RJOrion said:

American Bandstand 1979... even though I Wanna Be Your Lover was all over the radio, when i first saw him on American Bandstand i thought, "what a weirdo...this clown wont last long..."

Yeah it was odd. But it was his first time doing a TV apprence and he was 'forced' (choose) to be less than honest with some of the answers. To me it was great.

OnlyNDaUsa said:

RJOrion said:

American Bandstand 1979... even though I Wanna Be Your Lover was all over the radio, when i first saw him on American Bandstand i thought, "what a weirdo...this clown wont last long..."

Yeah it was odd. But it was his first time doing a TV apprence and he was 'forced' (choose) to be less than honest with some of the answers. To me it was great.

Avatar/Post combo of the year right here. Forgot about that Tora Tora interview because holy shit.

my bad

RJOrion said:

i hear u databank...just like u can find videos to debunk them, you can find videos and documents to corroborate them...its hard to truly believe either side...thats how the world works now... but im done with it... enjoy your weekend! [Edited 7/11/20 13:21pm]

I just realized I just wrote "let's not derail the TRAIL" instead of "let's not derail the THREAD" which is what I meant

herb4 said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

Avatar/Post combo of the year right here. Forgot about that Tora Tora interview because holy shit.

i said American Bandstand like 3 replies up

my bad

Was that when he did that interview? *I assume you mean the one where Mayte answers for him?*

I think my screen was from Top Of the Pops when he did some off Exodus?

there was also a very odd interview... maybe in germany?

OnlyNDaUsa said:

herb4 said:

Was that when he did that interview? *I assume you mean the one where Mayte answers for him?*

I think my screen was from Top Of the Pops when he did some off Exodus?

there was also a very odd interview... maybe in germany?

It was that one, yes. I got a kick out of it but I always dug Prince being off and a little weird. It was a lot of fun most of the time.

TV appearances I could have lived without and/or can see several sides:

- American Idol: I felt it was beneath him and that the show doesn't really encompass what a guy like Prince actually does and represents. Maybe just because I hate the show.

- Oprah: Really awkward given the circumstances and especially reading what Mayte had to say about it.

- Sinbad: Started off OK but went off the rails as the dogma level rose and the JW talk took over.

- MTVVA: Assless pants and all the controersy that drummed up. Totally overpowered the musical performance which was amazing but all anyone talked about was his hiney.

- MTV TRL: Again, out of his element and IMO somewhat beneath him and the things he represented

- Letterman: Noping out really quick after performing (Dolphin, Dinner With Delores) with what seemed like a bit of an attitude about it.

- Rosie O' Donnel and Ellen Degneres: Both interviewers seemed to annnoy/piss him off at some point with the sex, name change and underwear jokes. He seemed genuinely bothered a few times.

- SNL: Not having his guitar plugged in after "Clouds" was funny and not usually a detail Prince would miss like that. Probably not his fault though.

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Guess that's about it. For the most part, I always enjoyed seeing him on TV and generally got a kick out of it and the music usually deivered. If I feel like it, I'll counter some of this with his BEST appearances, so long as the thread seems interested.

SPYZFAN1 said:

^^I agree about the "Rave" era TV appearances.^^......The Rosie O' Donnell interview was a little awkward too. Also considering the fact that his ex-girlfriend's husband was a guest on the show too. I also thought him accepting the award disguised as the "old man" (from the "Come On" video) was weird.... the "Tora Tora" interview with Veronica Webb...and the Soul Train appearance the early 90's.

No SIR! Showing up on Soul Train is a black culture thing. If you grew up in the 80's/90's and were black, you damn sure were WATCHING Soul Train.

I enjoyed him on Soul Train. The Oprah show appearance was weird but a lot of people watched Oprah. So, it's a no brainer! The Ellen appearance was weird, too, but her being gay and him writing a song like Bambi appealed to her.

Most of his show appearances made sense in order to catch the publics eye at the time!

This wasn't a questionable appearance, but there are things about the RRHOF Gently Weeps appearance that rankle:

1. I really don't think the lean off the stage was needed.

2. I appreciate why he did this, but I do still wish he'd stayed on the stage and celebrated the moment with the rest of the band. Not take the limelight, just share in the joy.

OnlyNDaUsa said:

herb4 said:

Was that when he did that interview? *I assume you mean the one where Mayte answers for him?*

I think my screen was from Top Of the Pops when he did some off Exodus?

there was also a very odd interview... maybe in germany?

They performed Get Wild on Top Of The Pops.

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The Veronics Webb interview where Mayte answers for him and he's got the Tora Tora mask was on the BBC's Sunday Show. It was of course weird but also quite funny. They also performed Billy Jack Bitch

dodger said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

They performed Get Wild on Top Of The Pops.

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The Veronics Webb interview where Mayte answers for him and he's got the Tora Tora mask was on the BBC's Sunday Show. It was of course weird but also quite funny. They also performed Billy Jack Bitch

And the Billy Jack Bitch performance was hilarious.

Grew up watching Soul Train (every Saturday at 12 noon) since the 1970's...like many, it was a big part of my life. I just wasn't enthused about his perfomance on that episode..but if you dug it, cool.. ...I always wondered why P never appeared on ST (back in late 79/early 80) promoting his second album..I've read rumors (here on the org as a matter of fact) that Don didn't like P....or maybe he wasn't asked(?)..or was busy getting ready tour with Rick(?)...I enjoyed The Time, Jessie and Vanity's appearances...especially Vanity. She had them dudes going crazy.

