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Reply #210 posted 06/24/20 8:49am

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jaawwnn said:

LoveGalore said:

JorisE73 said: Yup. Or so that's what we have known. But we've had long-standing ideas corrected by these releases before.

Different versions of Sexual Suicide and Crystal Ball (I think?) as well. Ultimately I think we'd need a leak similar to the Crystal Ball album tape from a few years back to see what versions, edits etc. were used. It's gonna bug me that the Wendy Interlude isn't released though!

is "Colors" "Interlude"?

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Reply #211 posted 06/24/20 8:53am

Strive

Cosmic Day with an animated video would be so cool as the first single. That Camille sound is timeless.

Free the music, fire Michael Howe

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Reply #212 posted 06/24/20 8:58am

LoveGalore

OnlyNDaUsa said:



jaawwnn said:




LoveGalore said:


JorisE73 said: Yup. Or so that's what we have known. But we've had long-standing ideas corrected by these releases before.

Different versions of Sexual Suicide and Crystal Ball (I think?) as well. Ultimately I think we'd need a leak similar to the Crystal Ball album tape from a few years back to see what versions, edits etc. were used. It's gonna bug me that the Wendy Interlude isn't released though!





is "Colors" "Interlude"?



Yup
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Reply #213 posted 06/24/20 9:01am

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Ah great!

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Reply #214 posted 06/24/20 9:10am

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I'm looking forward to the DVD of the Paisely Park performance.

Although I love the Sign O' The Times movie, it's not a truely, 100% live concert performance. There's so much post-production and re-shoots... Heck, you can clearly see Prince lip-synching in parts.

This DVD will be my first opportunity to see a truly live Sign O' The Times concert. I can't wait.




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Reply #215 posted 06/24/20 9:10am

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Really Impatient to hear the piano song (The grand progression style song) ......When The Dawn Of The Morning Comes !!!


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Reply #216 posted 06/24/20 9:12am

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Really Impatient to hear the piano song (The grand progression style song) .....When The Dawn Of The Morning Comes !!!





My top 5 most anticipated

Cosmic Day
Love and Sex
Walkin in Glory
When The Dawn Of Morning Comes
Wally
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Reply #217 posted 06/24/20 9:14am

AvocadosMax

Remixes instead of Girl O My Dreams, Can’t Stop, We CanFunk 86??

I don’t care that we already have previous versions, these should have been included man

Michael Howe’s position should be like an elected official — we the purple people should vote the purple politicians in! I’d vote for Questlove to take over everything
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Reply #218 posted 06/24/20 9:15am

LoveGalore

AvocadosMax said:

Remixes instead of Girl O My Dreams, Can’t Stop, We CanFunk 86??

I don’t care that we already have previous versions, these should have been included man

Michael Howe’s position should be like an elected official — we the purple people should vote the purple politicians in! I’d vote for Questlove to take over everything


Questlove doesn't even like most of Prince's post Revolution material, lol.
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Reply #219 posted 06/24/20 9:15am

AvocadosMax

Now that I got my whining out the way, I’M SO EXCITED TO HEAR IN A LARGE ROOM WITH NO LIGHT IN PRISTINE AUDIO QUALITY AND THE 1979 VERSION OF I COULD NEVER TAKE THE PLACE OF YOUR MAN
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Reply #220 posted 06/24/20 9:19am

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Isnt When the Dawn of the Morning comes A instrumental ? Im looking forward to Walking In Glory the most,Unless Wally is the proper original version that Miss Rodgers was banging on about

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Reply #221 posted 06/24/20 9:21am

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AvocadosMax said:

Remixes instead of Girl O My Dreams, Can’t Stop, We CanFunk 86?? I don’t care that we already have previous versions, these should have been included man Michael Howe’s position should be like an elected official — we the purple people should vote the purple politicians in! I’d vote for Questlove to take over everything

Leaving out Girl O My Dreams completely leaves me hope that these might be on some other release. Agree that they are essential.

