Rimshottbob said:

LoveGalore said:

BartVanHemelen said: Even more puzzling then! I could see him preferring to break up the 93 concept into several other projects and release them individually for a few reasons (his temperament not the least among them). But to scrap The Dawn for Newpower Soul seems really bewildering. Especially to then change his mind by downgrading it from a canon release to an associate release this way. He did way more promo for NPS than Exodus too. (did he do any promo for Exodus??)

Doing promo for Exodus was tricky, because it was in the midst of the battle with WB, the 'slave' era, etc... he was under contract to WB still at that point, and couldn't officially appear on Exodus... hence he was 'Tora Tora'... I vaguely remember seeing the New Power Generation late one night in the UK, promoting Exodus (and possibly playing Get Wild?), and when they were interviewed, Prince was wearing the red veil and was announced as Tora Tora. It was all about it being an NPG album, with no mention of 'Prince'.... I want to say it was on Channel 4, maybe The White Room?

EDIT before posting: Okay, I forgot that Princevault goes into that much detail on individual songs... and I was right! It was Get Wild on The White Room, in April 95...

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Nope, The Sunday Show, broadcast on BBC around noon.

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PV make this sooooo easy to look up: https://www.princevault.c...Interviews . Use the tools at hand instead of spreading misinformation.

BartVanHemelen said:

Rimshottbob said:

Doing promo for Exodus was tricky, because it was in the midst of the battle with WB, the 'slave' era, etc... he was under contract to WB still at that point, and couldn't officially appear on Exodus... hence he was 'Tora Tora'... I vaguely remember seeing the New Power Generation late one night in the UK, promoting Exodus (and possibly playing Get Wild?), and when they were interviewed, Prince was wearing the red veil and was announced as Tora Tora. It was all about it being an NPG album, with no mention of 'Prince'.... I want to say it was on Channel 4, maybe The White Room?

EDIT before posting: Okay, I forgot that Princevault goes into that much detail on individual songs... and I was right! It was Get Wild on The White Room, in April 95...

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Nope, The Sunday Show, broadcast on BBC around noon.

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PV make this sooooo easy to look up: https://www.princevault.c...Interviews . Use the tools at hand instead of spreading misinformation.

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https://www.bbc.com/news/...say-a-word

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See also: https://worldofwonder.net/371131-2/

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BartVanHemelen said:

Rimshottbob said:

Doing promo for Exodus was tricky, because it was in the midst of the battle with WB, the 'slave' era, etc... he was under contract to WB still at that point, and couldn't officially appear on Exodus... hence he was 'Tora Tora'... I vaguely remember seeing the New Power Generation late one night in the UK, promoting Exodus (and possibly playing Get Wild?), and when they were interviewed, Prince was wearing the red veil and was announced as Tora Tora. It was all about it being an NPG album, with no mention of 'Prince'.... I want to say it was on Channel 4, maybe The White Room?

EDIT before posting: Okay, I forgot that Princevault goes into that much detail on individual songs... and I was right! It was Get Wild on The White Room, in April 95...

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Nope, The Sunday Show, broadcast on BBC around noon.

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PV make this sooooo easy to look up: https://www.princevault.c...Interviews . Use the tools at hand instead of spreading misinformation.

Haha.

BartVanHemelen said:

djThunderfunk said:

AaronReturn2005 said:

JorisE73 said:

I asked around and it seems Neversin posted multiple tracklists and screenshots of possible artwork mockups of multiple versions of 'The Dawn', 'Rave '89', 'Heart' and other unreleased albums but didn't post it on Prince.org but on some Onion (access with TOR Browser) site in the years he was banned from Prince.org and other sites but he only pposted the links for some traders and not to the rest of us.

PrinceVault.com listes a 1996 Dawn album with the eletric Welcome 2 The Dawn and TMBGITW Mustang Mix '96 for some reason (the leaked cover art for the Mustang Mix 96 single mentions a Warner release and a promo to TheDawn.com). Did that come from Neversin?

I honestly don't know where it came from or who leaked it.
My guess is it could be from Hans Martin Buff or Steve Parke regarding the artwork.

The two tracks mentioned on PV is just a guess or assumptoin I think.

[Edited 2/26/20 1:14am]

JorisE73 said:

AaronReturn2005 said:

PrinceVault.com listes a 1996 Dawn album with the eletric Welcome 2 The Dawn and TMBGITW Mustang Mix '96 for some reason (the leaked cover art for the Mustang Mix 96 single mentions a Warner release and a promo to TheDawn.com). Did that come from Neversin?