RJOrion said:

databank said:

Yeah well the thing is we know what they are and what they ain't. And I never watched that innerview again since 2009 but from what I can recall P was clearly saying (or at least suggesting) that they were what they ain't, i.e. nonsense about mind control or some BS of that kind.

but "we" dont know what those chemtrails are, because its highly classified information..."we" only know what the media tells us (or doesnt tell "us")...there have been ex military pilots who have gone on record to say those chemtrails are all sorts of heinous and genocidal type agents...unless you were in those planes and privy to the sortie mission, you dont know what theyre spraying...and since they wont tell "us", its easy to assume the worst...what Prince said may sound farfetched to some, but its clearly possible...humans are being intentionally poisoned, physically and mentally, everyday in so many ways...why not through the air?.

Prince was telling the truth. The chemtrails are still going on and who knows what they may contain...l

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

RJOrion said:

databank said: but "we" dont know what those chemtrails are, because its highly classified information..."we" only know what the media tells us (or doesnt tell "us")...there have been ex military pilots who have gone on record to say those chemtrails are all sorts of heinous and genocidal type agents...unless you were in those planes and privy to the sortie mission, you dont know what theyre spraying...and since they wont tell "us", its easy to assume the worst...what Prince said may sound farfetched to some, but its clearly possible...humans are being intentionally poisoned, physically and mentally, everyday in so many ways...why not through the air?.

Prince was telling the truth. The chemtrails are still going on and who knows what they may contain...l

I can assure you that we most likely do know. Again not to derail the thread, this belongs in the P&R board not the P music one, so I'll just say this because I feel it's my duty as a citizen to remind my fellow citizens of the fact that the information is there for everyone to find.

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Of course, as said by RJOrion, the real problem here is to learn how to evaluate the validity of a source of information and of a reasoning. Because, contrarily to what his post might lead someone to believe, no: all sources of information or reasonings are not equally valid, and while this may appear difficult to do in this day and age, it is in fact far from impossible to differentiate likely from unlikely (I won't go into absolutes such as true and false, likely and unlikely is already a good start). Of course one needs to acquire the proper intellectual toolbox (one can start with https://en.wikipedia.org/...l_thinking, https://en.wikipedia.org/...l_movement or

https://en.wikipedia.org/...%27s_razor).

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Then again, it also raises the question as to whether people wish to inform themselves properly or merely look for information that confirms the narrative they've chosen to adhere to. Clearly, believing in things like chemtrails is a very comforting system of belief, that provides simple answers to complicated problems. Challenging such beliefs can be scary.

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My point here is that if there is a real debate here, it is not "is the chemtrails conspiracy theory based on facts (or not)?" as much as "why are we inclined to believe that the chemtrails theory is based on facts (or not to believe it)?". Why we believe what we believe is the real debate, and possibly the only debate worth fighting for in the "post-truth" era. But then again let us not derail the thread. If someone wishes to discuss this any further they are welcome to create a thread in P&R (and orgnote me about it if they wish me to take part in it).

databank said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

Prince was telling the truth. The chemtrails are still going on and who knows what they may contain...l

I can assure you that we most likely do know. Again not to derail the thread, this belongs in the P&R board not the P music one, so I'll just say this because I feel it's my duty as a citizen to remind my fellow citizens of the fact that the information is there for everyone to find.

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Of course, as said by RJOrion, the real problem here is to learn how to evaluate the validity of a source of information and of a reasoning. Because, contrarily to what his post might lead someone to believe, no: all sources of information or reasonings are not equally valid, and while this may appear difficult to do in this day and age, it is in fact far from impossible to differentiate likely from unlikely (I won't go into absolutes such as true and false, likely and unlikely is already a good start). Of course one needs to acquire the proper intellectual toolbox (one can start with https://en.wikipedia.org/...l_thinking, https://en.wikipedia.org/...l_movement or

https://en.wikipedia.org/...%27s_razor).

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Then again, it also raises the question as to whether people wish to inform themselves properly or merely look for information that confirms the narrative they've chosen to adhere to. Clearly, believing in things like chemtrails is a very comforting system of belief, that provides simple answers to complicated problems. Challenging such beliefs can be scary.

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My point here is that if there is a real debate here, it is not "is the chemtrails conspiracy theory based on facts (or not)?" as much as "why are we inclined to believe that the chemtrails theory is based on facts (or not to believe it)?". Why we believe what we believe is the real debate, and possibly the only debate worth fighting for in the "post-truth" era. But then again let us not derail the thread. If someone wishes to discuss this any further they are welcome to create a thread in P&R (and orgnote me about it if they wish me to take part in it).

Class dimissed then I suppose? Will all this be on the test?

Also, full disclaimer, white guy chiming in here, born in 1967, to let it be known I watched Soul Train a lot myself so it wasn't just the brothers and sisters. I got made fun for it on occasion when I admitted to liking it but got turned on to a lot of stuff the "white" readion stations didn't play, and in a good way. There really wasn't a white equivalent to what that show offered unless you count American Bandstand (I don't) or the goofy disco shows like Solid Gold.

I also grew up during desegregation and got turned on to a lot of cool shit just from the black kids I was suddenly going to school with. Ohio Players, EWAF and Pairlement to name three. Commodores.

Soul Train was the shit and crossed over harder than I think most people know or will admit.

RJOrion said:

American Bandstand 1979... even though I Wanna Be Your Lover was all over the radio, when i first saw him on American Bandstand i thought, "what a weirdo...this clown wont last long..."

His performance at the Brits in 94(?) made me cringe to be a P fan.

Something garbled about "Prince? on stage free, on record slave..peace...be wild" and that was it.

Everyone thought he'd lost it. I was just embarrased.

I reckon there were more questionable TV appearances than great ones.

Most of Prince's TV performances where cringe worthy imo.

He was always putting on an act which never really came across well on TV, unlike his live/concert performances.
You really had to be a fan to appreciate them otherwise they were material.

Best live TV performance were The Future on SNL, Baby Im a Star on the Grammys, and PR on the AMA.