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7" singles box set question

Is the 45 for "The Cross" a replica of the original South African 45? Will it have the edited version of "Adore" on the b-side and why isn't that edit on the main box set "Single mixes and edits" disc? It is an official edit and was on "The hits/The B-sides".

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Reply #1 posted 06/26/20 5:34am

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djdaffy1227 said:

Is the 45 for "The Cross" a replica of the original South African 45? Will it have the edited version of "Adore" on the b-side and why isn't that edit on the main box set "Single mixes and edits" disc? It is an official edit and was on "The hits/The B-sides".

Obviously we don't know yet (maybe some insiders do, but the bulk of us don't). We'll have to wait until people get their copy.

However, my guess would be:

- With these occasional odd foreign 7'' edit (there have been a few others), it's likely the edits were made by the local WB branch, without Prince or WB USA being involved (or probably even aware). If so, this means the masters for such edits are lost somewhere in this foreign WB archives (in this case South Africa), and might be hard if not impossible to locate so long after the fact. This means the only option would be to either needledrop them (an option chosen by the Bowie estate on several edits on the recent box-sets) or recreate them faithfully from the US master (this shouldn't be too hard).

- The edit on the 7'' is labeled with a different length from the 1993 Hits edit, so unless it's a typo, this is all the more an indication of the fact that it probably is a different edit. The reason why a new edit was made in 1993 is probably, as said above, because WB USA wasn't even aware of this edit existing and/or wouldn't bother asking a foreign branch for the master.

- End of the line, this is also probably why the 7'' edit isn't on the main SOTT Deluxe release, I honestly wonder whether Michael Howe was aware of the South African promo (it's not listed on Princevault and I wasn't aware of its existence either until yesterday) and whether the current 7'' is a coincidence or a genuine attempt at recreating the old promo.

- If it's a coincidence you can expect the 1993 edit to be there, or maybe even a whole new edit. If it's an attempt to recreate the promo you can hope for either the original, a needledrop of the original or a recreation of the original.

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Reply #2 posted 06/26/20 5:46am

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Excellent reply. Thank you.

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Reply #3 posted 06/26/20 5:54am

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djdaffy1227 said:

Excellent reply. Thank you.

Anytime hug I'm curious about this, too nod

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Reply #4 posted 06/26/20 6:21am

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Just thinking, if the South African edit is different, I need to find somebody who has it so I can get a copy! biggrin I just assumed "The hits" version was the same edit. Sometimes with times, they just kinda round the time up. I've seen it on many records I've digitized in the past. The time ends up being very different from the time on the label. I know my "Hits" file is like 4:41 and the South Africa edit says 4:46 on the label, which is obviously only 5 seconds. Could just be 5 seconds of dead air on the record. Sometimes it is a pain being a completist. lol



EDITED to get the times right biggrin

[Edited 6/26/20 6:24am]

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Reply #5 posted 06/26/20 6:25am

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djdaffy1227 said:

Just thinking, if the South African edit is different, I need to find somebody who has it so I can get a copy! biggrin I just assumed "The hits" version was the same edit. Sometimes with times, they just kinda round the time up. I've seen it on many records I've digitized in the past. The time ends up being very different from the time on the label. I know my "Hits" file is like 4:43 and the South Africa edit says 4:50 on the label, which is obviously only 7 seconds. Could just be 6 seconds of dead air on the record. Sometimes it is a pain being a completist. lol

[Edited 6/26/20 6:22am]


Yeah same here, and I'll need to know if it's the same edit or different for sure for my website. Even if I don't get a copy I really hope someone here has the 7" and can tell us whether it's the same edit or not. But I'm pretty sure it's not.
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Reply #6 posted 06/26/20 6:51am

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My main question is small hole or big hole lol.
[Edited 6/26/20 6:51am]
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Reply #7 posted 06/26/20 7:04am

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KlyphIsBackAgain said:

My main question is small hole or big hole lol. [Edited 6/26/20 6:51am]


Another great question! lol lol lol

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Reply #8 posted 06/26/20 7:07am

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KlyphIsBackAgain said:

My main question is small hole or big hole lol.
[Edited 6/26/20 6:51am]


I have it on good authority that the hole is gaping.
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Reply #9 posted 06/26/20 7:51am

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SchlomoThaHomo said:

KlyphIsBackAgain said:
My main question is small hole or big hole lol. [Edited 6/26/20 6:51am]
I have it on good authority that the hole is gaping.

Is it bleached?

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Reply #10 posted 06/26/20 7:59am

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ThirdStrike said:

SchlomoThaHomo said:

KlyphIsBackAgain said: I have it on good authority that the hole is gaping.

Is it bleached?

well we know it is WAXed

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Reply #11 posted 06/27/20 2:41am

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LOL at you guys! AS we all know "Dirty Mind" is a joy forever... lol

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Reply #12 posted 06/27/20 2:32pm

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Quite sure that it will B sold on eBay. I don't think, I'll sell mine. biggrin
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Reply #13 posted 06/27/20 2:56pm

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Sold out already? Did not even see it on Amazon as a preorder or anything......(I am in Australia so things are hard to get).

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Reply #14 posted 06/27/20 3:55pm

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djdaffy1227 said:

Just thinking, if the South African edit is different, I need to find somebody who has it so I can get a copy! biggrin I just assumed "The hits" version was the same edit. Sometimes with times, they just kinda round the time up. I've seen it on many records I've digitized in the past. The time ends up being very different from the time on the label. I know my "Hits" file is like 4:41 and the South Africa edit says 4:46 on the label, which is obviously only 5 seconds. Could just be 5 seconds of dead air on the record. Sometimes it is a pain being a completist. lol



EDITED to get the times right biggrin

[Edited 6/26/20 6:24am]

lol yeahthat

Some complain about the inclusion of edits on the super deluxe sets, some of us complain about omissions that don't fit on the single disc. wink

[Edited 6/27/20 15:56pm]

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Reply #15 posted 06/28/20 4:38am

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I know it sounds crazy but I like having the edits but I want them all! biggrin I hope it didn't sound like a big complaint. I love the track list of Sign O' The Times SDE! I like the edit disc! I'm also happy they included "The cross" in the singles box set. Makes me believe they know it exsists!

I made a 9 disc set of single edits (as djThunderfunk knows). I put the "Hits" version of "Adore" on the set and labeled it (South African 45 edit). If that isn't correct, I'd like to fix the mistake.

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Reply #16 posted 06/28/20 6:40am

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djdaffy1227 said:

I know it sounds crazy but I like having the edits but I want them all! biggrin I hope it didn't sound like a big complaint. I love the track list of Sign O' The Times SDE! I like the edit disc! I'm also happy they included "The cross" in the singles box set. Makes me believe they know it exsists!

I made a 9 disc set of single edits (as djThunderfunk knows). I put the "Hits" version of "Adore" on the set and labeled it (South African 45 edit). If that isn't correct, I'd like to fix the mistake.


I'm with you 100%! I want everything. cool

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Reply #17 posted 06/28/20 7:12am

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djdaffy1227 said:

Just thinking, if the South African edit is different, I need to find somebody who has it so I can get a copy! biggrin I just assumed "The hits" version was the same edit. Sometimes with times, they just kinda round the time up. I've seen it on many records I've digitized in the past. The time ends up being very different from the time on the label. I know my "Hits" file is like 4:41 and the South Africa edit says 4:46 on the label, which is obviously only 5 seconds. Could just be 5 seconds of dead air on the record. Sometimes it is a pain being a completist. lol



EDITED to get the times right biggrin

[Edited 6/26/20 6:24am]

I wonder will it be the clean intro of the song? The one on the hits wasn't a clean intro. I want the isolated track not one sequed from Beautiful Night. mad

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seanski said:

I wonder will it be the clean intro of the song? The one on the hits wasn't a clean intro. I want the isolated track not one sequed from Beautiful Night. mad


I 2nd this.

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Reply #19 posted 06/28/20 1:39pm

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I noticed that about the Hits version too. It woudn't surprise me if the foreign edit were made directly from the album and not the master. Another reason to think it may be the same version. A few of those foreign edits are odd like that. Songs just fade out of nowhere lol I'm trying to track down someone who may have the actual record.

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Reply #20 posted 06/28/20 2:21pm

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Oh no! Not the big hole...didn't save my 45's record player center thingy from the 70's! Doubt they make the little plastic inserts for individual records anymore, lol. Probably have to get on Ebay or something now people. (Most won't even know what I am referring to.....!)

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Reply #21 posted 06/28/20 2:50pm

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Seahorsie said:

Oh no! Not the big hole...didn't save my 45's record player center thingy from the 70's! Doubt they make the little plastic inserts for individual records anymore, lol. Probably have to get on Ebay or something now people. (Most won't even know what I am referring to.....!)



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Ha! They have the center inserts for sale in literally every record store.
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Reply #22 posted 06/28/20 6:05pm

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Se7en said:

Seahorsie said:

Oh no! Not the big hole...didn't save my 45's record player center thingy from the 70's! Doubt they make the little plastic inserts for individual records anymore, lol. Probably have to get on Ebay or something now people. (Most won't even know what I am referring to.....!)

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Ha! They have the center inserts for sale in literally every record store.

Yep. And no big hole means I can't put them in my jukebox!

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Reply #23 posted 06/28/20 7:23pm

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KlyphIsBackAgain said:

Se7en said:

Seahorsie said: Ha! They have the center inserts for sale in literally every record store.

Yep. And no big hole means I can't put them in my jukebox!

Wow, have not been in a real Wecka Stow in years, who knew??!

Never thought about the jukebox deal...we are really havin some 1st world problems now, huh guys? Well, at least SOTT was released this month. Now we all gotta decide if we can part with the cash for it though. Well, have a good week nevertheless. popcorn

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Reply #24 posted 06/29/20 2:01am

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all sold out

:'((((

am i just too late?

...only 1987 units made...

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Reply #25 posted 06/29/20 4:58am

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Vannormal said:

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all sold out


:'((((


am i just too late?


...only 1987 units made...


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They were gone the first day.
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SchlomoThaHomo said:

Vannormal said:

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all sold out

:'((((

am i just too late?

...only 1987 units made...

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They were gone the first day.


I'm not in the market for that 7" box set, but I live only a few miles from where they're made. I wonder if the Third Man Records store has any set aside for in-store sale?

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Reply #27 posted 06/29/20 7:47am

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What singles box set are you all talkin about?

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Reply #28 posted 06/29/20 8:15am

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jiorjios said:

What singles box set are you all talkin about?



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Reply #29 posted 06/29/20 9:14am

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jiorjios said:

What singles box set are you all talkin about?


See the above photo.

This is being pressed by Third Man Records and was only available on their site and on the estate's site.

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