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Thread started 01/06/20 3:05pm

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The Dawn 1993 tracklisting

I've heard that @Neversin posted the tracklisting of this unreleased album a long time ago. Does anyone know where that post was or something? I need help for a fellow (Reddit) r/Prince member who's heard of this possible rumor.

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Reply #1 posted 01/06/20 3:12pm

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Use the custom search box on the upper right to search before you ask questions.


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Reply #2 posted 01/06/20 5:18pm

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luv4u said:

Use the custom search box on the upper right to search before you ask questions.



What’s wrong with asking again? Who’s got hours to trawl thru all the posts that mention The Dawn? Too much moderation strangles a site like this. Not very welcoming to a new member is it? 😡
[Edited 1/6/20 17:19pm]
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Reply #3 posted 01/06/20 6:19pm

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Reply #4 posted 01/06/20 6:55pm

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kookooman73 said:

luv4u said:

Use the custom search box on the upper right to search before you ask questions.


What’s wrong with asking again? Who’s got hours to trawl thru all the posts that mention The Dawn? Too much moderation strangles a site like this. Not very welcoming to a new member is it? 😡 [Edited 1/6/20 17:19pm]

Some folks are too lazy to look first when the answer is in the search feature. And they are not a new member lol

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Reply #5 posted 01/07/20 6:10am

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I don't think any tracklist has ever been confirmed, am I wrong?

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Reply #6 posted 01/07/20 6:55am

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I don't think any tracklist has ever been confirmed, am I wrong?

You're not wrong - especially because there was never one even remotely close to finalized. The Dawn is a project that Prince came back to time and time and time again - usually when he was on a recording bender and had tons of really great music laying around.

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The Come/Gold/etc sessions were a period where this happened too. But obviously, WB would never have put a 3 disc opus out in the midst of him waging full out war with them. Nothing but a concept at this time, and a fleeting one at that.

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Reply #7 posted 01/07/20 1:45pm

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It was also the name of Prince's first website, which I had forgotten. And a song from The Truth. Anyone ever visit that website? How long did it last?

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Reply #8 posted 01/07/20 2:43pm

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It was also the name of Prince's first website, which I had forgotten. And a song from The Truth. Anyone ever visit that website? How long did it last?

http://princeonlinemuseum...edawn-com/

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Reply #9 posted 01/08/20 6:15pm

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“Hide The Bone” truly should have appeared on a Prince album back then.Yeah I know we got it on the CB set,but I mean on a studio album.I think it is an underrated funk masterpiece!
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Reply #10 posted 01/09/20 4:28am

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kookooman73 said:

Who’s got hours to trawl thru all the posts that mention The Dawn?

But you want someone else to do it.

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Reply #11 posted 01/09/20 6:18am

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kookooman73 said:

luv4u said:

Use the custom search box on the upper right to search before you ask questions.


What’s wrong with asking again? Who’s got hours to trawl thru all the posts that mention The Dawn? Too much moderation strangles a site like this. Not very welcoming to a new member is it? 😡 [Edited 1/6/20 17:19pm]

It's just a suggestion, not a command. Too much soft skin gets easily punctured. Thicken that shit up.

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Reply #12 posted 01/09/20 1:00pm

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Go to princevault.com...
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Reply #13 posted 01/15/20 11:14am

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“Hide The Bone” truly should have appeared on a Prince album back then.Yeah I know we got it on the CB set,but I mean on a studio album.I think it is an underrated funk masterpiece!

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Look here. This is time well spent, but Hide the Bone is 12 minutes in...

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Reply #14 posted 01/15/20 11:37am

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emotional crucifixtion .....any lyrics aroound?

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Reply #15 posted 01/15/20 1:24pm

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SoulAlive said:

“Hide The Bone” truly should have appeared on a Prince album back then.Yeah I know we got it on the CB set,but I mean on a studio album.I think it is an underrated funk masterpiece!

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Look here. This is time well spent, but Hide the Bone is 12 minutes in...

Thanks thumbs up!

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Reply #16 posted 01/16/20 2:24am

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AaronReturn2005 said:

I've heard that @Neversin posted the tracklisting of this unreleased album a long time ago. Does anyone know where that post was or something? I need help for a fellow (Reddit) r/Prince member who's heard of this possible rumor.


