grammy's. He got slaughtered in that so called battle with his peers. Absolutely slaughtered. [Edited 7/18/20 13:47pm] | |
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Honestly if anything, Prince’s genius is generally understated by most fans. Prince was quite literally the best musician EVER. 1979-1987, you couldn’t fuck with Prince; especially ‘85-‘86! Move out the way, Mozart, Prince is the best musician in human history! |
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Michael Jackson was a genius as well. He just saw music differently; he had a different language for music. Kanye West is a genius too! He’s an artist and music is one of his many ways of expressing his art. Again, just because they can’t play 30 instruments, and have a different style, doesn’t disqualify them from being a genius. |
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That is a bit of a stretch.
Do I think Prince was a genius? Yeah. Do I think he was the best musician in music history? GTFO with that.
The artist that comes to mind is Frank Zappa. Although his music wasn't generally "accessible" to the mainstream, Frank was a genius. Plus, he was a helluva guitar player.
Another artist that comes to mind is Brian Wilson. The dude was 24 when "Pet Sounds" (arguably one of the greatest albums ever made) was released. The legendary musicians that worked on that album said they had never seen anyone work the way that Brian did.
Saying that Prince was the "best musician in human history" is ridiculous. | |
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When you have stars, in their own right, gushing over him? No, I don't think his genius is overstated. | |
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Wolfie87 said: RJOrion said: who cares what the racist ass Grammy Awards do?...people still honor them shits? Racist ass Grammy Awards? Michael, black as he was, got his 8, in 1983. Prince, black as he was, got his puny 3, two years later. And there you have it. In The public eye, a genius would never walk away from his peak years 1980-1989 with only 4 (let's state that number again, yes FOUR!!!!!) Grammy's. He got slaughtered in that so called battle with his peers. Absolutely slaughtered. [Edited 7/18/20 13:47pm] only 10 black artists have won lp of the year in the grammy's history...and i could give glaring examples of racist nominations and awards given, but that would surely derail the thread...these transgressions are well documented, if you care to do the knowlegde. | |
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"...we let Michael and Prince and stevie and lionel each have their year...what more do you people want???..." we want macklemore to give his undeserved award to Drake and Kanye.. Adele and Beck to give their undeserved awards to Beyonce...etc, etc, etc. i promised i wouldnt do this...im done | |
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