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Reply #510 posted 06/25/20 12:09pm

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goosepumble said:

In a large room with no light. I can die happy.


That 1 2 dancing jig
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Reply #511 posted 06/25/20 12:09pm

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and the last song of the vault tracks is alone on a full LP side:


Strange Relationship (1987 Shep Pettibone Club Mix) 2020 Remaster
00:07:08


I was thinking it had to be at least 15 mins!

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Reply #512 posted 06/25/20 12:09pm

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The digital version on Amazon MP3 is marked as $75

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Reply #513 posted 06/25/20 12:09pm

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It looks like The Ballad of Dorothy Parker is 53 SECONDS LONGER in the unreleased version...4:56 vs. 4:03!! EXCELLENT!!
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Reply #514 posted 06/25/20 12:11pm

parker

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

Wally 2020 Remaster 04:45

dang it! Same as the leaked version... I was hopeful that there was more to it.

Other than 10 additional seconds, is there any other indication that Wally 2020 Remaster is the same as the leaked version? Color me skeptical but I sincerely doubt that the 'Remaster' will have the same intro that fades out as indicated in the leak.

I don't see how it can't be the same version. If there was a different version, we'd have two version of Wally on the set, like Big Tall Wall, and Witness.

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Reply #515 posted 06/25/20 12:12pm

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Blanche dancing jig. Always wondered what that was about besides being an instrumental with vocal sounds hmmm. I'll go somewhere now lurking.
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Reply #516 posted 06/25/20 12:14pm

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james said:

Can’t wait to get the CD set... incredible release for hardcore fans... but... . I feel it would have been good for the less hardcore if Crystal Ball, Dream Factory, etc were on this set (The Crystal Ball set they’re on is quite an obscure release for many fans). And we could have lost a few 7” edits to make this work.

It doesn't seem to me like the b-sides/mixes CD really compete with the outtakes. As long as there's enough of them to fill a whole CD, they'll keep these separate and while they're willing to give up on a few mixes to make sure it's not more than 1 CD, they won't put outtakes on it at this stage.

This might change with the early albums, since there was much less non-album material, because obviously they're not gonna make a CD with only the disco mixes of Soft And Wet and Just As Long, but clearly now it's out of the question and there are also those who think it's already very disappointing that they wouldn't expand these to TWO CD's per set so that they could include everything instead of sacrificing some like they did so far.

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So what was left was discard some other outtakes to make room for these. There was of course no way they'd include the versions that are on CB (these now belong there) but if you mean alternate cuts, that's what they they did with Crucial why not, and an alternate mix of Crystal Ball is included (admitedly not the longest one most of us would have picked, but still, it's there).

Now there are (slightly) alternate mixes of at least Dream Factory, Movie Star and Last Heart they could have used, and why not indeed? But I guess they assumed fans demanded more new material and these were better off saved for potential special RSD style editions of DF or CB86 (remarkably, such releases would not contain Crucial or the CB edit)? Thing is, the core audience for this project has already heard MOST of the outtakes in bootleg format. How many songs are there that we've never heard at all in any form whatsoever? 5 maybe? Not to mention the fact that some outtakes already appear in multiple versions on the set, so IDK. Choices had to be made...

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Besides, I don't think CB98 is "obscure" anymore. Not in 2020 when it can be found on each and every streaming platform, and with Sony Legacy on its way to rerelease it on CD and LP in one or 2 years, and then it's in every record store as well.

When "obscure" used to mean "hard to find CD", OK. But today there's nothing obcure about a record that your 8 year old kid can find on YouTube in 20 seconds.

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Reply #517 posted 06/25/20 12:17pm

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Can we talk about the Blue version of the cover?

Looks like they just changed changed the color on his clothes, and the drums/scarves.

What's that about I wonder? Maybe the blue was original? Sorta interesting he didn't go with peach instead of the yellow.

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Reply #518 posted 06/25/20 12:20pm

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lavendardrummachine said:

Can we talk about the Blue version of the cover?

Looks like they just changed changed the color on his clothes, and the drums/scarves.

What's that about I wonder? Maybe the blue was original? Sorta interesting he didn't go with peach instead of the yellow.

Blue was the orginal... changed to fit the "Peach and Black" theme.

