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Why do you think there was a 3 year gap?

Prince usually released a album every year but why do you think there was a 3 year gap of not releasing any new albums between 2011-2013.Do any of you think there was a certain reason why he stopped and during 2014 and 2015 he started putting out 2 albums a year plus was being very active on twitter and tidal.It seemed like he was in a rush to get the music out.Plus before he passed he was always talking about more upcoming albums like "black is the new black".Just interested in everyone's thoughts?
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Reply #1 posted 02/19/20 4:58pm

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If I remember correctly, he talked about that on Arsenio Hall. Something along the lines of he wanted to release an album when he had something cohesive.

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Reply #2 posted 02/19/20 5:21pm

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Well, it ties in with his operation. My guess is pain. By the time he conquered the pain, he was on a slippery slope with painkillers him from 2013-16 .

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Reply #3 posted 02/20/20 2:19am

Rimshottbob

Health, it seems is the reason.

In that time period, there was the hip, the operation, and what would seem to be a deteriation in health.

The 'comeback' of 3rdEyeGirl and then Art Official Age all seems to take place with a different mindset - he knew/sensed/felt he didn't have that long left. So there was a new urgency to his work. And then then the 'summations' that were Hit N Run 1 and 2.

Although 20Ten isn't a bad record, it kind of felt like he was either exhausted and/or had reached some kind of creative dead end... He'd gone back to the sound ofhis heyday and recreated it with some success.... although the end result was hardly a classic.

And then there was quiet, aside from the odd track thrown out here and there.

He had other concerns occupying his time and energy, followed by a rush of creative output as he realised he was reaching the end.

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Reply #4 posted 02/20/20 2:25am

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The gap coincides with Prince's reported hip surgery, but he did prepare the 'Welcome 2 America' album in 2011, but choose not to release it. An American release of a deluxe, extended version of 20TEN was also discussed during the same period and one of its new songs, 'Rich Friends', was played by a radio station.

Much of, if not all, of the material used for the 3RDEYEGIRL album was recorded by 2013 and PLECTRUMELECTRUM was mentioned as being ready for release in the same year.

What Prince seemed to lack during that period was a satisfactory deal and means of releasing music. We know now that this also coincided with health issues.
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Reply #5 posted 02/20/20 3:04am

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in 2011 he did the second part of the Welcome 2 America tour, then he came to europe
for Welcome 2 America Euro tour.

then he went on to do the Welcome 2 Canada tour and the Welcome 2 Australia tour.

there's an 11 month gap between Welcome 2 Australia and the Live Out Loud tours,

altho there were a dozen or so one off appearances/shows during that lull.

plus he was also working in the studio with Andy Allo to record and produce her LP.

he also released half a dozen or so rehearsals through Andy and Dr Funkenberry in
2012.

plus the odd studiotrack that somehow found it's way to us (like Hot Summer and
Rich Friends) etc.

all in all there was only a small gap of about 4 to 5 months when he was really out
of the picture.

so it seems to be a combination of all the things mentioned above. what he actually
said about it himself, on arsenio, coupled with his health, new projects he was just
thinking up/working out behind the scenes, recording with Andy (and probably a few
other artists), getting 3rdEyeGirl together, rehearsing and recording etc etc etc.






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Reply #6 posted 02/20/20 3:24am

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I will always believe it was more than a hip, that he was sick sick. But didn’t want anyone to know. So we don’t know.

I think that’s why there was a gap.

If anyone saw him perform at the farm in England then saw him next touring 3eg (I did hence the comparison) he was still prince still fantastic still the only one, but he was maybe frailer and just different. Not in a terrible way of course not but different. Certainly more reflective.