I posted this somewhere else but I'll paste it here to:

I asked around and it seems Neversin posted multiple tracklists and screenshots of possible artwork mockups of multiple versions of 'The Dawn', 'Rave '89', 'Heart' and other unreleased albums but didn't post it on Prince.org but on some Onion (access with TOR Browser) site in the years he was banned from Prince.org and other sites but he only pposted the links for some traders and not to the rest of us.
The traders that have the tracklosts and artwork won't share and say the links are dead again
I only heard him mention Onion sites only once in Prince.org years ago, I never knew he was on there, but it seems when he was banned on the regular sites he posted alot of stuff and info there and shared it with a select few. Maybe you could orgnote or mail him for info, it is worth a shot i think.

I never heard of Onion sites until Teh Silk Road got busted some years ago.
I do know that some traders already showed the 'Rave '89' artwork they said they got from Neversin (which I didn;t believe was real then) some years before it was shared by the artist (Steve Parke?) after Prince died.
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Reply #17 posted 01/16/20 5:26am

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luv4u said:

Use the custom search box on the upper right to search before you ask questions.




I usually try the search box first, but only about 50% of the time do I find the answer to my question. That's not necessarily because the answer isn't somewhere in the archives of Org posts. The problem is the answer buried and difficult to find.

Using the search box gives you hundreds of results. Even if you take the time to open up dozens of threads and read through their dozens of pages you can still miss what you're loking for because you're overwhelmed.

Bottom line, the seach box has some value, but it's not something people can completely rely on. I can't fault people for asking questions.



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Reply #18 posted 01/16/20 6:24am

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lurker316 said:

luv4u said:

Use the custom search box on the upper right to search before you ask questions.




I usually try the search box first, but only about 50% of the time do I find the answer to my question. That's not necessarily because the answer isn't somewhere in the archives of Org posts. The problem is the answer buried and difficult to find.

Using the search box gives you hundreds of results. Even if you take the time to open up dozens of threads and read through their dozens of pages you can still miss what you're loking for because you're overwhelmed.

Bottom line, the seach box has some value, but it's not something people can completely rely on. I can't fault people for asking questions.




Same here. The search engine is useful about half the time I try it. But then the other half the time I can spend hours and not find what I'm searching for. It depends what your seaching and how much you have to trawl through.

So my rule is, I use the search, if I find what I'm looking for in 10-15 minutes, GREAT!

If I don't find it in that time frame I stop wasting time and ask.

Although, I'd start with "I tried the search function to no avail so I thought I'd ask..."


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Reply #19 posted 01/16/20 12:10pm

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if we have the tracklist..does that mean somone(s) actually have the tracks?

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Reply #20 posted 01/18/20 10:50am

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databank said:

3rdeyedude said:

It was also the name of Prince's first website, which I had forgotten. And a song from The Truth. Anyone ever visit that website? How long did it last?

http://princeonlinemuseum...edawn-com/

oh cool! thanks!!

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Reply #21 posted 02/21/20 5:42pm

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Mentioned in Prince vs. Warner Brothers:

"In February, prince made the first known configuration of Gold, which like the Black Album was to be identified by its cover color. It started out with two tracks from the unreleased Come album.

prince: untitled (February 1994)
1. Come
2. Endorphin Machine
3. Hide The Bone
4. Chaos And Disorder
5. Listen 2 The Rhythm
6. Now
7. Right The Wrong
8. Acknowledge Me
9. Ripopgodazippa
10. The Most Beautiful Girl In The World
11. 319
12. Shy
13. Billy Jack Bitch
14. Eye Hate U

15. Gold"

[Edited 2/21/20 17:43pm]

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Reply #22 posted 02/22/20 4:55am

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JorisE73 said:

AaronReturn2005 said:

I've heard that @Neversin posted the tracklisting of this unreleased album a long time ago. Does anyone know where that post was or something? I need help for a fellow (Reddit) r/Prince member who's heard of this possible rumor.