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Reply #222 posted 06/24/20 9:26am

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Isnt When the Dawn of the Morning comes A instrumental ? Im looking forward to Walking In Glory the most,Unless Wally is the proper original version that Miss Rodgers was banging on about

Sorry, just looked it up on Prince vault, dont think it is a Instrumental.Must have been thinking about another song on there

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Reply #223 posted 06/24/20 9:28am

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AvocadosMax said:

Remixes instead of Girl O My Dreams, Can’t Stop, We CanFunk 86?? I don’t care that we already have previous versions, these should have been included man Michael Howe’s position should be like an elected official — we the purple people should vote the purple politicians in! I’d vote for Questlove to take over everything



LOL!
That is so funny, I almosy fell over!!!!

cool

[Edited 6/24/20 9:28am]

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Reply #224 posted 06/24/20 9:32am

AvocadosMax

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AvocadosMax said:


Remixes instead of Girl O My Dreams, Can’t Stop, We CanFunk 86?? I don’t care that we already have previous versions, these should have been included man Michael Howe’s position should be like an elected official — we the purple people should vote the purple politicians in! I’d vote for Questlove to take over everything



LOL!
That is so funny, I almosy fell over!!!!

cool

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No, whats funny is people willing to have Michael Howe over Questlove or anyone else

Howe has done an exceptional job. But him censoring Lust U Always and Extraloveable off of 1999 SDE has shown he’s not willing to truly honor Prince’s legacy over how idiots might misinterpret the song/lyrics. Who knows what else we’re missing?
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Reply #225 posted 06/24/20 9:36am

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antonb said:

antonb said:

Isnt When the Dawn of the Morning comes A instrumental ? Im looking forward to Walking In Glory the most,Unless Wally is the proper original version that Miss Rodgers was banging on about

Sorry, just looked it up on Prince vault, dont think it is a Instrumental.Must have been thinking about another song on there

The Vault is not updated on the statut of all songs ....sometimes they listed some versions and not the others because they can't be aware of everything in the Vault !

PS > iam impatient to listen BLANCHE for example !

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Reply #226 posted 06/24/20 9:36am

antonb

I understood in this present climate, why they were left off.

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Reply #227 posted 06/24/20 9:40am

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antonb said:

antonb said:

Isnt When the Dawn of the Morning comes A instrumental ? Im looking forward to Walking In Glory the most,Unless Wally is the proper original version that Miss Rodgers was banging on about

Sorry, just looked it up on Prince vault, dont think it is a Instrumental.Must have been thinking about another song on there

I think "Blanche" is basically an instrumental with some vocals but not much in the way of lyrics.

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Reply #228 posted 06/24/20 9:43am

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

antonb said:

Sorry, just looked it up on Prince vault, dont think it is a Instrumental.Must have been thinking about another song on there

I think "Blanche" is basically an instrumental with some vocals but not much in the way of lyrics.

of course absolutely not.....but anyway....it doesn't matter !

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Reply #229 posted 06/24/20 9:46am

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i just watched Mathieu Bitton's Instagram live feed. Someone asked him about the Sign o' The Times release and he made a comment about how Amazon screwed up as previously mentioned on this thread. He didn't go into specifics, but he did mention something interesting prior to that. He was a creative consultant on the Ultimate Prince compilation and apparently Prince wanted there to be a third disc that would be filled with remixes of some songs.

He showed the sleeve of the test pressed vinyl (he mentioned that Ultimate was supposed to be pressed on vinyl) with the track list written by Prince himself. He mentioned that he is trying to resurrect that project, so maybe that will be a release down the road.

I was able to take a screenshot of it.

https://imgur.com/a/Rdd66WE

That was me who asked him. I only asked because he showed all the vinyl behind him and I instantly saw SOTT in the front of the stack. He was very vague.

