On the "official" Prince YouTube channel they have the complete Deliverance EP.

This is definitely worhty of discussion.

Let's discuss how and why it's there?

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Not appearing on the Prince official channel for me

andrewm7 said:

Not appearing on the Prince official channel for me

I was on YouTube I put in Prince Deliverance and it took me to the Prince channel. Try that? I double checked that it was in fact the offical channel.

BTW, it IS on the official channel BUT it says provided to YouTube by Ditto Music. But, again, it's the official channel and it's been up since April 25th according to the info on there!!

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When I do that , I definately do not get the official Prince Channel.

andrewm7 said:

When I do that , I definately do not get the official Prince Channel.

On my screen the second choice is the official Prince channel. There are choices.

andrewm7 said:

When I do that , I definately do not get the official Prince Channel

https://www.youtube.com/w...DmlzPCQKos

TrivialPursuit said:

andrewm7 said:

When I do that , I definately do not get the official Prince Channel

https://www.youtube.com/w...DmlzPCQKos

Dat be it!

SantanaMaitreya said:

When I click the link, it says unavailable.

Maybe it's a country thing.

For the hundredth time: ALGORITHMS ARE STOOPID. These things are automated. We've had hundreds of threads on "why is bootleg X appearign on the official channel at service Y?" and the answer is the same each goddamn time: because computers are stoopid and do not "know" things.

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These channels are not maintained by hand. You submit things and with any luck you can fool them until someone reports something or someone wisens up. These services are apparently working with garbage code bases, because it would be piss-easy to avoid such mistakes (e.g. consider the "Prince channel" a premium customer where not just every dumbass can add shit to and implement an approval process).

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How anyone can live in 2020 and not figure out that YT is only looking out for YT and most of the time does not give a shit about any of its users? Hence their recommendation algorithms often leading people into the most offensive rightwing conspiracy bullshit. Hence them leading children to wildly inappropriate videos that are blatantly generated by automation.

I don't think you've made that much clearer Bart, to be honest. If you're saying this is some sort of bug or exploit in the site software, it seems reasonable that users would be confused about it.

Not everyone works in software engineering, not everyone even knows what is meant by "algorithm" in this case, or perhaps they've heard that term refer primarily to the way Youtube promotes popular videos or draws content to your attention based on your viewing history and so on. I don't think it has been made crystal clear yet the process by which random people upload content which the site then attributes to another channel; it's pretty idiosyncratic.

BartVanHemelen said:

For the hundredth time: ALGORITHMS ARE STOOPID. These things are automated. We've had hundreds of threads on "why is bootleg X appearign on the official channel at service Y?" and the answer is the same each goddamn time: because computers are stoopid and do not "know" things.

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These channels are not maintained by hand. You submit things and with any luck you can fool them until someone reports something or someone wisens up. These services are apparently working with garbage code bases, because it would be piss-easy to avoid such mistakes (e.g. consider the "Prince channel" a premium customer where not just every dumbass can add shit to and implement an approval process).

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How anyone can live in 2020 and not figure out that YT is only looking out for YT and most of the time does not give a shit about any of its users? Hence their recommendation algorithms often leading people into the most offensive rightwing conspiracy bullshit. Hence them leading children to wildly inappropriate videos that are blatantly generated by automation.

That's a lot of emotion for "it's an algorithm."

ian said:

I don't think you've made that much clearer Bart, to be honest. If you're saying this is some sort of bug or exploit in the site software, it seems reasonable that users would be confused about it.

Not everyone works in software engineering, not everyone even knows what is meant by "algorithm" in this case, or perhaps they've heard that term refer primarily to the way Youtube promotes popular videos or draws content to your attention based on your viewing history and so on. I don't think it has been made crystal clear yet the process by which random people upload content which the site then attributes to another channel; it's pretty idiosyncratic.

You don't have to be a software engineer to understand youtube's stupid algorithms. Really.

And Bart is right, we had several topics here before about bootlegs on the official prince channel. It's not a new phenomenon.

This is too funny a pretentious haiku

Searched deliverance

On Prince's YouTube Channel

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LoveGalore said:

That's a lot of emotion for "it's an algorithm."

onlyforaminute said:

Complete? At 3:56?

The whole thing is on there and what got me to notice it is when I went on YouTube Music and went on "official" Prince albums the "Deliverance" EP was like the third or fourth choice; extremely prominent for anyone who simply was looking for Prince albums.

BartVanHemelen said:

For the hundredth time: ALGORITHMS ARE STOOPID. These things are automated. We've had hundreds of threads on "why is bootleg X appearign on the official channel at service Y?" and the answer is the same each goddamn time: because computers are stoopid and do not "know" things.

.

These channels are not maintained by hand. You submit things and with any luck you can fool them until someone reports something or someone wisens up. These services are apparently working with garbage code bases, because it would be piss-easy to avoid such mistakes (e.g. consider the "Prince channel" a premium customer where not just every dumbass can add shit to and implement an approval process).

