SquirrelMeat said:

love2thenines2003 said:

UTRECHT 20 JUNE will Be the 2 cd live

PAISLEY PARK 31 DECEMBER PERFORMANCE will B the DVD on SPDL SOTT

I could never take....demo....will be the 79 Demo of the song & much more surprises to come !!

thanx 2 schkopi forum to providing 1st infos.....the french are the 1st my friend

http://www.schkopi.com/in...er-deluxe/

We need to be careful. The author admits that the guess work for the live show stems from fan speculation and he fails to realise that the same set list at Utrect 20th was used in Paris show on the 15th and Utrect show on the 22nd.

The wording for the DVD seems vague too. It doesn't suggest its nailed on, but it might be lost in translation.

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I agree.

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The fact that the tracklisting on the schkopi site has the same gaps we do heavily suggests that they have no additional information than we all do (i.e. Quest's leak).

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massing said:

My guess is the missing words are "re-recorded", "Wally" and "Susan Rogers".

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SquirrelMeat said:

love2thenines2003 said:

UTRECHT 20 JUNE will Be the 2 cd live

PAISLEY PARK 31 DECEMBER PERFORMANCE will B the DVD on SPDL SOTT

I could never take....demo....will be the 79 Demo of the song & much more surprises to come !!

thanx 2 schkopi forum to providing 1st infos.....the french are the 1st my friend

http://www.schkopi.com/in...er-deluxe/

We need to be careful. The author admits that the guess work for the live show stems from fan speculation and he fails to realise that the same set list at Utrect 20th was used in Paris show on the 15th and Utrect show on the 22nd.

The wording for the DVD seems vague too. It doesn't suggest its nailed on, but it might be lost in translation.

The track timings from Utrecht 20th are more in line with the ones leaked from Questlove, than the shows from Paris 15th and Utrecht 22nd (legth of Housequake, for example). That said, there are a few SOTT shows for which we do not know the tracklist, so the show might be as well one of those. It's all just speculation at the moment.

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Utrecht and the 1987 new year's show...

four cd's left?

2 for the album

1 for the b-sides

1 for teh outtakes?

geetee71 said:

udo said:

Utrecht and the 1987 new year's show...

four cd's left?

2 for the album

1 for the b-sides

1 for teh outtakes?

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It's 8 CDs + DVD, so would seem to be:

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CD 1-2: Original Album

CD 3: Edits / Remixes / B-sides

CD 4-6: Vault tracks

CD 7-8: Live Concert (Audio)

DVD 1: Live Concert (Video)

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Marco81 said:

SquirrelMeat said:

We need to be careful. The author admits that the guess work for the live show stems from fan speculation and he fails to realise that the same set list at Utrect 20th was used in Paris show on the 15th and Utrect show on the 22nd.

The wording for the DVD seems vague too. It doesn't suggest its nailed on, but it might be lost in translation.

The track timings from Utrecht 20th are more in line with the ones leaked from Questlove, than the shows from Paris 15th and Utrecht 22nd (legth of Housequake, for example). That said, there are a few SOTT shows for which we do not know the tracklist, so the show might be as well one of those. It's all just speculation at the moment.

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A-ha! I hadn't cross referenced it with the exact times.

I'd be really happy with Utrect 20th, as I attended and it was also the first time I met Prince in person.

I'm just a little suprised that a show that took place outdoors in cold rain made for the best audio capture. It certainly didn't come accross to me as one of his best performances of the tour. I thought his performance on the 19th was better.

Maybe they are limited by the quality remaining on tape.

jstar69 said:

geetee71 said:

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I agree.

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The fact that the tracklisting on the schkopi site has the same gaps we do heavily suggests that they have no additional information than we all do (i.e. Quest's leak).

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I wonder why those particular tracks are withheld/redacted from the unconfirmed circulating lists. I wonder if they’re contentious tracks due to content? Or is the estate just trying to be mysterious, or are they Simply not yet determined. Looking at the Track timings on vault CD 2 & 3. Vault CD 1 - all tracks listed checking in at approx 71 mins Vault CD 2 - roughly 19mins left to cater for the 3 unlisted tracks Vault CD 3 - roughly 39mins for the 7 unlisted tracks. Cmon estate - put us all out of our misery and confirm.