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Reply #230 posted 06/24/20 10:17am

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AvocadosMax said:

Remixes instead of Girl O My Dreams, Can’t Stop, We CanFunk 86?? I don’t care that we already have previous versions, these should have been included man Michael Howe’s position should be like an elected official — we the purple people should vote the purple politicians in! I’d vote for Questlove to take over everything

Agreed! I can't believe we're getting this remix instead of U Got The Look (banjo version), Euphoria Highway, Crucial (guitar version), etc.... mad

Just listen to me - big whiny-ass bitch... lol

[Edited 6/24/20 10:18am]

"I like to watch."
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Reply #231 posted 06/24/20 10:25am

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CD FORMAT

Sign O The Times (Super Deluxe Edition)
Track Listings
Disc: 1
1. Sign O' The Times (2020 Remaster)
2. Play In The Sunshine (2020 Remaster)
3. Housequake (2020 Remaster)
4. The Ballad Of Dorothy Parker (2020 Remaster)
5. It (2020 Remaster)
6. Starfish And Coffee (2020 Remaster)
7. Slow Love (2020 Remaster)
8. Hot Thing (2020 Remaster)
9. Forever In My Life (2020 Remaster)
Disc: 2
1. U Got The Look (2020 Remaster)
2. If I Was Your Girlfriend (2020 Remaster)
3. Strange Relationship (2020 Remaster)
4. I Could Never Take The Place Of Your Man (2020 Remaster)
5. The Cross (2020 Remaster)
6. It's Gonna Be A Beautiful Night (2020 Remaster)
7. Adore (2020 Remaster)
Disc: 3
1. Sign O' The Times (Edit) [2020 Remaster]
2. La, La, La, He, He, Hee (Edit) [2020 Remaster]
3. La, La, La, He, He, Hee (Highly Explosive) [2020 Remaster]
4. If I Was Your Girlfriend (Edit) [2020 Remaster]
5. Shockadelica (2020 Remaster)
6. Shockadelica (12" Long Version) [2020 Remaster]
7. U Got the Look (Long Look) [2020 Remaster]
8. Housequake (Edit) [2020 Remaster]
9. Housequake (7 Minutes MoQuake) [2020 Remaster]
10. I Could Never Take the Place of Your Man (Fade) [2020 Remaster]
11. Hot Thing (Edit) [2020 Remaster]
12. Hot Thing (Extended Remix) [2020 Remaster]
13. Hot Thing (Dub Version) [2020 Remaster]
Disc: 4
1. I Could Never Take The Place Of Your Man (1979 Version) [2020 Remaster]
2. Teacher Teacher (1985 Version) [2020 Remaster]
3. All My Dreams (2020 Remaster)
4. Can I Play With U? (feat. Miles Davis) [2020 Remaster]
5. Wonderful Day (2020 Remaster)
6. Strange Relationship (2020 Remaster)
7. Visions (2020 Remaster)
8. The Ballad Of Dorothy Parker (With Horns) [2020 Remaster]
9. Witness 4 The Prosecution (Version 1) [2020 Remaster]
10. Power Fantastic (Live in Studio) [2020 Remaster]
11. And That Says What? (2020 Remaster)
12. Love And Sex (2020 Remaster)
13. A Place In Heaven (Prince Vocal) [2020 Remaster]
14. Colors (2020 Remaster)
15. Crystal Ball (7" Mix) [2020 Remaster]
16. Big Tall Wall (Version 1) [2020 Remaster]
17. Nevaeh Ni Ecalp A (2020 Remaster)
18. In A Large Room With No Light (2020 Remaster)
Disc: 5
1. Train (2020 Remaster)
2. It Ain't Over 'Til The Fat Lady Sings (2020 Remaster)
3. Eggplant (Original Prince Vocal) [2020 Remaster]
4. Everybody Want What They Don't Got (2020 Remaster)
5. Blanche (2020 Remaster)
6. Soul Psychodelicide (1986 Master) [2020 Remaster]
7. The Ball (2020 Remaster)
8. Adonis And Bathsheba (2020 Remaster)
9. Forever In My Life (Early Vocal Run-Through) [2020 Remaster]
10. Crucial (Alternate Lyrics) [2020 Remaster]
11. The Cocoa Boys (2020 Remaster)
12. When The Dawn Of The Morning Comes (2020 Remaster)
13. Witness 4 The Prosecution (Version 2) [2020 Remaster]
14. It Be's Like That Sometimes (2020 Remaster)
Disc: 6
1. Emotional Pump (2020 Remaster)
2. Rebirth Of The Flesh (Original Outro) [2020 Remaster]
3. Cosmic Day (2020 Remaster)
4. Walkin' In Glory (2020 Remaster)
5. Wally (2020 Remaster)
6. I Need A Man (2020 Remaster)
7. Promise To Be True (2020 Remaster)
8. Jealous Girl (Version 2) [2020 Remaster]
9. There's Something I Like About Being Your Fool (2020 Remaster)
10. Big Tall Wall (Version 2) [2020 Remaster]
11. A Place In Heaven (Lisa Vocal) [2020 Remaster]
12. Wonderful Day (12" Mix) [2020 Remaster]
13. Strange Relationship (1987 Shep Pettibone Club Mix) [2020 Remaster]
Disc: 7
1. Intro/Sign O' The Times (Live in Utrecht) [2020 Remaster]
2. Play In The Sunshine (Live In Utrecht) [2020 Remaster]
3. Little Red Corvette (Live In Utrecht) [2020 Remaster]
4. Housequake (Live In Utrecht) [2020 Remaster]
5. Girls & Boys (Live In Utrecht) [2020 Remaster]
6. Slow Love (Live In Utrecht) [2020 Remaster]
7. Take The "A" Train / Pacemaker / I Could Never Take The Place Of Your Man (Live In Utrecht) [2020 Re
8. Hot Thing (Live In Utrecht) [2020 Remaster]
9. Four (Includes Sheila E. Drum Solo) [Live In Utrecht] [2020 Remaster]
10. If I Was Your Girlfriend (Live In Utrecht) [2020 Remaster]
Disc: 8
1. Let's Go Crazy (Live In Utrecht) [2020 Remaster]
2. When Doves Cry (Live In Utrecht) [2020 Remaster]
3. Purple Rain (Live In Utrecht) [2020 Remaster]
4. 1999 (Live In Utrecht) [2020 Remaster]
5. Forever In My Life (Live In Utrecht) [2020 Remaster]
6. Kiss (Live In Utrecht) [2020 Remaster]
7. The Cross (Live In Utrecht) [2020 Remaster]
8. It's Gonna Be A Beautiful Night (Live In Utrecht) [2020 Remaster]
Disc: 9 DVD
1. Sign O' The Times (Live at Paisley Park, Minneapolis, MN, 12/31/1987)
2. Play In The Sunshine (Live at Paisley Park, Minneapolis, MN, 12/31/1987)
3. Little Red Corvette (Live at Paisley Park, Minneapolis, MN, 12/31/1987)
4. Erotic City (Live at Paisley Park, Minneapolis, MN, 12/31/1987)
5. Housequake (Live at Paisley Park, Minneapolis, MN, 12/31/1987)
6. Slow Love (Live at Paisley Park, Minneapolis, MN, 12/31/1987)
7. Do Me, Baby (Live at Paisley Park, Minneapolis, MN, 12/31/1987)
8. Adore (Live at Paisley Park, Minneapolis, MN, 12/31/1987)
9. I Could Never Take The Place Of Your Man (Live at Paisley Park, Minneapolis, MN, 12/31/1987)
10. What's Your Name Jam (Live at Paisley Park, Minneapolis, MN, 12/31/1987)
11. Let's Pretend We're Married (Live at Paisley Park, Minneapolis, MN, 12/31/1987)
12. Delirious (Live at Paisley Park, Minneapolis, MN, 12/31/1987)
13. Jack U Off (Live at Paisley Park, Minneapolis, MN, 12/31/1987)
14. Drum Solo (Live at Paisley Park, Minneapolis, MN, 12/31/1987)
15. Twelve (Live at Paisley Park, Minneapolis, MN, 12/31/1987)
16. Hot Thing (Live at Paisley Park, Minneapolis, MN, 12/31/1987)
17. If I Was Your Girlfriend (Live at Paisley Park, Minneapolis, MN, 12/31/1987)
18. Let's Go Crazy (Live at Paisley Park, Minneapolis, MN, 12/31/1987)
19. When Doves Cry (Live at Paisley Park, Minneapolis, MN, 12/31/1987)
20. Purple Rain (Live at Paisley Park, Minneapolis, MN, 12/31/1987)
21. 1999 (Live at Paisley Park, Minneapolis, MN, 12/31/1987)
22. U Got The Look (Live at Paisley Park, Minneapolis, MN, 12/31/1987)