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Reply #519 posted 06/25/20 12:21pm

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Here are the track times in case Qobuz removes them:

DISC 1
1 Sign O' The Times 2020 Remaster 04:57
2 Play In The Sunshine 2020 Remaster 05:06
3 Housequake 2020 Remaster 04:40
4 The Ballad Of Dorothy Parker 2020 Remaster 04:03
5 It 2020 Remaster 05:10
6 Starfish And Coffee 2020 Remaster 02:50
7 Slow Love 2020 Remaster 04:22
8 Hot Thing 2020 Remaster 05:39
9 Forever In My Life 2020 Remaster 03:32
DISC 2
1 U Got The Look 2020 Remaster 03:46
2 If I Was Your Girlfriend 2020 Remaster 05:04
3 Strange Relationship 2020 Remaster 04:03
4 I Could Never Take The Place Of Your Man 2020 Remaster 06:30
5 The Cross 2020 Remaster 04:49
6 It's Gonna Be A Beautiful Night 2020 Remaster 09:02
7 Adore 2020 Remaster 06:35
DISC 3
1 Sign O' The Times (Edit) 2020 Remaster 03:41
2 La, La, La, He, He, Hee (Edit) 2020 Remaster 03:22
3 La, La, La, He, He, Hee (Highly Explosive) 2020 Remaster 10:47
4 If I Was Your Girlfriend (Edit) 2020 Remaster 03:47
5 Shockadelica 2020 Remaster 03:31
6 Shockadelica (12" Long Version) 2020 Remaster 06:13
7 U Got the Look (Long Look) 2020 Remaster 06:41
8 Housequake (Edit) 2020 Remaster 03:22
9 Housequake (7 Minutes MoQuake) 2020 Remaster 07:12
10 I Could Never Take the Place of Your Man (Fade) 2020 Remaster 03:39
11 Hot Thing (Edit) 2020 Remaster 03:41
12 Hot Thing (Extended Remix) 2020 Remaster 08:32
13 Hot Thing (Dub Version) 2020 Remaster 06:53
DISC 4
1 I Could Never Take The Place Of Your Man (1979 Version) 2020 Remaster 03:13
2 Teacher Teacher (1985 Version) 2020 Remaster 03:08
3 All My Dreams 2020 Remaster 07:24
4 Can I Play With U? (feat. Miles Davis) 2020 Remaster 06:40
5 Wonderful Day 2020 Remaster 03:48
6 Strange Relationship 2020 Remaster 06:42
7 Visions 2020 Remaster 02:19
8 The Ballad Of Dorothy Parker With Horns; 2020 Remaster 04:56
9 Witness 4 The Prosecution (Version 1) 2020 Remaster 03:59
10 Power Fantastic (Live in Studio) 2020 Remaster 07:18
11 And That Says What? 2020 Remaster 01:50
12 Love And Sex 2020 Remaster 04:12
13 A Place In Heaven (Prince Vocal) 2020 Remaster 02:58
14 Colors 2020 Remaster 01:01
15 Crystal Ball (7" Mix) 2020 Remaster 03:30
16 Big Tall Wall (Version 1) 2020 Remaster 05:59
17 Nevaeh Ni Ecalp A 2020 Remaster 02:33
18 In A Large Room With No Light 2020 Remaster 03:27
DISC 5
1 Train 2020 Remaster 04:22
2 It Ain't Over 'Til The Fat Lady Sings 2020 Remaster 02:22
3 Eggplant (Original Prince Vocal) 2020 Remaster 05:19
4 Everybody Want What They Don't Got 2020 Remaster 02:09
5 Blanche 2020 Remaster 05:37
6 Soul Psychodelicide (1986 Master) 2020 Remaster 12:37
7 The Ball 2020 Remaster 04:34
8 Adonis And Bathsheba 2020 Remaster 05:28
9 Forever In My Life (Early Vocal Run-Through) 2020 Remaster 06:25
10 Crucial (Alternate Lyrics) 2020 Remaster 06:15
11 The Cocoa Boys 2020 Remaster 06:06
12 When The Dawn Of The Morning Comes 2020 Remaster 06:17
13 Witness 4 The Prosecution (Version 2) 2020 Remaster 05:03
14 It Be's Like That Sometimes 2020 Remaster 03:19
DISC 6
1 Emotional Pump 2020 Remaster 04:59
2 Rebirth Of The Flesh (Original Outro) 2020 Remaster 05:28
3 Cosmic Day 2020 Remaster 05:39
4 Walkin' In Glory 2020 Remaster 05:14
5 Wally 2020 Remaster 04:45
6 I Need A Man 2020 Remaster 05:33
7 Promise To Be True 2020 Remaster 03:38
8 Jealous Girl (Version 2) 2020 Remaster 04:52
9 There's Something I Like About Being Your Fool 2020 Remaster 03:49
10 Big Tall Wall (Version 2) 2020 Remaster 05:46
11 A Place In Heaven (Lisa Vocal) 2020 Remaster 02:46
12 Wonderful Day (12" Mix) 2020 Remaster 07:34
13 Strange Relationship (1987 Shep Pettibone Club Mix) 2020 Remaster 07:08
DISC 7
1 Intro/Sign O' The Times (Live in Utrecht) 2020 Remaster 05:36
2 Play In The Sunshine (Live In Utrecht) 2020 Remaster 04:36
3 Little Red Corvette (Live In Utrecht) 2020 Remaster 01:36
4 Housequake (Live In Utrecht) 2020 Remaster 04:52
5 Girls & Boys (Live In Utrecht) 2020 Remaster 04:17
6 Slow Love (Live In Utrecht) 2020 Remaster 05:06
7 Take The "A" Train / Pacemaker / I Could Never Take The Place Of Your Man (Live In Utrecht) 2020 Remaster 10:17
8 Hot Thing (Live In Utrecht) 2020 Remaster 06:15
9 Four (Includes Sheila E. Drum Solo) [Live In Utrecht] 2020 Remaster 06:12
10 If I Was Your Girlfriend (Live In Utrecht) 2020 Remaster 05:17
DISC 8
1 Let's Go Crazy (Live In Utrecht) 2020 Remaster 06:10
2 When Doves Cry (Live In Utrecht) 2020 Remaster 02:46
3 Purple Rain (Live In Utrecht) 2020 Remaster 05:40
4 1999 (Live In Utrecht) 2020 Remaster 05:54
5 Forever In My Life (Live In Utrecht) 2020 Remaster 13:12
6 Kiss (Live In Utrecht) 2020 Remaster 03:33
7 The Cross (Live In Utrecht) 2020 Remaster 07:44
8 It's Gonna Be A Beautiful Night (Live In Utrecht) 2020 Remaster 13:55