I honestly don't know where it came from or who leaked it.
My guess is it could be from Hans Martin Buff or Steve Parke regarding the artwork.

The two tracks mentioned on PV is just a guess or assumptoin I think.

[Edited 2/26/20 1:14am]

The artwork for the "TMBGITW" Mustang Mix '96 single comes from Scifi's website concerning the '93-'96 era. (Which you should check out BTW, it's a very good website.) So it's likely from his personal collection.

And no, they're the only two tracks that are confirmed to be on the "Dawn '96" album.

The acoustic version of "Welcome 2 The Dawn" is mentioned as coming from the "4thcoming album The Dawn" on the exclusive Borders single of "The Holy River". (And the electric version was also on "The Dawn" as well.)
The Mustang Mix '96 version of "TMBGITW" was also intended for the album.

TheSilentMikey said:

JorisE73 said:

I honestly don't know where it came from or who leaked it.
My guess is it could be from Hans Martin Buff or Steve Parke regarding the artwork.

The two tracks mentioned on PV is just a guess or assumptoin I think.

[Edited 2/26/20 1:14am]

The artwork for the "TMBGITW" Mustang Mix '96 single comes from Scifi's website concerning the '93-'96 era. (Which you should check out BTW, it's a very good website.) So it's likely from his personal collection.

And no, they're the only two tracks that are confirmed to be on the "Dawn '96" album.

The acoustic version of "Welcome 2 The Dawn" is mentioned as coming from the "4thcoming album The Dawn" on the exclusive Borders single of "The Holy River". (And the electric version was also on "The Dawn" as well.)
The Mustang Mix '96 version of "TMBGITW" was also intended for the album.

JorisE73 said:

TheSilentMikey said:

The artwork for the "TMBGITW" Mustang Mix '96 single comes from Scifi's website concerning the '93-'96 era. (Which you should check out BTW, it's a very good website.) So it's likely from his personal collection.

And no, they're the only two tracks that are confirmed to be on the "Dawn '96" album.

The acoustic version of "Welcome 2 The Dawn" is mentioned as coming from the "4thcoming album The Dawn" on the exclusive Borders single of "The Holy River". (And the electric version was also on "The Dawn" as well.)
The Mustang Mix '96 version of "TMBGITW" was also intended for the album.

I find that line susipous-sounding. The images appears 2 be of a WB release with either regular version of TMBGITW as the B-sides (more likely the EP one), and a URL for The Dawn site. Guessing it's a non-album single instead, and sorta the third WB single for the Gold Experience if it did come out.

3rdeyedude said:

It was also the name of Prince's first website, which I had forgotten. And a song from The Truth. Anyone ever visit that website? How long did it last?

I believe The Dawn is first mentioned in the Purple Rain tour booklet from the photo of his hand written note.

People anticipated it would be his follow up project, there was a lot of talk about what it meant, or people pretending they knew what he meant, etc......and then with every release that wasn't The Dawn, there was more anticipation like that was going to be his real conceptual masterpiece in waiting.

It started this idea of Prince holding back his best work from the Vault. He probably should have just called SOTT "The Dawn" instead.

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AaronReturn2005 said:

JorisE73 said:

I find that line susipous-sounding. The images appears 2 be of a WB release with either regular version of TMBGITW as the B-sides (more likely the EP one), and a URL for The Dawn site. Guessing it's a non-album single instead, and sorta the third WB single for the Gold Experience if it did come out.

Well, it's not a WB release. It was going to be released on Valentine's Day '96 as an NPG Records single.
The single's consisted of the Mustang Mix '96 remix and the original version of "TMBGITW".

lavendardrummachine said:

3rdeyedude said:

It was also the name of Prince's first website, which I had forgotten. And a song from The Truth. Anyone ever visit that website? How long did it last?

I believe The Dawn is first mentioned in the Purple Rain tour booklet from the photo of his hand written note.

People anticipated it would be his follow up project, there was a lot of talk about what it meant, or people pretending they knew what he meant, etc......and then with every release that wasn't The Dawn, there was more anticipation like that was going to be his real conceptual masterpiece in waiting.

It started this idea of Prince holding back his best work from the Vault. He probably should have just called SOTT "The Dawn" instead.

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he said those purple rain era songs he played for Morris Hayes were his A songs and purple rain was his B songs

jfenster said:

he said those purple rain era songs he played for Morris Hayes were his A songs and purple rain was his B songs

I hope that proves to be true. So far, the most hyped up tracks from that era have been letdowns (with some surprises that I wouldn't say are A songs). If that material exists, where is it? That's why I wonder when they're going to get to the real unheard Vault material.

I guess he could be talking about Extraloveable, Screams of Passion, Purple Music, Possessed, Electric Intercourse? Maybe Morris Hayes thought Wonderful Ass was an A song that made Purple Rain sound B songs? Susan Rogers hasn't talked about any secret A list material, and the songs she did rave about, like Moonbeam Levels (I think that's too early to be Purple Rain era anyways) isn't going to replace any of the Purple Rain hits.

lavendardrummachine said:

jfenster said:

he said those purple rain era songs he played for Morris Hayes were his A songs and purple rain was his B songs

I hope that proves to be true. So far, the most hyped up tracks from that era have been letdowns (with some surprises that I wouldn't say are A songs). If that material exists, where is it? That's why I wonder when they're going to get to the real unheard Vault material.

I guess he could be talking about Extraloveable, Screams of Passion, Purple Music, Possessed, Electric Intercourse? Maybe Morris Hayes thought Wonderful Ass was an A song that made Purple Rain sound B songs? Susan Rogers hasn't talked about any secret A list material, and the songs she did rave about, like Moonbeam Levels (I think that's too early to be Purple Rain era anyways) isn't going to replace any of the Purple Rain hits.

i think they were completely unheard songs..and prince said they were A list songs not morris

I'll take any bet that says the songs on Purple Rain were the b-songs and the unheard ones are better. Prince god bless him loved to say stuff like that. It's the difference reading about the Black Album in 1987 and listening to it on cd in 1994.

ill bet prince figured after purple rain that his best stuff wouldnt sell MORE than his other stuff so why bother releasing the best material.....

I'll bet Prince figured Purple & Gold was one of the best things he ever did.

JorisE73 said:

AaronReturn2005 said:

I've heard that @Neversin posted the tracklisting of this unreleased album a long time ago. Does anyone know where that post was or something? I need help for a fellow (Reddit) r/Prince member who's heard of this possible rumor.

I posted this somewhere else but I'll paste it here to:

I asked around and it seems Neversin posted multiple tracklists and screenshots of possible artwork mockups of multiple versions of 'The Dawn', 'Rave '89', 'Heart' and other unreleased albums but didn't post it on Prince.org but on some Onion (access with TOR Browser) site in the years he was banned from Prince.org and other sites but he only pposted the links for some traders and not to the rest of us.
The traders that have the tracklosts and artwork won't share and say the links are dead again I only heard him mention Onion sites only once in Prince.org years ago, I never knew he was on there, but it seems when he was banned on the regular sites he posted alot of stuff and info there and shared it with a select few. Maybe you could orgnote or mail him for info, it is worth a shot i think.

I never heard of Onion sites until Teh Silk Road got busted some years ago.

I do know that some traders already showed the 'Rave '89' artwork they said they got from Neversin (which I didn;t believe was real then) some years before it was shared by the artist (Steve Parke?) after Prince died.

This explains so much.

Genesia said:

JorisE73 said:

I posted this somewhere else but I'll paste it here to:

I asked around and it seems Neversin posted multiple tracklists and screenshots of possible artwork mockups of multiple versions of 'The Dawn', 'Rave '89', 'Heart' and other unreleased albums but didn't post it on Prince.org but on some Onion (access with TOR Browser) site in the years he was banned from Prince.org and other sites but he only pposted the links for some traders and not to the rest of us.
The traders that have the tracklosts and artwork won't share and say the links are dead again I only heard him mention Onion sites only once in Prince.org years ago, I never knew he was on there, but it seems when he was banned on the regular sites he posted alot of stuff and info there and shared it with a select few. Maybe you could orgnote or mail him for info, it is worth a shot i think.

I never heard of Onion sites until Teh Silk Road got busted some years ago.

I do know that some traders already showed the 'Rave '89' artwork they said they got from Neversin (which I didn;t believe was real then) some years before it was shared by the artist (Steve Parke?) after Prince died.

This explains so much.

so now u cant post bootleg links AND track lists??? ..org mania

jfenster said:

Genesia said:

This explains so much.

so now u cant post bootleg links AND track lists??? ..org mania

Why did you quote me? I didn't say anything about that stuff.

Genesia said:

jfenster said:

so now u cant post bootleg links AND track lists??? ..org mania

Why did you quote me? I didn't say anything about that stuff.

my mistake