My 2 cents:

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- The B-sides and remixes CD lacks the music video versions of U Got The Look and ICNTTPOYM? but since both are in the movie it's possible this is related to a rights problem. Sadly, the Razormaid Mix of Housequake isn't included either (it was released on a Razormaid compilation so technically counts as released in connexion to the album), but again it's possible there is a rights issue with Razormaid, IDK.

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- The 3 CDs of outtakes sound fine to me. The most blatant omission is the Dream Factory Musical suite (Can't Stop, Data Bank, We Can Funk, Girl O' My Dreams), but admitedly they couldn't include everything anyway, and that leaves material for future releases.

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- I'm a bit confused with the includion of 1979 and 1985 material, since 1999 Deluxe suggested they took the approach to release the material based on release date not the project it ended on (or was considered for), but whatever, I've reached the point where I don't care what they release as long as they release something and it's not hybrid posthumous mixes such as what we got on Originals.

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- As pointed by others, it won't be totally possible for us to recreate any DF, Camille or CB config with the material included there. I think it's better that way because, as suggested by someone, those early album configurations would make perfect RSD releases. Prince left many work in progress configurations behind him, and if the estate was to release one or 2 each year for RSD, this would make many a fan happy. Hopefully they'll consider it. Then, sequencing (including the length of silence between tracks) could be respected and we'd get exactly what Prince tried.

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- I'm fine with the shows, too. I just hope they can and will mix the video show as well, not give usabootleg sounding thing like the 1999 video show (I'm still unsure whether they couldn't or wouldn't mix and clean-up this one).

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Reply #232 posted 06/24/20 10:43am

thedoorkeeper

Finally Soul Psychodelicide!
Good times! biggrin
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Reply #233 posted 06/24/20 10:44am

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sulls said:



AvocadosMax said:


Remixes instead of Girl O My Dreams, Can’t Stop, We CanFunk 86?? I don’t care that we already have previous versions, these should have been included man Michael Howe’s position should be like an elected official — we the purple people should vote the purple politicians in! I’d vote for Questlove to take over everything

Agreed! I can't believe we're getting this remix instead of U Got The Look (banjo version), Euphoria Highway, Crucial (guitar version), etc.... mad




Just listen to me - big whiny-ass bitch... lol

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Euphoria Highway is better suited to a Parade SDE, I think. We don't know what the version of Crucial even is beyond "alternate lyrics" so it may well be the guitar version.

I also don't think UGTL's so called banjo version even exists though there was a demo done before Sheena was involved and it was very different at that point.
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Reply #234 posted 06/24/20 10:52am

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darkroman said:



LOL!
That is so funny, I almosy fell over!!!!

cool

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No, whats funny is people willing to have Michael Howe over Questlove or anyone else Howe has done an exceptional job.

