udo said:

getwild180 said:

Could someone translate this. It's supposed to have the whole tracklist except this article is in French. https://calhounsquare.fan...luxe?renew I don't know if anyone has seen this and I don't know if this is true or not.

It basically says what everypne has been doing on this thread anyway...and that is, guessing what COULD be on the set. It isn't a track list at all. It's more of a wish list/what-Ifs...

getwild180 said:

Could someone translate this. It's supposed to have the whole tracklist except this article is in French. https://calhounsquare.fan...luxe?renew I don't know if anyone has seen this and I don't know if this is true or not.

nope....nothing more that what we know so far....just a compilation of the Info already available + some guesses & thoughts !!

We'll never settle the 'era' Vs 'Chronolocially recorded' arguement because Prince recordings Vs releases were never linear. He switched and double dipped material his entire career. More often than not, he recorded a song and then considered it for project, rather than record in a single 'project' session.

There are plenty of songs that cause 'era' problems. Hello was recorded a month after the release of ATWIAD, and a month AFTER Kiss and All My Dreams were recorded. It wasn't used as an ATWIAD B-side because he considered it an ATWIAD track, it was used because it was the quickest available platform to him to say what he wanted to say.

If you believe in chronological session releases, Hello is a post ATWIAD track that should be on Parade SDE.

If you believe in 'era/project' based releases, then Hello fits nicely on an ATWIAD SDE and All My Dreams can be argued for both Parade and SOTT due to the abandonment of Dream Factory between the two. Its just one song that was considered for multiple projects.

Personally, unless The Estate are going to give us complete unreleased projects as stand alone releases, then the SOTT SDE should include the unreleased tracks that made up the three completed but abandoned albums that were planned post Parade but before SOTT.

Maybe we will get two different versions of All My Dreams across the Parade and SOTT SDE. Maybe a Parade SDE version will maintain the orginal segue from OF4S.

One thing I'd bet. If the official SOTT SDE was announced to contain a double CD of the complete unreleased 'Dream Factory' album, fans wouldn't be complaining about the inclusion of All My Dreams, but by the repeated use of some previously released material.

The only way the estate could clean up the catalogue would be to re-release offical album remasters (with relevant released 7"/12"/B-sides) and keep all unreleased music for seperate chronologically releases. Purists might like that, but the estate would suffer a considerable sales reduction from not being able to ride the marketing and exposure tailcoats of a major album re-release with bonus disc cost bumps.

On thing that no one seems to be thinking about: LINER NOTES.

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I'm all excited that there will probably be gobs of great tunes on the CDs, but this being a Super Deluxe Edition, I also hope there are great liner notes.

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Track by track breakdowns, maybe a (very abbreviated) history of the recording of everything. Some cool photos. I'm lukewarm on fan essays... I'd rather have someone who was involved with the album and/or Prince himself give us their perspective and recollections.

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Seriously, this set could use an actual book instead of a booklet.

GiggityGoo said:

SantanaMaitreya said:

SquirrelMeat said:

We'll never settle the 'era' Vs 'Chronolocially recorded' arguement because Prince recordings Vs releases were never linear. He switched and double dipped material his entire career. More often than not, he recorded a song and then considered it for project, rather than record in a single 'project' session.

There are plenty of songs that cause 'era' problems. Hello was recorded a month after the release of ATWIAD, and a month AFTER Kiss and All My Dreams were recorded. It wasn't used as an ATWIAD B-side because he considered it an ATWIAD track, it was used because it was the quickest available platform to him to say what he wanted to say.

If you believe in chronological session releases, Hello is a post ATWIAD track that should be on Parade SDE.

If you believe in 'era/project' based releases, then Hello fits nicely on an ATWIAD SDE and All My Dreams can be argued for both Parade and SOTT due to the abandonment of Dream Factory between the two. Its just one song that was considered for multiple projects.

Personally, unless The Estate are going to give us complete unreleased projects as stand alone releases, then the SOTT SDE should include the unreleased tracks that made up the three completed but abandoned albums that were planned post Parade but before SOTT.

Maybe we will get two different versions of All My Dreams across the Parade and SOTT SDE. Maybe a Parade SDE version will maintain the orginal segue from OF4S.