3eg was for me his best or second best period so I will always feel he went out with a bang.
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Reply #7 posted 02/20/20 7:21am

Genesia

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IstenSzek said:

in 2011 he did the second part of the Welcome 2 America tour, then he came to europe
for Welcome 2 America Euro tour.

then he went on to do the Welcome 2 Canada tour and the Welcome 2 Australia tour.

there's an 11 month gap between Welcome 2 Australia and the Live Out Loud tours,

altho there were a dozen or so one off appearances/shows during that lull.

plus he was also working in the studio with Andy Allo to record and produce her LP.

he also released half a dozen or so rehearsals through Andy and Dr Funkenberry in
2012.

plus the odd studiotrack that somehow found it's way to us (like Hot Summer and
Rich Friends) etc.

all in all there was only a small gap of about 4 to 5 months when he was really out
of the picture.

so it seems to be a combination of all the things mentioned above. what he actually
said about it himself, on arsenio, coupled with his health, new projects he was just
thinking up/working out behind the scenes, recording with Andy (and probably a few
other artists), getting 3rdEyeGirl together, rehearsing and recording etc etc etc.







Thank you. I was just going to say, he was playing live during this time. I saw him in Chicago in September of 2012 and again in May 2013 at the Myth in Minneapolis, which I believe was his warm-up for the shows he played in Europe that summer with 3rdeyegirl.

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Reply #8 posted 02/20/20 8:58am

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Prince toured, recorded as much as ever, released a crapload of material online (streams and digital singles) as well as his collaboration album with Andy Allo, Superconductor, during these years. It never felt like he was retired or anything like this at the time: there was Prince news all the time if you followed him closely. My take is that he was just fed up with the decline of albums sales, i think he mentioned that in an interview at the time. It was his way of blackmailing us into buying records again lol
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Reply #9 posted 02/20/20 9:01am

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databank said:

Prince toured, recorded as much as ever, released a crapload of material online (streams and digital singles) as well as his collaboration album with Andy Allo, Superconductor, during these years. It never felt like he was retired or anything like this at the time: there was Prince news all the time if you followed him closely. My take is that he was just fed up with the decline of albums sales, i think he mentioned that in an interview at the time. It was his way of blackmailing us into buying records again lol


Right. Didn't he say something about how there was just no way to make money with recorded music, anymore?

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Reply #10 posted 02/20/20 10:40am

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databank said:

Prince toured, recorded as much as ever, released a crapload of material online (streams and digital singles) as well as his collaboration album with Andy Allo, Superconductor, during these years. It never felt like he was retired or anything like this at the time: there was Prince news all the time if you followed him closely. My take is that he was just fed up with the decline of albums sales, i think he mentioned that in an interview at the time. It was his way of blackmailing us into buying records again lol



yeahthat

I remember compiling several CDs of material released or streamed online over this time period. You had to be willing to do "the work" to put it all together, but overall it didn't feel like his output had slowed down at all.

djThunderfunk said:
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He said when asked why he had a 'producer' for AoA, he responded 'well when things don't seem to work...' and that is probably what he was dealing with after LotusFlow3r - AoA

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Genesia said:



databank said:


Prince toured, recorded as much as ever, released a crapload of material online (streams and digital singles) as well as his collaboration album with Andy Allo, Superconductor, during these years. It never felt like he was retired or anything like this at the time: there was Prince news all the time if you followed him closely. My take is that he was just fed up with the decline of albums sales, i think he mentioned that in an interview at the time. It was his way of blackmailing us into buying records again lol


Right. Didn't he say something about how there was just no way to make money with recorded music, anymore?


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Reply #13 posted 02/20/20 2:25pm

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Good question.

My guess would be a combination of things:

- Releasing music on traditional platforms was dead and there was no real way to monetize it anymore

- He wasn't playing the Spotify/Pandora/YouTube game nor was he real keen on record companies and hadn't entirely delivered on or figured out the whole "running your own website" thing either. And, as usual, wanted total control, which was becoming incredibly difficult as the internet exploded beyond his ability to control it. He declared the internet was dead but I think he meant as a revenue stream.

- I think he was adjusting to the modern model of music distribution which, to him, was not only chump change but, probably in his mind, almost beneath him. The sudden change in how music was delivered and sold must have baffled and challenged him.


- Possible health issues but who knows? He was probably feeling like he was getting old.

- I highly doubt it had much to do with wanting to wait until he had "really killer material". Didn't seem to stop him before a lot of times. Truthfully, he BURIED a lot of his best material many times

Was he or was he not touring heavily during this time?


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Reply #14 posted 02/20/20 2:40pm

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I think Prince couldn't find any major label who was willing to release his music. That's probably the main reason why we never got 20ten Deluxe and Welcome 2 America.
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Reply #15 posted 02/20/20 3:07pm

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2010, 2011 and 2012 he spent touring extensively! I was even surprised how long he spent on the Welcome 2 shows, and his body really didn't seem to show any signs of wearing down even up to the last show in Chicago.

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We can't discount that just because the releases were sporadic at the time, he was most likely recording music at the same pace. A lot of the material eventually got released one way or another.

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By the time we got to AOA I think it became more about his body.

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Genesia said:



databank said:


Prince toured, recorded as much as ever, released a crapload of material online (streams and digital singles) as well as his collaboration album with Andy Allo, Superconductor, during these years. It never felt like he was retired or anything like this at the time: there was Prince news all the time if you followed him closely. My take is that he was just fed up with the decline of albums sales, i think he mentioned that in an interview at the time. It was his way of blackmailing us into buying records again lol


Right. Didn't he say something about how there was just no way to make money with recorded music, anymore?


Yes. I couldn't remember which interview it was but I remember something along these lines nod
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Reply #17 posted 02/20/20 3:54pm

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djThunderfunk said:



databank said:


Prince toured, recorded as much as ever, released a crapload of material online (streams and digital singles) as well as his collaboration album with Andy Allo, Superconductor, during these years. It never felt like he was retired or anything like this at the time: there was Prince news all the time if you followed him closely. My take is that he was just fed up with the decline of albums sales, i think he mentioned that in an interview at the time. It was his way of blackmailing us into buying records again lol



yeahthat

I remember compiling several CDs of material released or streamed online over this time period. You had to be willing to do "the work" to put it all together, but overall it didn't feel like his output had slowed down at all.


If you look at 2013 on my site, it's actually one of the busiest years, if not the busiest, in his career in terms of official material made available, but most of it was hit and run and hide and seek indeed.
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Reply #18 posted 02/20/20 4:07pm

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databank said:

djThunderfunk said:



yeahthat

I remember compiling several CDs of material released or streamed online over this time period. You had to be willing to do "the work" to put it all together, but overall it didn't feel like his output had slowed down at all.

If you look at 2013 on my site, it's actually one of the busiest years, if not the busiest, in his career in terms of official material made available, but most of it was hit and run and hide and seek indeed.


It seemed like every couple of weeks there was some new site I had to go to to download or stream from. He was trying a bunch of different options to see what worked, for sure.

djThunderfunk said:
Not because of some silly milano on the org.

PennyPurple thought it was racial slur and said:
Ban! Ban! Ban! Ban! Ban! lol
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Reply #19 posted 02/20/20 4:37pm

Phase3

databank said:

djThunderfunk said:



databank said:


Prince toured, recorded as much as ever, released a crapload of material online (streams and digital singles) as well as his collaboration album with Andy Allo, Superconductor, during these years. It never felt like he was retired or anything like this at the time: there was Prince news all the time if you followed him closely. My take is that he was just fed up with the decline of albums sales, i think he mentioned that in an interview at the time. It was his way of blackmailing us into buying records again lol



yeahthat

I remember compiling several CDs of material released or streamed online over this time period. You had to be willing to do "the work" to put it all together, but overall it didn't feel like his output had slowed down at all.


If you look at 2013 on my site, it's actually one of the busiest years, if not the busiest, in his career in terms of official material made available, but most of it was hit and run and hide and seek indeed.

I love your site! I have it bookmarked now.Great job,I know it took a lot of work
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Reply #20 posted 02/20/20 5:21pm

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databank said:

djThunderfunk said:



databank said:


Prince toured, recorded as much as ever, released a crapload of material online (streams and digital singles) as well as his collaboration album with Andy Allo, Superconductor, during these years. It never felt like he was retired or anything like this at the time: there was Prince news all the time if you followed him closely. My take is that he was just fed up with the decline of albums sales, i think he mentioned that in an interview at the time. It was his way of blackmailing us into buying records again lol



yeahthat

I remember compiling several CDs of material released or streamed online over this time period. You had to be willing to do "the work" to put it all together, but overall it didn't feel like his output had slowed down at all.


If you look at 2013 on my site, it's actually one of the busiest years, if not the busiest, in his career in terms of official material made available, but most of it was hit and run and hide and seek indeed.

I just checked your site, and 2013 does look busy. It’s very scattershot. Something released over here and another over there. No wonder I felt behind on his releases at that time.
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Reply #21 posted 02/20/20 8:39pm

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Phase3 said:

databank said:


If you look at 2013 on my site, it's actually one of the busiest years, if not the busiest, in his career in terms of official material made available, but most of it was hit and run and hide and seek indeed.

I love your site! I have it bookmarked now.Great job,I know it took a lot of work

Thx, I appreciate it hug I still have so much work to do on it to perfect it, proofreading, corrections...
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Reply #22 posted 02/20/20 8:42pm

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databank said:

Phase3 said:
I love your site! I have it bookmarked now.Great job,I know it took a lot of work
Thx, I appreciate it hug I still have so much work to do on it to perfect it, proofreading, corrections...


Was 2013 the year?

At the end of 2012, beginning of 2013, is that when they kept saying "2013 is going to be huge" or something like that. If so, it was. Even without an album.

djThunderfunk said:
Not because of some silly milano on the org.

PennyPurple thought it was racial slur and said:
Ban! Ban! Ban! Ban! Ban! lol
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Reply #23 posted 02/20/20 9:02pm

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djThunderfunk said:



databank said:


Phase3 said:
I love your site! I have it bookmarked now.Great job,I know it took a lot of work

Thx, I appreciate it hug I still have so much work to do on it to perfect it, proofreading, corrections...


Was 2013 the year?

At the end of 2012, beginning of 2013, is that when they kept saying "2013 is going to be huge" or something like that. If so, it was. Even without an album.


I remember a "bootlegs 4 daze" (days?) slogan, and it turned out quite true indeed. P knew the stream stuff would end up on boots I guess?
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Reply #24 posted 02/20/20 10:12pm

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I think the start of that coincided with him saying he wasn't going to release records because the indusry was going through something they needed to work out first.

Then he started doing tours playing the hits, and seeking out a lot of young artists and as others mentioned, put out a bunch of records.

I think some of the time that can't be accounted for invoves the period he was dating Misty Copeland, and she was based out of New York.

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I was hoping to see the direct quote but I remember it being a semi-big story about him "quitting" albums, giving one of his trademark cryptic quotes, right after 20Ten.

Right after this quote 2011 had the "Extraloveable" iTunes single, 2013 had a large number of 3rdEyeGirl digital singles.

But I did used to wonder why there was no recorded material in 2012.

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Reply #26 posted 02/21/20 4:24am

dodger

Genesia said:

databank said:

Prince toured, recorded as much as ever, released a crapload of material online (streams and digital singles) as well as his collaboration album with Andy Allo, Superconductor, during these years. It never felt like he was retired or anything like this at the time: there was Prince news all the time if you followed him closely. My take is that he was just fed up with the decline of albums sales, i think he mentioned that in an interview at the time. It was his way of blackmailing us into buying records again lol


Right. Didn't he say something about how there was just no way to make money with recorded music, anymore?

From the 'lost' Rolling Stone interview from 2014:

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Prince famously liberated himself from his record deal with Warner Bros. in 1996, and it apparently took him years to realize that his freedom extended to not releasing music. “I write more than I record now, and I also play live a lot more than I record,” he says. “I used to record something every day. I always tease that I have to go to studio rehab.