With all due respect, Mr. Howe did everything but an admirable job. There have literally been problems with every posthumous release:

- Fake posthumous edit of Let's Work on 4ever (not sure if M. Howe was involved).

- Sound glitches on Erotic City and Computer Blue on PR Deluxe + material missing from the b-sides/mixes CD + mistitling of Possessed + the Our Destiny/Roadhouse Garden crossfade appears to be a posthumous fake mix made from 2 different cassettes (and not even faithful to the original crossfade according to traders who have it).

- Fake posthumous mix of NC2U on the single, then again on Originals.

- Pitch problem and other sound issues with the P&AM83 release, that according to the engineers here could have been corrected at least to a certain extent.

- At least half of Originals is made of fake posthumous mixes (and Niko Bolas' Peach and Black interview sheds some light on the totally erratic method that was used to determine which version of each track would be "recreated").

- Hiring Niko Bolas in the first place, who is undoubtebly a great professional, but one who (by his own admission) knew nothing about Prince's music beforehand. Even if the engineers who worked on early to mid 80's material are retired, I'm sure many of the engineers Prince used later in his career are still available to do the job.

- The Versace Experience apparently sourced from cassette (if the master was lost then they should have said it).

- Material missing from the 1999 Deluxe b-sides/mixes CD + little to no effort to improve the sound quality of the video concert + I'm still unsure whether ALL the mixes were as faithful to Prince's cassette mixes as they could have been (but, admitedly, they seem to be way more faithful than the ones on Originals).

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Now I'm not saying Mr. Howe's job is easy: accidents can happen, posthumous mixes will never be exactly like the cassettes mixes, etc., but certain things in the list above were deliberate choices, either because Mr. Howe took artistic licence, or possibly, in some cases, to minimize expanses.

In the end the good news is that all of the above can be rereleased with the problems fixed, one day in the future, but I don't trust this man to do the best possible job, and probably never will after this sad series of fiascos.

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Reply #235 posted 06/24/20 10:53am

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Finally Soul Psychodelicide! Good times! biggrin

I hope this is really a studio track and not 12 minutes butchered off the circulating rehearsal (that, in itself, is so awesome it'd deserve its own release).

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Reply #236 posted 06/24/20 11:08am

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mediumdry said:

zobilamouche said:

Well the whole reason to refilm most of the show back home in the US was exactly because of the material shot in Europa was unusable.

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That used to be the narrative. From interviews with many of the people involved with the film, it seems now that, while the film was a bit dark at times (for which there are many technologies now to make that less of a problem)

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Or you could, I dunno, watch the Blu-ray and easily spot when they use actual concert footage since it really stands out as grainy and bad.

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Reply #237 posted 06/24/20 11:15am

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newpowergeneration said:

For anyone curious, if something is recorded on film, it really doesn't matter how old it is, it's "high definition".

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Not true. There are tons of types of film, and it greatly depends on how they were stored etc.

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For instance, it is well known that The Godfather required extensive restoration.

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Reply #238 posted 06/24/20 11:16am

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LoveGalore said:

sulls said:

Agreed! I can't believe we're getting this remix instead of U Got The Look (banjo version), Euphoria Highway, Crucial (guitar version), etc.... mad

Just listen to me - big whiny-ass bitch... lol

[Edited 6/24/20 10:18am]

Euphoria Highway is better suited to a Parade SDE, I think. We don't know what the version of Crucial even is beyond "alternate lyrics" so it may well be the guitar version. I also don't think UGTL's so called banjo version even exists though there was a demo done before Sheena was involved and it was very different at that point.

True dat. Heck - who even knew Prince could play the banjo???

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Reply #239 posted 06/24/20 11:38am

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I wish he had allowed himself to look back/reflect more during his life and to celebrate these classics with releases like this.

Regardless, I'm just glad it's happening now.

I Love U, But I Don't Trust U Anymore...
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