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Reply #520 posted 06/25/20 12:21pm

DenDen

Still not quite sure what to believe about packaging size for SDE on CD.

Folks are saying it is definitely 12 x 12 box for CDs but official site shows packaging as CD sized (compared to LP size which shows DVD in frame.

https://store.prince.com/...vd?cp=null

Hoping it's the later. Seems silly not to make it compatible to 1999 size/packaging since 75% or more of the folks shelling out the bucks for this release are the same that payed through the nose for that one. Why not keep the packaging consistent? Some of us are a wee bit crazy that way.

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Reply #521 posted 06/25/20 12:21pm

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parker said:

james said:

Can’t wait to get the CD set... incredible release for hardcore fans... but... . I feel it would have been good for the less hardcore if Crystal Ball, Dream Factory, etc were on this set (The Crystal Ball set they’re on is quite an obscure release for many fans). And we could have lost a few 7” edits to make this work. It would also have made the 4 disk deluxe better value for the less hardcore fans. . And the 7” set is cute for The Beatles or Elvis, but this was the age of extended 12” mixes... Nice looking, but feels pointless and just wrong to me!

I keep seeing this idea that the track released on CB 98 are somehow, not actually released. I think its clear to see, that the Estate is treating that album, as a legit part of Prince's discography, and so, it's probably ALWAYS going to be around. It's not obscured anymore, especially once Sony re-releases it. Those tracks on it were their official release. Crystal Ball, Dream Factory, Sexual Suicide, Last Heart, Movie Star, Make Your Mama Happy are NOT vault tracks, and the version they could have released, are not diffrent enough, I beleive. Much like the alt version of D.M.S.R. wasn't released on 1999 SDE. That said, Crucial is like the full version of Delrious, or Something In The Water.

I'm honestly stunned how on the mark this is.

Ha you beat me to it!

Yeah, clearly there seems to be a kind of cognitive dissonance for many fans between the reality of Crystal Ball 1998 as being a proper album that's part of the canon (which is indeed how the estate sees it, but also how Prince saw it), and how it's perceived by fans as some sort of vague compilation that doesn't really exist. Funny stuff.

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Reply #522 posted 06/25/20 12:22pm

emesem

Love the blue.

Amazon still not showing the SD LP set. Wonder if they are letting Prince Store get a window where they are the only place to preorder in the US. SD CD is up.

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Reply #523 posted 06/25/20 12:22pm

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Strange Relationship
00:06:42

hmmm

IM looking at a picture from an old bootleg.