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I've been wondering this too.

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(1) It could be that they're just random - that Quest was just skipping through tracks with no plan and these were the ones he just happened not to reveal.

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(2) It might also be that it was planned and that Quest/The Estate* have purposefully withheld the juciest 10 from the list. However, the fact that 'Rebirth Of The Flesh' is missing and would seem to be a no-brainer for inclusion leads me to think it's more likely option 1.

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* I have no evidence that Quest's leak was co-ordinated with The Estate but I also think he'd be crazy to burn his bridges with them. I suspect it may have been a sanctioned 'leak' to get the fans frothy whilst not being an official announcement that could have been deemed insensitive at the current time.

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geetee71 said:

udo said:

Utrecht and the 1987 new year's show...

four cd's left?

2 for the album

1 for the b-sides

1 for teh outtakes?

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It's 8 CDs + DVD, so would seem to be:

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CD 1-2: Original Album

CD 3: Edits / Remixes / B-sides

CD 4-6: Vault tracks

CD 7-8: Live Concert (Audio)

DVD 1: Live Concert (Video)

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Thanks, that makes more sense.

VaultCurator said:

Just to be clear, I have never once claimed to have exclusive information on this project, because I don't. All I've done is try and share the same information that we see circulating.

It often seems that some folks think of "insider" as being some sort of binary term. Either someone is an insider or they are not in the loop. That's never been the case for someone like me. The only real insiders never speak, never share what they know, and never even hint that they might know something in a public space.

That doesn't happen, because they would burn bridges. They are content to know things and for other people to not know those things.

For me? The entire value of knowing something comes from sharing it and starting a discussion. It's the discussion that I enjoy! If it was just about me knowing something, I'd never say shit.

When I leaked the PR Deluxe tracklist, Warners were upset and tried to cease-and-desist. So that's a bridge burned. To this day I have no direct relationship with anyone at WB.

When I was the first to confirm the existence of 1999 Deluxe, some 18 months before it finally came out, that landed in my lap by chance. I was in LA, and an industry friend had been at a small event with some WB folks and Mike Howe, and it was said in a private conversation which my friend then relayed to me. I sat on it for ages because I didn't want to risk someone else's relationship.

When I confirmed P/Mic '83, that was through one tip from someone here who had managed to confirm the name of one particular song, and some interstitial information, which after some cross reference meant that the 1983 rehearsal tape was the only possible thing it could be. Unfortunately, for reasons I am not clear on, that person has taken a shot at me since then, which is disappointing, as I considered that person a friend and had a lot of respect for them. Not sure what I did to piss them off, but nobody likes to lose a friend.

With some of the finer points closer to the 1999 Deluxe release, I received conflicting info and had to make a judgement call. Can't win them all - but I do believe that Extra and Lust were remastered and were pulled at the last minute and replaced with the tour sampler.

Last year, we had some nice opportunities - it was Sony that reached out to offer us the exclusive unboxings of Emancipation/Chaos/Versace. I didn't request it. I don't prod them to keep doing it. That's up to them, and I'm certainly not entitled enough to expect it. If they felt that the coverage we did didn't move the needle on sales/hype/promotion, then that's a business call. It might yet turn out that the ONA set doesn't perform as well as Emancipation etc, and they'll reach out again to us and other fans to do something. Likewise, it was Penguin UK that reached out to offer us the exclusive on the book.

Between these things and the interviews we've done, there's this perception of there being some kind of close loop between various stakeholders. That's really not the case. It's more like a bunch of disparate threads, and the best thing you can really do is try and find out snippets from as many places as possible and try and tie things together. Sometimes people might say something to me before or after an interview that directly connects with something I've picked up somewhere else, so you have to try and join the dots where you can.

I understand there are people here that don't appreciate my methods or seem to have some kind of personal issue with the things I've shared or the tone or anything like that, and that's fine. I don't lose any sleep over it. But at the same time, the effort/value paradigm is obviously off if I'm tried very hard to locate information to share (whether it ends up being correct or not) and then I just get shade thrown over it. I don't have to do anything, and like I said, if it was about me and me wanting to know stuff, then I wouldn't share anything at all.

Ultimately I'll probably take a step back and not spend so much time digging. I have a couple of bits of info that aren't out there yet, because I haven't been able to connect them together in a way that feels worth sharing (it's about some songs that have been registered by the estate recently, but not clear on what connects them or if there's anything to indicate release) but after that, unless something lands in my lap, I'm not sure if it's worth continuing to hunt down info.

As a side note, I very much do not believe that Questlove shared what he shared by accident. Take it as guerilla marketing, and by the amount of conversation happening, it obviously worked! Whether those songs are truly representative, or some were just to throw off the trail is something we won't know until there's an announcement.

Peace!

Militant said:

I keep seeing new tracklist graphics and every time my heart skips a beat because i think it's finally in full but really they're all incomplete.

lustmealways said:

VaultCurator said:

BlueShakooo said:

Hope "All My Dreams" is the orchestra version. Then it would make sense to get the naked version on Parade Deluxe.

Theorically it should be the other way around cos the orchestral mix was for Parade but AFAIK DF had the barebone mix.

VaultCurator said:

Just an observation. Notice how everything in the Vault section is in chronological order up until A Place In Heaven (Lisa vocal), and presumably Prince wouldn't have done any further work on Wonderful Day by '87. Also note how the songs in Vault section do not repeat until Big Tall Wall #2 close to the end. Could it be that the last vinyl / second half of the last vault CD has been reserved for alternate versions, to make the listening experience flow better? If this is true there is still hope for the full Dream Factory version of Crystal Ball.

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I think Big Tall Wall #2 is where it should be - re-recorded 11 JUL '87 - but i agree, #72 onwards looks a bit like an odds'n'sods collection.

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Based on the chronology, and not allowing for any left-field surprises I'm wondering if these might fill the gaps:

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#57 13 SEP '87 Crucial

#58 14 SEP '86 Coco Boys

#59 28 SEP '86 Baby Doll House

#60 06 OCT '86 Witness 4 The Prosecution (Version #2)

#61 ?? ??? '86 It Be's Like That See <-- title sounds like a post-Revolution breakup reflection which happened 07 OCT '86

#62 16 OCT '86 Emotional Pump

#63 28 OCT '86 Rebirth Of The Flesh

#64 15 NOV '86 Cosmic Day

#65 21 DEC '86 U Got The Look (Original Version w/ Banjos?!)

#66 26 DEC '86 Pony Ride

#67 28 DEC '87 Wally

#68 EARLY '87 Promise To Be True

#69 EARLY '87 Jealous Girl

#70 EARLY '87 There's Something I Like About Being Your Fool

#71 11 JUL '87 Big Tall Wall #2

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#72 A Place In Heaven (Lisa Vocal)

#73 Wonderful Day (12" Mix)

#74 La, La, La, He, He, Hee (Original Version) <-- not convinced about this one: maybe a remix we don't know about?

#75 The Ballad Of Dorothy Parker (Extended Version)

#76 Strange Relationship (1987 Shep Pettibone Remix) <-- as per FrankieCoco1's suggestion yesterday

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Trying to apply a bit of logic to guess the 10 missing tracks....

1. Its clear that the vault tracks are chonological, with exception of a couple of the older songs which may be based around overdub dates.

2. Based on the naming conventions, then 2 of the 10 tracks are nailed on as - Witness 4 The Procecution #2, and Jealous Girl #1.

3. Either side of the two final missing tracks are remixes, done right before the final album release. It would to a good guess that those two missing tracks are also mixes. Those could be 2 of the following 4? Ballad Of DP (12"Version), U Got The Look (Alt Version), Housequake (Razormaid) or ICNTTPOYM (Shep Pettibone Remix).

4. Chronologically, the most important track (at least for project completing), Rebirth Of The Flesh, would land just after Emotional Pump. In the five slots that remain after Emotional Pump, they would come from either Rebirth, Yo Mister, Cosmic Day, Adore (Until The end of Time), Walkin' In Glory, U Got The Look (Original), Pony Ride, Wally or 101. However, as metioned in point one, they will also be fighing for space with Witness#1. Some people will be disappointed here.

5. In the three remaining slots after Crucial, there are a variety of options, but the notable ommisions are the other two film project tracks recorded at the same time, Coco Boys and When The Dawn of The Morning Comes. Both were clear to see on the the vault photographs as well. Jealous Girl #1 might fill the remainder.

Of course, its all guess work, but based on what I see, the only obvious ommision for those looking to complete the DF, Camille and CB projects is the DF version of ICNTTPOYM. That is, if my guess is correct and that 'Colors' is what we know as 'Interlude/Wendy' - Both running at exactly 1:01.

This could be, and probably is completely wrong!

If this is true then what's known in The Vault is pretty comprehensive...

[Edited 6/11/20 10:14am]

geetee71 said:

VaultCurator said:

Just an observation. Notice how everything in the Vault section is in chronological order up until A Place In Heaven (Lisa vocal), and presumably Prince wouldn't have done any further work on Wonderful Day by '87. Also note how the songs in Vault section do not repeat until Big Tall Wall #2 close to the end. Could it be that the last vinyl / second half of the last vault CD has been reserved for alternate versions, to make the listening experience flow better? If this is true there is still hope for the full Dream Factory version of Crystal Ball.

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I think Big Tall Wall #2 is where it should be - re-recorded 11 JUL '87 - but i agree, #72 onwards looks a bit like an odds'n'sods collection.

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Based on the chronology, and not allowing for any left-field surprises I'm wondering if these might fill the gaps:

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#57 13 SEP '87 Crucial

#58 14 SEP '86 Coco Boys

#59 28 SEP '86 Baby Doll House

#60 06 OCT '86 Witness 4 The Prosecution (Version #2)

#61 ?? ??? '86 It Be's Like That See <-- title sounds like a post-Revolution breakup reflection which happened 07 OCT '86

#62 16 OCT '86 Emotional Pump

#63 28 OCT '86 Rebirth Of The Flesh

#64 15 NOV '86 Cosmic Day

#65 21 DEC '86 U Got The Look (Original Version w/ Banjos?!)

#66 26 DEC '86 Pony Ride

#67 28 DEC '87 Wally

#68 EARLY '87 Promise To Be True

#69 EARLY '87 Jealous Girl

#70 EARLY '87 There's Something I Like About Being Your Fool

#71 11 JUL '87 Big Tall Wall #2

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#72 A Place In Heaven (Lisa Vocal)

#73 Wonderful Day (12" Mix)

#74 La, La, La, He, He, Hee (Original Version) <-- not convinced about this one: maybe a remix we don't know about?

#75 The Ballad Of Dorothy Parker (Extended Version)

#76 Strange Relationship (1987 Shep Pettibone Remix) <-- as per FrankieCoco1's suggestion yesterday

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Good list. My guess will be:

#57 Crucial

#58 Coco Boys

#59 When The Dawn Of The Morning Comes

#60 Witness 4 The Prosecution #2

#61 It Be's Like That Sometimes

#62 Emotional Pump

#63 Rebirth Of The Flesh

#64 Cosmic Day

#65 Jealous Girl #1

#66 Walkin' In Glory

#67 Wally

#68 Promise To Be True

#69 Jealous Girl #2

#70 There's Something I Like About Being Your Fool

#71 Big Tall Wall #2

#72 A Place In Heaven (Lisa Vocal)

#73 Wonderful Day (12" Mix)

#74 The Ballad Of Dorothy Parker (Extended Version)

#75 I Could Never Take The Place Of Your Man (Shep Pettibone Remix)

#76 Strange Relationship (Shep Pettibone Remix)

SquirrelMeat said:

geetee71 said:

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I think Big Tall Wall #2 is where it should be - re-recorded 11 JUL '87 - but i agree, #72 onwards looks a bit like an odds'n'sods collection.

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Based on the chronology, and not allowing for any left-field surprises I'm wondering if these might fill the gaps:

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#57 13 SEP '87 Crucial

#58 14 SEP '86 Coco Boys

#59 28 SEP '86 Baby Doll House

#60 06 OCT '86 Witness 4 The Prosecution (Version #2)

#61 ?? ??? '86 It Be's Like That See <-- title sounds like a post-Revolution breakup reflection which happened 07 OCT '86

#62 16 OCT '86 Emotional Pump

#63 28 OCT '86 Rebirth Of The Flesh

#64 15 NOV '86 Cosmic Day

#65 21 DEC '86 U Got The Look (Original Version w/ Banjos?!)

#66 26 DEC '86 Pony Ride

#67 28 DEC '87 Wally

#68 EARLY '87 Promise To Be True

#69 EARLY '87 Jealous Girl

#70 EARLY '87 There's Something I Like About Being Your Fool

#71 11 JUL '87 Big Tall Wall #2

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#72 A Place In Heaven (Lisa Vocal)

#73 Wonderful Day (12" Mix)

#74 La, La, La, He, He, Hee (Original Version) <-- not convinced about this one: maybe a remix we don't know about?

#75 The Ballad Of Dorothy Parker (Extended Version)

#76 Strange Relationship (1987 Shep Pettibone Remix) <-- as per FrankieCoco1's suggestion yesterday

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Good list. My guess will be:

#57 Crucial

#58 Coco Boys

#59 When The Dawn Of The Morning Comes

#60 Witness 4 The Prosecution #2

#61 It Be's Like That Sometimes

#62 Emotional Pump

#63 Rebirth Of The Flesh

#64 Cosmic Day

#65 Jealous Girl #1

#66 Walkin' In Glory

#67 Wally

#68 Promise To Be True

#69 Jealous Girl #2

#70 There's Something I Like About Being Your Fool

#71 Big Tall Wall #2

#72 A Place In Heaven (Lisa Vocal)

#73 Wonderful Day (12" Mix)

#74 The Ballad Of Dorothy Parker (Extended Version)

#75 I Could Never Take The Place Of Your Man (Shep Pettibone Remix)

#76 Strange Relationship (Shep Pettibone Remix)

Very good list SquirrelMeat, except for #65...

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So pumped for this.

Looks like they have the whole of Dream Factory in there. Would have been niced if they tracked with one of the known proposed track lists.

So what goes in Parade reissue?

Old Friends for Sale and....?

The leaked information, and the incredible guess work by all you people who know so so much more than I'll ever learn, has been a blessing. the world is having a nervous breakdown, and my hopes for this project are giving me something to look forward to. Thanks to all leakers, eagle eyed guessers, and armchair prognosticators alike.

LRC69 said:

SquirrelMeat said:

Good list. My guess will be:

#57 Crucial

#58 Coco Boys

#59 When The Dawn Of The Morning Comes

#60 Witness 4 The Prosecution #2

#61 It Be's Like That Sometimes

#62 Emotional Pump

#63 Rebirth Of The Flesh

#64 Cosmic Day

#65 Jealous Girl #1

#66 Walkin' In Glory

#67 Wally

#68 Promise To Be True

#69 Jealous Girl #2

#70 There's Something I Like About Being Your Fool

#71 Big Tall Wall #2

#72 A Place In Heaven (Lisa Vocal)

#73 Wonderful Day (12" Mix)

#74 The Ballad Of Dorothy Parker (Extended Version)

#75 I Could Never Take The Place Of Your Man (Shep Pettibone Remix)

#76 Strange Relationship (Shep Pettibone Remix)

Very good list SquirrelMeat, except for #65...

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I know what you mean, but based on the naming conventions, it would have to be in there somewhere. I'm guessing #1 is a very MPLS sounding version, and #2 is a studio blues take.

SquirrelMeat said:

LRC69 said:

Very good list SquirrelMeat, except for #65...

[Edited 6/11/20 10:36am]

I know what you mean, but based on the naming conventions, it would have to be in there somewhere. I'm guessing #1 is a very MPLS sounding version, and #2 is a studio blues take.

No, no, no... It's another track ! A totally different track !

You'll find it !

emesem said:

So pumped for this.

Looks like they have the whole of Dream Factory in there. Would have been niced if they tracked with one of the known proposed track lists.

So what goes in Parade reissue?

Old Friends for Sale and....?

Lots left to go in PARADE including the Clare Fischer versions of tracks that were recorded for the album but not used and lots of unreleased vault material including:

Wendy's Parade

Evolsidog

Call of The Wild

Go

God Is Everywhere

Heaven

Palomino Pleasure Ride

Others Here With Us

Polka-Dot Tiger

She-Pony

Stella and Charles

Tibet

(U Got The) Good Drawers

Zebra With The Blonde Hair

Love or $ (alternative and extended versions)

Kiss (Unreleased xtended version)

Not to mention The Flesh instrumentals and a certainly a live disc and DVD of The Parade Tour.