I posted this somewhere else but I'll paste it here to:

I asked around and it seems Neversin posted multiple tracklists and screenshots of possible artwork mockups of multiple versions of 'The Dawn', 'Rave '89', 'Heart' and other unreleased albums but didn't post it on Prince.org but on some Onion (access with TOR Browser) site in the years he was banned from Prince.org and other sites but he only pposted the links for some traders and not to the rest of us.
The traders that have the tracklosts and artwork won't share and say the links are dead again
I only heard him mention Onion sites only once in Prince.org years ago, I never knew he was on there, but it seems when he was banned on the regular sites he posted alot of stuff and info there and shared it with a select few. Maybe you could orgnote or mail him for info, it is worth a shot i think.

I never heard of Onion sites until Teh Silk Road got busted some years ago.
I do know that some traders already showed the 'Rave '89' artwork they said they got from Neversin (which I didn;t believe was real then) some years before it was shared by the artist (Steve Parke?) after Prince died.


This is fascinating stuff. If anyone here has ever come across these LP mock ups please hit me up as I'd love to see them. I did try Goggling Steve Parke and the Rave artwork but had no joy (pun not intended). All I kept getting was results for Rave '99.

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Reply #23 posted 02/22/20 11:31am

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JorisE73 said:

I asked around and it seems Neversin posted multiple tracklists and screenshots of possible artwork mockups of multiple versions of 'The Dawn', 'Rave '89', 'Heart' and other unreleased albums but didn't post it on Prince.org but on some Onion (access with TOR Browser) site in the years he was banned from Prince.org and other sites but he only pposted the links for some traders and not to the rest of us.

PrinceVault.com listes a 1996 Dawn album with the eletric Welcome 2 The Dawn and TMBGITW Mustang Mix '96 for some reason (the leaked cover art for the Mustang Mix 96 single mentions a Warner release and a promo to TheDawn.com). Did that come from Neversin?

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Reply #24 posted 02/23/20 6:23am

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I dunno about anyone else but The Dawn from 1996 is what interests me most. He got as far as advertising it on his promo material around the time and while that isn't much to talk about with a lot of projects, this is one he wanted to release for around a decade at that point.

So what changed? He went from planning Emancipation and CB and The Dawn to... Newpower Soul and right into Rave 99. Was he just really that desperate to do another "NPG" album (albeit this time nearly devoid of the NPG)??? Was that material, in his mind, really better than what was slated for The Dawn? It beggars belief.
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Was he just really that desperate to do another "NPG" album (albeit this time nearly devoid of the NPG)???

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NPS was originally announced as a Prince album, and then a week or so later he changed his mind, announced it as an NPG album and blamed the previous reporting on unsubstantiated rumors, despite that reporting being based on a press relese.

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NPS was also offered to multiple European companies, my local record shop at the time told me that he'd been visited by three reps for different companies over the length of a month telling him they were the ones who were gonna release the record (third and final one were BMG). One of the companies that "missed out" had previously released NPG stuff and were mightily pissd off that Prince reneged on their deal.

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Reply #26 posted 02/23/20 7:58am

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LoveGalore said:





Was he just really that desperate to do another "NPG" album (albeit this time nearly devoid of the NPG)???



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NPS was originally announced as a Prince album, and then a week or so later he changed his mind, announced it as an NPG album and blamed the previous reporting on unsubstantiated rumors, despite that reporting being based on a press relese.


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NPS was also offered to multiple European companies, my local record shop at the time told me that he'd been visited by three reps for different companies over the length of a month telling him they were the ones who were gonna release the record (third and final one were BMG). One of the companies that "missed out" had previously released NPG stuff and were mightily pissd off that Prince reneged on their deal.



Even more puzzling then!

I could see him preferring to break up the 93 concept into several other projects and release them individually for a few reasons (his temperament not the least among them).

But to scrap The Dawn for Newpower Soul seems really bewildering. Especially to then change his mind by downgrading it from a canon release to an associate release this way.

He did way more promo for NPS than Exodus too. (did he do any promo for Exodus??)
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Reply #27 posted 02/23/20 10:42am

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LoveGalore said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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NPS was originally announced as a Prince album, and then a week or so later he changed his mind, announced it as an NPG album and blamed the previous reporting on unsubstantiated rumors, despite that reporting being based on a press relese.

.

NPS was also offered to multiple European companies, my local record shop at the time told me that he'd been visited by three reps for different companies over the length of a month telling him they were the ones who were gonna release the record (third and final one were BMG). One of the companies that "missed out" had previously released NPG stuff and were mightily pissd off that Prince reneged on their deal.

Even more puzzling then! I could see him preferring to break up the 93 concept into several other projects and release them individually for a few reasons (his temperament not the least among them). But to scrap The Dawn for Newpower Soul seems really bewildering. Especially to then change his mind by downgrading it from a canon release to an associate release this way. He did way more promo for NPS than Exodus too. (did he do any promo for Exodus??)

Doing promo for Exodus was tricky, because it was in the midst of the battle with WB, the 'slave' era, etc... he was under contract to WB still at that point, and couldn't officially appear on Exodus... hence he was 'Tora Tora'... I vaguely remember seeing the New Power Generation late one night in the UK, promoting Exodus (and possibly playing Get Wild?), and when they were interviewed, Prince was wearing the red veil and was announced as Tora Tora. It was all about it being an NPG album, with no mention of 'Prince'.... I want to say it was on Channel 4, maybe The White Room?

EDIT before posting: Okay, I forgot that Princevault goes into that much detail on individual songs... and I was right! It was Get Wild on The White Room, in April 95...

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Rimshottbob said:



LoveGalore said:


BartVanHemelen said:


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NPS was originally announced as a Prince album, and then a week or so later he changed his mind, announced it as an NPG album and blamed the previous reporting on unsubstantiated rumors, despite that reporting being based on a press relese.


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NPS was also offered to multiple European companies, my local record shop at the time told me that he'd been visited by three reps for different companies over the length of a month telling him they were the ones who were gonna release the record (third and final one were BMG). One of the companies that "missed out" had previously released NPG stuff and were mightily pissd off that Prince reneged on their deal.



Even more puzzling then! I could see him preferring to break up the 93 concept into several other projects and release them individually for a few reasons (his temperament not the least among them). But to scrap The Dawn for Newpower Soul seems really bewildering. Especially to then change his mind by downgrading it from a canon release to an associate release this way. He did way more promo for NPS than Exodus too. (did he do any promo for Exodus??)



Doing promo for Exodus was tricky, because it was in the midst of the battle with WB, the 'slave' era, etc... he was under contract to WB still at that point, and couldn't officially appear on Exodus... hence he was 'Tora Tora'... I vaguely remember seeing the New Power Generation late one night in the UK, promoting Exodus (and possibly playing Get Wild?), and when they were interviewed, Prince was wearing the red veil and was announced as Tora Tora. It was all about it being an NPG album, with no mention of 'Prince'.... I want to say it was on Channel 4, maybe The White Room?



EDIT before posting: Okay, I forgot that Princevault goes into that much detail on individual songs... and I was right! It was Get Wild on The White Room, in April 95...





Yes, they played Get Wild and Count The Days on The White Room.
Also, Get Wild on Top Of The Pops
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Rimshottbob said:

LoveGalore said:

BartVanHemelen said: Even more puzzling then! I could see him preferring to break up the 93 concept into several other projects and release them individually for a few reasons (his temperament not the least among them). But to scrap The Dawn for Newpower Soul seems really bewildering. Especially to then change his mind by downgrading it from a canon release to an associate release this way. He did way more promo for NPS than Exodus too. (did he do any promo for Exodus??)

Doing promo for Exodus was tricky, because it was in the midst of the battle with WB, the 'slave' era, etc... he was under contract to WB still at that point, and couldn't officially appear on Exodus... hence he was 'Tora Tora'... I vaguely remember seeing the New Power Generation late one night in the UK, promoting Exodus (and possibly playing Get Wild?), and when they were interviewed, Prince was wearing the red veil and was announced as Tora Tora. It was all about it being an NPG album, with no mention of 'Prince'.... I want to say it was on Channel 4, maybe The White Room?

EDIT before posting: Okay, I forgot that Princevault goes into that much detail on individual songs... and I was right! It was Get Wild on The White Room, in April 95...


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