The time listed on the alternate version is 4:24



Maybe this is the album version with out the fade? Or is it a longer version of the alternate

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Reply #524 posted 06/25/20 12:27pm

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

Blue was the orginal... changed to fit the "Peach and Black" theme.


Interesting. Thank you! I wonder if that blue was supposed to be a Crystal Ball blue? Still wonder how they arrived at yellow instead of the peach.

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Reply #525 posted 06/25/20 12:27pm

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Strange Relationship
00:06:42

hmmm

IM looking at a picture from an old bootleg.

The time listed on the alternate version is 4:24



Maybe this is the album version with out the fade? Or is it a longer version of the alternate

My guess is a longer version of the alternate "sitar" version. Both because it's the first disc (so earlier in the chronology) but also, if it was the album version without the fade, the Shep Pettibone remix seems like it'd be redudant.

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Reply #526 posted 06/25/20 12:27pm

Strive

Well shit...

As well as the two big boxes, 3CD and 4LP packages offer remastered album alongside the single mixes, edits and B-sides while the album-only editions come on limited 2LP peach-coloured vinyl and 2CD. All formats except 2CD and 2LP are ONE TIME ONLY pressings. Once the initial run sells out that’s it! Once the 2LP peach vinyl is gone, it will be replaced with a black vinyl version. Fans will be well aware that the 1999 super deluxe editions are now out of print less than a year after release. The vinyl sets will come with a download code!

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Reply #527 posted 06/25/20 12:32pm

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Pre order it now lol


said:

All formats except 2CD and 2LP are ONE TIME ONLY pressings. Once the initial run sells out that’s it!
Fans will be well aware that the 1999 super deluxe editions are now out of print less than a year after release.

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Reply #528 posted 06/25/20 12:36pm

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Looks like the best ever Prince release to me, although of course the selection of unreleased tracks has some disappointments. Pre-ordered!
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Reply #529 posted 06/25/20 12:39pm

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blacknote said:



OnlyNDaUsa said:


Wally 2020 Remaster 04:45

dang it! Same as the leaked version... I was hopeful that there was more to it.




Otherr than 10 additional seconds, is there any other indication that Wally 2020 Remaster is the same as the leaked version? Color me skeptical but I sincerely doubt that the 'Remaster' will have the same intro that fades out as indicated in the leak.


My guess is that it's the "Wally" version we already know.
But the circulating version is probably too fast.
Maybe that's why the Deluxe version is 10 seconds longer.
Same with "In A Large Room" btw.
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Reply #530 posted 06/25/20 12:40pm

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lottusflower said:

Sign O' The Times Limited Edition 7" Vinyl Singles Box Set is strictly limited to 1,987 units, and manufactured by Third Man Pressing in Detroit. Containing remastered audio for all four official 7” singles released in 1987, as well as the two official Warner Records promo singles, the set contains a brand new 7” single comprising two versions of the previously unreleased track “Witness 4 The Prosecution”. All seven 7” singles are presented on peach vinyl in picture sleeves, of which three are newly designed using exclusive photography from Jeff Katz. Each set is accompanied by one of six special collectors picture cards, and is housed in a 7” box that is hand-numbered (of a total run of 1,987 units).

Track List
1A Sign "O" The Times (Edit)
1B La, La, La, He, He, Hee (Edit)

2A If I Was Your Girlfriend (Edit)
2B Shockadelica

3A U Got The Look
3B Housequake (Edit)

4A I Could Never Take The Place Of Your Man (Fade)
4B Hot Thing (Edit)

5A Hot Thing (Edit)
5B Hot Thing (Edit)

6A The Cross
6B Adore

7A Witness 4 The Prosecution (Version 1)
7B Witness 4 The Prosecution (Version 2)

Tracks 7A and 7B previously unreleased

I wonder if the 6B Adore will have a clean into? eek
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Reply #531 posted 06/25/20 12:44pm

BlueShakooo

Power Fantastic (Live in Studio) 2020 Remaster
00:07:18
1 Minute longer than the Long Version on Blast From The Past.
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Reply #532 posted 06/25/20 12:46pm

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emesem said:

Love the blue.

Amazon still not showing the SD LP set. Wonder if they are letting Prince Store get a window where they are the only place to preorder in the US. SD CD is up.

Yeah, won't show for me either. It's still in "My Orders" though, as I pre-ordered it the first day they mistakenly posted it for sale. But when I look for it now, it's not there...and the US links provided for it shows "Somethiong Went Wrong". Is that what you're seeing? Is anyne able to find it on Amazon US? Talking about the vinyl version only...

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Reply #533 posted 06/25/20 12:47pm

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DenDen said:

Still not quite sure what to believe about packaging size for SDE on CD.



Folks are saying it is definitely 12 x 12 box for CDs but official site shows packaging as CD sized (compared to LP size which shows DVD in frame.


https://store.prince.com/...vd?cp=null



Hoping it's the later. Seems silly not to make it compatible to 1999 size/packaging since 75% or more of the folks shelling out the bucks for this release are the same that payed through the nose for that one. Why not keep the packaging consistent? Some of us are a wee bit crazy that way.




Because alot of folks were complaining that they couldn't get the full-sized book w/ the CD version of 1999 SD and Originals.
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Reply #534 posted 06/25/20 12:48pm

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Ha you beat me to it!

Yeah, clearly there seems to be a kind of cognitive dissonance for many fans between the reality of Crystal Ball 1998 as being a proper album that's part of the canon (which is indeed how the estate sees it, but also how Prince saw it), and how it's perceived by fans as some sort of vague compilation that doesn't really exist. Funny stuff.



Well that is how the vault defines it. They list a Crystal Ball as an unreleased set, and the Crystal Ball that was released as a vault collection of outtakes generally from two time periods. There are other details in their descriptions that help the perception too. Plus being a non-big label release some people regarded online in the same class as the NPG music club stuff, or even the Versace collections. I don't remember it being promoted as a collection instead of a new record though, maybe the press did it too, but it opens with Dream Factory, and it's not the Dream Factory record so...

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Reply #535 posted 06/25/20 12:50pm

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ThirdStrike said:



emesem said:



Love the blue.



Amazon still not showing the SD LP set. Wonder if they are letting Prince Store get a window where they are the only place to preorder in the US. SD CD is up.



Yeah, won't show for me either. It's still in "My Orders" though, as I pre-ordered it the first day they mistakenly posted it for sale. But when I look for it now, it's not there...and the US links provided for it shows "Somethiong Went Wrong". Is that what you're seeing? Is anyne able to find it on Amazon US? Talking about the vinyl version only...



I pre-ordered it too when they mistakenly put it up. Still showing in orders, link still not working. Give a day or so. It should be relisted. I've found in the past that UK pre-order listings get put up more consistently than the American store, and not just with Prince releases.
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Reply #536 posted 06/25/20 12:53pm

parker

lavendardrummachine said:

databank said:

Ha you beat me to it!

Yeah, clearly there seems to be a kind of cognitive dissonance for many fans between the reality of Crystal Ball 1998 as being a proper album that's part of the canon (which is indeed how the estate sees it, but also how Prince saw it), and how it's perceived by fans as some sort of vague compilation that doesn't really exist. Funny stuff.



Well that is how the vault defines it. They list a Crystal Ball as an unreleased set, and the Crystal Ball that was released as a vault collection of outtakes generally from two time periods. There are other details in their descriptions that help the perception too. Plus being a non-big label release some people regarded online in the same class as the NPG music club stuff, or even the Versace collections. I don't remember it being promoted as a collection instead of a new record though, maybe the press did it too, but it opens with Dream Factory, and it's not the Dream Factory record so...

It opens with Crystal Ball. It doesn't matter how it was promoted way back then, what matters is the estate views it as canon, and not some bastard outtake collection like so many of us have viewed it since it was released.

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Reply #537 posted 06/25/20 12:54pm

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the Amazon listing for the 8CD set sat "Number of Discs: 8" no mention of a DVD?

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Reply #538 posted 06/25/20 12:58pm

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KlyphIsBackAgain said:

DenDen said:

Still not quite sure what to believe about packaging size for SDE on CD.

Folks are saying it is definitely 12 x 12 box for CDs but official site shows packaging as CD sized (compared to LP size which shows DVD in frame.

https://store.prince.com/...vd?cp=null

Hoping it's the later. Seems silly not to make it compatible to 1999 size/packaging since 75% or more of the folks shelling out the bucks for this release are the same that payed through the nose for that one. Why not keep the packaging consistent? Some of us are a wee bit crazy that way.

Because alot of folks were complaining that they couldn't get the full-sized book w/ the CD version of 1999 SD and Originals.

Yeah, whyyyyyy would one want a smaller book if one can get the full-size version with the CDs, too?

Hey loudmouth, shut the fuck up, right?
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Reply #539 posted 06/25/20 1:00pm

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

the Amazon listing for the 8CD set sat "Number of Discs: 8" no mention of a DVD?

you are right. and the track list is gone

probably an error. i hope

[Edited 6/25/20 13:00pm]

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