One thing I'd bet. If the official SOTT SDE was announced to contain a double CD of the complete unreleased 'Dream Factory' album, fans wouldn't be complaining about the inclusion of All My Dreams, but by the repeated use of some previously released material.

The only way the estate could clean up the catalogue would be to re-release offical album remasters (with relevant released 7"/12"/B-sides) and keep all unreleased music for seperate chronologically releases. Purists might like that, but the estate would suffer a considerable sales reduction from not being able to ride the marketing and exposure tailcoats of a major album re-release with bonus disc cost bumps.

Agree with your reasoning.

Funny option is, if I'm to believe the info I have from traders, AMD on DF didn't have an orchestral arrangement, while one was made by Clare Fischer at the time of Parade. Did Prince like this arrangement or ever considered releasing it on Parade before he took the song off the tracklist, IDK, but if this whole SOTT thing is true and if there is ever a Parade Deluxe, a simple thing would be to release the version without orchestra on SOTT and the orchestral version on Parade. Problem solved

SantanaMaitreya said:

The estate giving us unreleased projects as stand alone releases... Yes! That would be the best thing! Stop releasing the outtakes as part of a deluxe album, not only because it's expensive, not only because all outtakes can't be tied to a particular album, not only because it forces us to buy something we already own to get something we don't already own, but also because we know that Prince's lesser known albums are never going to get the Deluxe treatment. There will never be a Chaos and Disorder Deluxe because that album didn't sell back then, so it won't sell now. So what about all the music that's in the Vault from the 1990s and 2000s? Are we ever going to get that? Stop these stupid Deluxe albums and just start a Prince: From the Vault series that has CDs or LPs or downloads or streams of the outtakes, otherwise that stuff will never come out.

Which is probably the reason why C&D was rereleased on CD and LP last year.

SantanaMaitreya said:

udo said:

Cinny said:

I knew that was right. I just now assume whatever isn't on SOTT Deluxe will be on Parade's.

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The whole vault minus 1999 and SOTT will be on the Parade set?!?!

Where can I preorder?!?!

LoveGalore said:

muleFunk said:

LoveGalore said:

We've known for a long time why SOTT SDE is coming now vs Parade SDE (which is next). No song inclusions here will stop that train.

Forgive my ignorance, why? I heard 3 years ago that 1999 Deluxe and a Parade Deluxe Edition were finished.

Hi Mulefunk,

Warner Bros will be losing the rights to publish most of Prince’s back catalogue this year, making the SOTT set more urgent. They retain the rights to the albums that were used as soundtracks for Warner Bros movies (including Parade), hence they can afford to hang onto it and release it later on.

SquirrelMeat said:

We'll never settle the 'era' Vs 'Chronolocially recorded' arguement because Prince recordings Vs releases were never linear.

Maybe we will get two different versions of All My Dreams across the Parade and SOTT SDE. Maybe a Parade SDE version will maintain the orginal segue from OF4S.

On point. I do remember us all going over the "era" vs "chronological" argument very recently. It's a bit like Prince took 2 steps forward, and 1 back with the cross-pollination and/or pulling old-to-make-new moments.

I'm glad you brought up OF4S/AMD. I remember T, back in the a.m.p. days, mention that they segued one into the other. It was so odd to me having just heard the songs randomly over the years. I sincerely hope if/when that's released, the original blend from one to the other is left intact. Otherwise, it'd be a weird fade at the end of OF4S and a weird fade in on AMD. They seem like such random songs to segue together, but it is what it is, and it should be kept that way.

If they put those outtakes on a second disk, they could easily put them in that order of the earlier Parade configuration. Little Girl Wendy's Parade, New Position (with those Clare strings), I Wonder U... etc etc.

VaultCurator said:

love2thenines2003 said:

Am I the only one who thinks the 3:12 I Could Never Take The Place Of Your Man should be on Disc 3, unless it's the video version or a "promo edit"?

TrivialPursuit said:

SquirrelMeat said:

We'll never settle the 'era' Vs 'Chronolocially recorded' arguement because Prince recordings Vs releases were never linear.

Maybe we will get two different versions of All My Dreams across the Parade and SOTT SDE. Maybe a Parade SDE version will maintain the orginal segue from OF4S.

On point. I do remember us all going over the "era" vs "chronological" argument very recently. It's a bit like Prince took 2 steps forward, and 1 back with the cross-pollination and/or pulling old-to-make-new moments.

I'm glad you brought up OF4S/AMD. I remember T, back in the a.m.p. days, mention that they segued one into the other. It was so odd to me having just heard the songs randomly over the years. I sincerely hope if/when that's released, the original blend from one to the other is left intact. Otherwise, it'd be a weird fade at the end of OF4S and a weird fade in on AMD. They seem like such random songs to segue together, but it is what it is, and it should be kept that way.

If they put those outtakes on a second disk, they could easily put them in that order of the earlier Parade configuration. Little Girl Wendy's Parade, New Position (with those Clare strings), I Wonder U... etc etc.

The first time I heard Old Friends 4 Sale & All My Dreams was on an early Black Album CD I bought in 1988... I think this was even before the famous "Charade" bootleg (not sure). I always loved that they flowed one into the other - in terms of Parade, I think it would've worked so well to go from one of the darkest songs into one of the most joyous. Love both of them and definitely looking forward to Parade SD in the future!

AaronReturn2005 said:

Am I the only one who thinks the 3:12 I Could Never Take The Place Of Your Man should be on Disc 3, unless it's the video version or a "promo edit"?

I could be totally wrong on this, but I checked PrinceVault and didn't see a listing for any released version of ICNTTPOYM clocking in at 3:12 so I'm thinking maybe that I Could Never... is actually the start of the vault tracks and not Teacher Teacher? Someone did say there's a 1979 demo slated for inclusion.

If there is in fact a promo version of the song that's 3:12 long, then I'd love to be corrected...

VaultCurator said:

If you're unhappy about how SOTT deluxe has been sequenced I suspect you're going to have a fit when it comes to Graffiti Bridge.

We'll all be dead by then..

GiggityGoo said:

VaultCurator said:

Just to be Crystal Clear! I am not at all upset or let down or at all displeased with the reported track list. I am just speculating and wondering what this list, if accurate, means for a Parade SD. I mentioned this before the track list was posted.

Let me be clear: i plan to buy 2 of the CD SD sets....

KlyphIsBackAgain said:

love2thenines2003 said:

WBR will keep 4 ever the rights to the unreleased stuff from 78-94 and publishing rights to rest of the world except to USA.....SonyI will have the rights to remastering and offficial stuff bsides...ext.versions etc but always needs agreements for 78-94 unreleased stufftrack with, WBR...sony can release in 2021 unreleased stuff to 95-2016....correct me if iam wrong

It hasn't been stated if WB will keep the rights to the unreleased stuff recorded when he was with them.

they very likley own a lot of it. Prince likely billed WB and sent them the invoices...

I will never understand what Others Here With Us has to do with Parade, it desn't fit at all with the sound, the vibe or theme of the album. It fits better with SOTT sonically.

SquirrelMeat said:

The only way the estate could clean up the catalogue would be to re-release offical album remasters (with relevant released 7"/12"/B-sides)

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We should have had that 25 years ago (Remastered + Complete).
And then 20 years ago or there would need to be Expanded albums, for instance including a live album and some outtakes.
And then five or ten years later "Lost Albums" box sets with proposed album configurations that never were released.
And also "(Super) Deluxe" sets with a new remastering (because those original remasters from the 1990s sound too much of that time, e.g. too much treble etc., plus technology has improved) and lots of bonus tracks (relevant outtakes, previously unreleased alternate versions,...).
And then perhaps a "Bootleg" series where we'd get loose outtakes that wouldn't fit on any of those.
And an online archive of soundboard concert recordings with almost entire tours, released bit by bit over a long time (with the most exceptional recordings getting physical releases).

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Instead we have the ongoing mess, due to an Estate that has to grapple with an unorganized archive and a lack of documentation, combined with a desire to get product out and earn money without overspending on the archival side and without saturating the market (which is difficult due to the Sony/Legacy deal, which in itself only exists because Prince never took care of his post-WBR catalog).

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lustmealways said: