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LoveGalore said: jaawwnn said: RODSERLING is correct in that Gold Experience hasn't had much of a long-lasting impact in the way his 80s albums did. Probably because, for all its being a great album, it was hardly cutting edge or breaking new ground, and a lot of people just look back and see angry prince with slave on his face. Look back to the 80s and you see this cutting edge artist who was also on the top of the charts. It's not strange at all that Dirty Mind is on every list, it's a visionary album. I challenge you to find an album by any artist around that time that legitimately broke new ground rather than just improved upon what existed. Nothing new under the sun. Dirty Mind is only visionary in that it marked a dramatic pivot for Prince. For all intents and purposes, it is where the Prince we knew was born. Is it a great album? Meh. I'm of the mind that it's no better than the two before it and he certainly did better iterations of whatever he accomplished on later albums. I never go to Dirty Mind over any of the other 80s albums. Gold Experience was lauded by critics not because it necessarily broke new ground (but I promise you that "Billy Jack Bitch" certainly did and I'd wager so did "I Hate U" and "Gold"), but that it is a pristine example of what makes Prince... Prince. Every concept Prince ever promoted, every aesthetic, every message is brought to bear on that record in stunning fashion. It is, frankly, a masterpiece. It is also the most tragic record in his catalog because it was overshadowed by drama then and remains as such today. Yet it is still one of his most timeless and brilliant albums to date. Certainly the shining star of the decade. [Edited 1/31/20 4:37am] Of course, in a better world, Gold could have sold 10 millions, with the eponymous track being the anthem of a new generation. Well, it didn't. . But don't get me wrong : there are such crappy albums on those lists that it make no sense some albums are missing. Gold could well fit in it. But it is completely forgotten. . I don't understand why Dirty Mind especially is on every list beside PR, 1999 and SOTT. Dirty Mind was more or less an electronical sound that already existed ( Cars by Gary Numan, Yellow Magic Orchestra, etc.) and I understand the lyrics were daring for the puritans Americans, but this was nothing new in Europe- the reason why it remained unnoticed there. . I would rather see the Black Album, Lovesexy, D&P or even Rainbow Children on those kind of list. . |
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Well... your argument seems to be grounded on the idea that no one ever breaks new ground so i'm not sure I can convince you, but... Portishead, Bjork, Tricky, Aphex Twin, Wu-Tang Clan, Dj Shadow. I mean, i'm not necessarily a fan of all those acts but they come to mind as fairly groundbreaking at the time.
We can agree to disagree on whether or not it's good, I think it's the first album to seamlessly meld New Wave, Synth pop and funk without being obviously able to see the "joins" to to speak. Other attempts from that time you can pretty much always hear exactly what bits have been put together and then Prince came out two, three steps ahead of them all. The comparitive clunkiness of, say, the stuff coming from Gary Numan, on the white music side, or Zapp & Roger, on the black music side , stands in stark contrast to what Prince achieved, and I say this as a fan of both.
I find it overproduced,veering on very cheesy at times, one dimensional emotions being expressed... but a lot of that is just personal taste, I certainly agree that it's a great album that should be enjoyed by a wider audience than it is. If you want to argue that it's album of the decade, i'm all ears.
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RODSERLING said: LoveGalore said: I challenge you to find an album by any artist around that time that legitimately broke new ground rather than just improved upon what existed. Nothing new under the sun. Dirty Mind is only visionary in that it marked a dramatic pivot for Prince. For all intents and purposes, it is where the Prince we knew was born. Is it a great album? Meh. I'm of the mind that it's no better than the two before it and he certainly did better iterations of whatever he accomplished on later albums. I never go to Dirty Mind over any of the other 80s albums. Gold Experience was lauded by critics not because it necessarily broke new ground (but I promise you that "Billy Jack Bitch" certainly did and I'd wager so did "I Hate U" and "Gold"), but that it is a pristine example of what makes Prince... Prince. Every concept Prince ever promoted, every aesthetic, every message is brought to bear on that record in stunning fashion. It is, frankly, a masterpiece. It is also the most tragic record in his catalog because it was overshadowed by drama then and remains as such today. Yet it is still one of his most timeless and brilliant albums to date. Certainly the shining star of the decade. [Edited 1/31/20 4:37am] Of course, in a better world, Gold could have sold 10 millions, with the eponymous track being the anthem of a new generation. Well, it didn't. . But don't get me wrong : there are such crappy albums on those lists that it make no sense some albums are missing. Gold could well fit in it. But it is completely forgotten. . I don't understand why Dirty Mind especially is on every list beside PR, 1999 and SOTT. Dirty Mind was more or less an electronical sound that already existed ( Cars by Gary Numan, Yellow Magic Orchestra, etc.) and I understand the lyrics were daring for the puritans Americans, but this was nothing new in Europe- the reason why it remained unnoticed there. . I would rather see the Black Album, Lovesexy, D&P or even Rainbow Children on those kind of list. . Critics do not seem interested in acknowledging Prince's greatness beyond 1989 when it comes to those enduring best-of lists. As you say, there's dozens of albums on those lists that don't hold a candle to many of Prince's records, so what gives? The least interesting answer to that question is that the quality of his work suffered but I disagree. As is commonly stated, Prince's worst is better than most artists'best. And if that is the case then even albums like Love Symbol and Emancipation deserve a spot, much less Gold Experience. Not trying to say there is a conspiracy but, hey, the proof is in the pudding. Gold Experience is a fucking great album, corny moments and all. | |
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Its merits as an album aside!
It's definitely an interesting album and era to think about and debate - Ideally the original album would be released (TMBGITW legal issues hopefully settled) in it's original form with the b-sdes and mixes on a separate disc (I would release the Beauitful Experence separately - which would also free up space), and 2 discs of outtakes and alternate versions. Holding back any songs that fit better with Come, Exodus, Glam Slam Ulysses etc. I do like the idea of the Dawn, and maybe if that could be released with versions of songs not used on any other album that would be cool - but a minefield for the compiler! | |
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Well... your argument seems to be grounded on the idea that no one ever breaks new ground so i'm not sure I can convince you, but... Portishead, Bjork, Tricky, Aphex Twin, Wu-Tang Clan, Dj Shadow. I mean, i'm not necessarily a fan of all those acts but they come to mind as fairly groundbreaking at the time.
We can agree to disagree on whether or not it's good, I think it's the first album to seamlessly meld New Wave, Synth pop and funk without being obviously able to see the "joins" to to speak. Other attempts from that time you can pretty much always hear exactly what bits have been put together and then Prince came out two, three steps ahead of them all. The comparitive clunkiness of, say, the stuff coming from Gary Numan, on the white music side, or Zapp & Roger, on the black music side , stands in stark contrast to what Prince achieved, and I say this as a fan of both.
I find it overproduced,veering on very cheesy at times, one dimensional emotions being expressed... but a lot of that is just personal taste, I certainly agree that it's a great album that should be enjoyed by a wider audience than it is. If you want to argue that it's album of the decade, i'm all ears.
[Edited 1/31/20 5:20am] I think the artists you listed are all great and they did wonderful albums. Do I think Wu Tang broke new ground? Aphex Twin? Ehhhh. I don't wanna derail but those artists, to me, are still following in the footsteps of Numan, Reznor, Eazy E, Bowie, The DOC, Dr Dre, and even Prince himself. Could TGE be Prince's album of the decade? Shit yeah. Listen, nearly every Prince album has some sort of cheeseball aspect because that was part of his shtick. It's how songs like "Do U Lie" or "Gotta Broken Heart Again" or even, as amazing as it is, "Delirious"! He had a sense of humor, too, which is why that ridiculous chorus on "Pussy Control" works so well. Nobody but prince could get away with that shit. As I said elsewhere, it's every Prince concept dialed up a few notches. It's overproduced in the same way Purple Rain could be considered overproduced compared to it's grimey cousin 1999 or it's underproduced but cheesey child ATWIAD. Similarly, TGE is so much grander than it's related albums Come and Chaos & Disorder. But the performances are impeccable, there is great writing to be had all over - to me, "I Hate U" is like taking Marvin Gaye's Here My Dear and giving it a machete. | |
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jaawwnn said:
Well... your argument seems to be grounded on the idea that no one ever breaks new ground so i'm not sure I can convince you, but... Portishead, Bjork, Tricky, Aphex Twin, Wu-Tang Clan, Dj Shadow. I mean, i'm not necessarily a fan of all those acts but they come to mind as fairly groundbreaking at the time.
We can agree to disagree on whether or not it's good, I think it's the first album to seamlessly meld New Wave, Synth pop and funk without being obviously able to see the "joins" to to speak. Other attempts from that time you can pretty much always hear exactly what bits have been put together and then Prince came out two, three steps ahead of them all. The comparitive clunkiness of, say, the stuff coming from Gary Numan, on the white music side, or Zapp & Roger, on the black music side , stands in stark contrast to what Prince achieved, and I say this as a fan of both.
I find it overproduced,veering on very cheesy at times, one dimensional emotions being expressed... but a lot of that is just personal taste, I certainly agree that it's a great album that should be enjoyed by a wider audience than it is. If you want to argue that it's album of the decade, i'm all ears.
[Edited 1/31/20 5:20am] Gold is a good album. But D&P and Lovesymbol are far better and better produced. Maybe Gold is better than COME? That's a challenging question. |
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LoveGalore said: jaawwnn said:
Well... your argument seems to be grounded on the idea that no one ever breaks new ground so i'm not sure I can convince you, but... Portishead, Bjork, Tricky, Aphex Twin, Wu-Tang Clan, Dj Shadow. I mean, i'm not necessarily a fan of all those acts but they come to mind as fairly groundbreaking at the time.
We can agree to disagree on whether or not it's good, I think it's the first album to seamlessly meld New Wave, Synth pop and funk without being obviously able to see the "joins" to to speak. Other attempts from that time you can pretty much always hear exactly what bits have been put together and then Prince came out two, three steps ahead of them all. The comparitive clunkiness of, say, the stuff coming from Gary Numan, on the white music side, or Zapp & Roger, on the black music side , stands in stark contrast to what Prince achieved, and I say this as a fan of both.
I find it overproduced,veering on very cheesy at times, one dimensional emotions being expressed... but a lot of that is just personal taste, I certainly agree that it's a great album that should be enjoyed by a wider audience than it is. If you want to argue that it's album of the decade, i'm all ears.
[Edited 1/31/20 5:20am] I think the artists you listed are all great and they did wonderful albums. Do I think Wu Tang broke new ground? Aphex Twin? Ehhhh. I don't wanna derail but those artists, to me, are still following in the footsteps of Numan, Reznor, Eazy E, Bowie, The DOC, Dr Dre, and even Prince himself. Could TGE be Prince's album of the decade? Shit yeah. Listen, nearly every Prince album has some sort of cheeseball aspect because that was part of his shtick. It's how songs like "Do U Lie" or "Gotta Broken Heart Again" or even, as amazing as it is, "Delirious"! He had a sense of humor, too, which is why that ridiculous chorus on "Pussy Control" works so well. Nobody but prince could get away with that shit. As I said elsewhere, it's every Prince concept dialed up a few notches. It's overproduced in the same way Purple Rain could be considered overproduced compared to it's grimey cousin 1999 or it's underproduced but cheesey child ATWIAD. Similarly, TGE is so much grander than it's related albums Come and Chaos & Disorder. But the performances are impeccable, there is great writing to be had all over - to me, "I Hate U" is like taking Marvin Gaye's Here My Dear and giving it a machete. There are some clunkers on Gold. Sshhh...for instance is boring. The remix of TMBGITW is terrible. What was the point in slaughtering the original track, God only knows (to avoid the plagiarism suit?) Dolphin is an average song. I love We March, but I read very negative reviews here. |
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Not a big fan of Love Symbol myself, although I do prefer the production on it. Gold and Come should be re-released together imho. I probably play The Dawn 4.1 more than I play either of them. | |
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I agree.Very few artists were "breaking new ground" around that time.Personally,I don't think that an album necessarily has to be "cutting edge" to be good.The Gold Experience is a strong,consistent album filled with great songs.That's enough for me. | |
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we march and the verison of p control and the version of endorphine r clunkers... | |
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the songs that got left off this album are also amazing: "Ripopgodazippa"."Hide The Bone","Days Of Wild",just to name a few,are all top-notch songs!! | |
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Hmm. With the exception of a French release (I don't care if it was or wasn't released there in the 90s)... Every... single... word of this.... is misleading nonsense.
Of COURSE The Gold Experience should have a Super Deluxe Edition. I just hope they make it as good or better as the self-made one I have on my computer!
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RODSERLING said: Gold was not a commercial success I think we all know the reason why this album didn’t sell more.It was caught in the middle of Prince’s feud with Warners.Under normal circumstances,great songs like “319” and “Dolphin” would been all over the charts and on the radio.”I Hate U” got a lot of attention on R&B radio but the video wasn’t widely shown back then.The aggressive promotion just wasn’t there because of the feud with WB. | |
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RODSERLING said: It is so badly received by the critics Bull! When this album was released,I read numerous rave reviews by the critics. | |
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"Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything." --Plato
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I bought The Gold Experience because I heard "I Hate U" on the radio... But that's the only thing I heard. No promo, nothin'... 
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SoulAlive said: RODSERLING said: Gold was not a commercial success I think we all know the reason why this album didn’t sell more.It was caught in the middle of Prince’s feud with Warners.Under normal circumstances,great songs like “319” and “Dolphin” would been all over the charts and on the radio.”I Hate U” got a lot of attention on R&B radio but the video wasn’t widely shown back then.The aggressive promotion just wasn’t there because of the feud with WB. Thanks to repeat again what I already expressed numerous times. |
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This wont happened until the law suit over TMBGITW is settled. 99.9% of everything I say is strictly for my own entertainment |
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SoulAlive said: RODSERLING said: It is so badly received by the critics Bull! When this album was released,I read numerous rave reviews by the critics. Yes, when the album was released. In 1995. And what year is this now? 2020? Please read before answering my posts. |
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SoulAlive said: the songs that got left off this album are also amazing: "Ripopgodazippa"."Hide The Bone","Days Of Wild",just to name a few,are all top-notch songs!! Those songs should have been on the album instead of Shy, We March and P control. Welcome 2 The Dawn | |
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not a bad idea | |
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I do like "Shy",though.It has a cool,bluesy feel that I really enjoy
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. Where are Interactive? The Ride? IMO, they should have been in the original Gold, together with Days of Wild [Edited 2/1/20 18:15pm] |
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Interactive is a Come song, and The Ride is from The Undertaker | |
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. So for that reason most fans knew the songs before teh album came out? And significance is commercial in nature in your book? Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry. | |
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. So for that reason most fans knew the songs before teh album came out? And significance is commercial in nature in your book? Hey what's wrong with you all? Why are you trolling like that? Read my posts, I was clear. Isolate one sentence of a whole post if you want, that won't make it the truth that were in it. It s just trolling. . I repeat, again, and again and again for the trolls : a super deluxe treatment is applied only for albums that made a lasting commercial and critical impact. That's logical and things work like that in our world. . That's why WB released deluxe edition of PR and 1999 instead of For You and Prince. . That's why the Beatles have super deluxe treatment for their post 1966 albums, but not for Beatles for sales for instance lol. . Now I hope this time you got it. |
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Definitely requires these remixes:
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Hey what's wrong with you all? Why are you trolling like that? Read my posts, I was clear. . So I posted a clear response. . Isolate one sentence of a whole post if you want, that won't make it the truth that were in it. . The whole reply was dismissing the possibilities of TGE seeing a Deluxe remaster. . It s just trolling. . I . You have stark ideas about reality. My name is not All. . a super deluxe treatment is applied only for albums that made a lasting commercial and critical impact. . If 'the Estate' think they can make money they will try to. So it is not so much about making money then as it is about making money now. . That's logical and things work like that in our world. . That's why WB released . See, big coporate ideas instead of different viewpoints. They will never be like Elon Musk but more like IBM. Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry. | |
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r these on a bootleg somewhere? | |
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I actually think 'Sshhh' is Prince's greatest song of the 90s. I think it's absolutely mind-blowing. I'd say this and 'Eye Hate U' are the real stars of this album. I agree there are clunkers too, but for me this obvious candidates for this are 'P Control' and 'We March'. | |
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Agree with all this. How someone can say Shhh is boring is surprising. I'd also add Billy Jack Bitch to Shhh and I Hate U as stars of the album. . A Gold Deluxe seems unlikely but it would be awesome. The possibilties would be endless... Even though we've all got the out-takes like Days Of Wild, Acknowledge Me, Ripop etc would be great to also get the likes of Strength, Angie and The Jam
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I don't care about Remixes and Edits. I want all the Outtakes. And live shows and rehearsals from that era. And I think it would be great, if they offered the alternate Album configurations as an extra download for those who care ('cuz I definitely do!) According to Princevault.com there are at least 5 different Album configurations of "The Gold Experience". They shouldn't be left unheard imo. NPG Radio:
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