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“I’m a very in-the-moment person,” he continues. “I do what feels good in the moment. … I’m not on a schedule, and I don’t have any sort of contractual ties. I don’t know in history if there’s been any musicians that have been self-sufficient like that, not beholden. I have giant bills, large payrolls, so I do have to do tours. … But there’s no need to record anymore.” He makes a direct connection between fasting, celibacy and his abstention from recording. “After four days, you don’t want food anymore. … It’s like this thing that says, ‘Feed me, feed me.’ When it realizes it’s not going to get fed, it goes away. … It’s the same with music. I had to see what it’s like to stop making albums. And then you go, ‘Oh, wait a minute, I don’t feel the need to do that anymore.'”

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Reply #27 posted 02/21/20 5:37am

RODSERLING

The 3 year gap was because Prince couldn't find a record house, plain and simple.
After 2007, no label wanted to work under Prince s conditions.
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He tried to Fuck WB in the 90's
He fucked BMG with Emancipation
He fucked Arista wit Rave ( he even received an paycheck in advance of 11 millions $)
He fucked Sony with the release of Planet Earth in the daily mail,
He fucked Universal with the promotion of 3121.
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So like he literally tried to fuck every label, his only chance was to go back to WB.
WB was interested only because Prince was supposed to give in exchange the Purple Rain Deluxe they wanted so much. Moreover, WB had a back catalogue to sell, contrary to other record houses, so it was more profitable.
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Eventually he fucked WB once more by not giving them what they wanted.
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Reply #28 posted 02/21/20 7:13am

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WhisperingDandelions said:

I was hoping to see the direct quote but I remember it being a semi-big story about him "quitting" albums, giving one of his trademark cryptic quotes, right after 20Ten.

Right after this quote 2011 had the "Extraloveable" iTunes single, 2013 had a large number of 3rdEyeGirl digital singles.

But I did used to wonder why there was no recorded material in 2012.

Yeah, not a lot from 2012 but finishing up the Welcome 2 tour and seemed focused on his Andy Allo relationship/recordings that year might be why
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Ain't Gonna Miss U When U're Gone Prince: 3rdEyeGirl.com download 2012
Angel Wish - 2012
Boyfriend Prince: 3rdEyeGirl.com download 2012
Breakdown Prince: Art Official Age 2012 2014
Breakfast Can Wait Prince: Art Official Age 2012 2013
Check The Record Welcome 2 America 2012
Dream Of Fire Ana Moura: Desfado 2012 2012
Givin Em What They Love Janelle Monáe: The Electric Lady 2012
Groovy Potential Prince: Hitnrun Phase Two 2012
Live Out Loud 3rdEyeGirl: 3rdEyeGirl.com website 2012
Rocknroll Loveaffair Prince: Hitnrun Phase Two 2012
Screwdriver Prince: Hitnrun Phase Two 2012

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RODSERLING said:

The 3 year gap was because Prince couldn't find a record house, plain and simple.
After 2007, no label wanted to work under Prince s conditions.
.
He tried to Fuck WB in the 90's
He fucked BMG with Emancipation
He fucked Arista wit Rave ( he even received an paycheck in advance of 11 millions $)
He fucked Sony with the release of Planet Earth in the daily mail,
He fucked Universal with the promotion of 3121.
.
So like he literally tried to fuck every label, his only chance was to go back to WB.
WB was interested only because Prince was supposed to give in exchange the Purple Rain Deluxe they wanted so much. Moreover, WB had a back catalogue to sell, contrary to other record houses, so it was more profitable.
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Eventually he fucked WB once more by not giving them what they wanted.
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Except that, even if no major would sign him anymore (and we don't know that for a fact since it's not documented - it's a reasonable hypothesis, but a purely speculative one), he could still have released the records himself online or thru any smaller label, so I don't think it has anything to do with this.
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