.

How anyone can live in 2020 and not figure out that YT is only looking out for YT and most of the time does not give a shit about any of its users? Hence their recommendation algorithms often leading people into the most offensive rightwing conspiracy bullshit. Hence them leading children to wildly inappropriate videos that are blatantly generated by automation.

Well his people must not check things at all!

The reason I found it is because I was on YouTube Music looking at Prince albums and it was the third or fouth choice; extremely prominent. So prominent it's hard to believe that since April not one person in the Prince camp noticed this.

Algorithms. Excellent.

Yes, I saw that it's the way you said it was--I can search and the Deliverance songs seems to be identified as being from the official channel. However, since I can't get to those same videos by going to the channel first and then looking at the uploaded videos, I got to assume that those people pointing to an "algorithm" as the reason are probably right. The Estate's not pulling some sort of stealth release of these tracks. Or at least, I don't think so. So there's not much to talk about.

BartVanHemelen said:

For the hundredth time: ALGORITHMS ARE STOOPID.

Videos with Prince as the uploader look like they were created by the Estates personal account created to promote music. The same one they release stuff officially over.

At the very least, the Estate should be monitoring what gets up on there then but I've never heard of a Youtube channel that catches peripheral clips to the point where sizeable amounts of content aren't created or uploaded by the credited account holder.

Even if you're saying this is like a generic Youtube channel they're maintaining like the way Sirius has a Prince channel, and there isn't an official Prince account being managed by a social media person, I've still never seen this problem on any other account.

You go to the Prince page, sort by videos the Estate has carefully curated, and Deliverance is not on there. You go to playlists, and there's no playlist it would be added to. You go to channels, and there's a few select channels, all of which are for other artists or 3rdEye. You search Deliverance and people are finding listings that appear like Prince account uploaded it.

I can see why it was not released for sale because the songs are easily forgettable. The song "I Am" sounds like it could easily fit on PlectrumElectrum.

ludwig said:

ian said:

I don't think you've made that much clearer Bart, to be honest. If you're saying this is some sort of bug or exploit in the site software, it seems reasonable that users would be confused about it.

Not everyone works in software engineering, not everyone even knows what is meant by "algorithm" in this case, or perhaps they've heard that term refer primarily to the way Youtube promotes popular videos or draws content to your attention based on your viewing history and so on. I don't think it has been made crystal clear yet the process by which random people upload content which the site then attributes to another channel; it's pretty idiosyncratic.

You don't have to be a software engineer to understand youtube's stupid algorithms. Really.

And Bart is right, we had several topics here before about bootlegs on the official prince channel. It's not a new phenomenon.

Fair enough - if that's the case, why not just link to that earlier thread where the question was answered comprehensively? Then we can all move on with our lives

Honestly, just repeating "stupid algorithm" doesn't help to enlighten anyone on here. That's not an answer.

ian said:

ludwig said:

You don't have to be a software engineer to understand youtube's stupid algorithms. Really.

And Bart is right, we had several topics here before about bootlegs on the official prince channel. It's not a new phenomenon.

Fair enough - if that's the case, why not just link to that earlier thread where the question was answered comprehensively? Then we can all move on with our lives

Honestly, just repeating "stupid algorithm" doesn't help to enlighten anyone on here. That's not an answer.

Some people here get a free pass for being an asshole if they're "informative" enough

mbdtyler said:

ian said:

Fair enough - if that's the case, why not just link to that earlier thread where the question was answered comprehensively? Then we can all move on with our lives

Honestly, just repeating "stupid algorithm" doesn't help to enlighten anyone on here. That's not an answer.

Some people here get a free pass for being an asshole if they're "informative" enough

Bingo.

mbdtyler said:

ian said:

Fair enough - if that's the case, why not just link to that earlier thread where the question was answered comprehensively? Then we can all move on with our lives

Honestly, just repeating "stupid algorithm" doesn't help to enlighten anyone on here. That's not an answer.

Some people here get a free pass for being an asshole if they're "informative" enough

Or, some people just need to learn to unclinch and not be so super sensitive.

sro100 said:

onlyforaminute said:

Complete? At 3:56?

The whole thing is on there....

It's not on Prince's YouTube channel.

TheBigBang said:

mbdtyler said:

Some people here get a free pass for being an asshole if they're "informative" enough

Or, some people just need to learn to unclinch and not be so super sensitive.

Conversely, some people here could afford to be more sensitive and patient in dealing with people. If providing info is such a burden that one loses the will to be kind to newcomers, they should step away from the site and take a breather for their own sake. It's real easy to be a dick on the internet (and I'm definitely guilty of it myself) but we've gotta make an effort to be better.

it is interesting that it seems to vary from country to country does anyone know if the estate get the mechanical royalties for Deliverance when someone plays it on YouTube music ?

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not available in Belgium.

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Vannormal said: