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Reply #180 posted 11/02/19 12:42pm

violetcrush

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AaronReturn2005 said:


Here's a truthful review, explaing why some people couldn't stand the hype about it. https://slate.com/culture...-ones.html



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Hype sells product. People believe hype, even if it is absurd sometimes. Of course most all marketing is bullsh*t.



He barely started the book, so of course there's no way it could be incredible autobiography.


Right. If he had had more time and continued to write in the same way as he did with the first 50 pages it would have been a most incredible auto biography. But, as I mentioned in an earlier post - his songs/albums really tell his life story - literally year by year - by expressing his views, relationships and/or events in his life. This is confirmed with what he wrote in the book about his childhood and songs that he had written years ago.
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Reply #181 posted 11/02/19 1:23pm

violetcrush

TheTruth123 said:

violetcrush said:


I think the complications in his relationship with his Mother may have contributed to his relationship issues with women, and/or people in general. Then again, his Mother re-married and stayed with Hayward, but his Father never settled down.
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Hard to say for sure, but the family conflicts certainly stuck with him throughout his life.


I haven’t read everything he’s written yet, but so far it seems he omitted (probably from his mind too) any faults of his father’s - due to his worshiping of his dad and wanting his approval. Maybe his father was the better parent, but I don’t think his father was perfect.

Oh no, his Father was far from perfect, especially if the song Papa was at least partially autobiographical. He did write about his Mother holding him up as a shield from his Father coming after her during a fight, but it seems he mainly blames his Mother for that - and he should as she should never have done that, however, his Father is to blame too.
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He also did not write about his Father forcing him to leave the apartment after he found him in bed with a girl. He knew Prince had nowhere to go, but still would not allow him to come back. In the 1985 RS interview he stated that was the last time he cried. So, I would think that experience with his Father had to have hardened his heart even more.
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I think their love of music and performing made his bond with his Dad stronger.
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Reply #182 posted 11/02/19 1:42pm

PeggyO

I loved Prince's rendition of his first? kiss with Petey. He was probably around 16 and seemed SOOO

grateful to this girl. I was happy for him but realized he was very tentative and seemed inexperienced.

It makes me question his 'entertaining' 12 y/o girls at his dad's apt. (which led to his eviction)...I think that is fan/Morris lore.

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Reply #183 posted 11/02/19 1:50pm

mnfriend

TheTruth123 said:

mnfriend said:

quote from the wordy negative review from above:

"So it’s currently impossible to point to the rightful custodians of his work, and it’s wrenching, given what we know about Prince’s feelings about that."

Really? How are you so sure about Prince's wishes/feelings/ hopes for his material after he died?
Did he leave a will and testament explaining it to you?

No. He did not. So don't claim. The author did meet with Prince over the last 3 months of his life, did get handwritten pages from Prince in those last 3 months,

and did get full access to the vault to go through his stuff! He saw it all, and picked out all the handwritten lyrics that were carefully kept together in 1 place/ all clamped/secured together.

I thought I read somewhere that the author only spent 12 face to face hours with Prince in total.

Honestly, being with Prince the last 3 months of his life, whether 12-1200 of purposeful speaking, plus Prince's handwritten own words, never seen before hw lyrics, description of vault after death

fresh fresh fresh and Thank You

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Reply #184 posted 11/02/19 2:06pm

Shockadelica9

PeggyO said:



I loved Prince's rendition of his first? kiss with Petey. He was probably around 16 and seemed SOOO


grateful to this girl. I was happy for him but realized he was very tentative and seemed inexperienced.



It makes me question his 'entertaining' 12 y/o girls at his dad's apt. (which led to his eviction)...I think that is fan/Morris lore.






Petey wasn’t his first kiss or girlfriend. his first girlfriend was Debbie, petey was his crush
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Reply #185 posted 11/02/19 2:16pm

PeggyO

Shockadelica9 said:

PeggyO said:

I loved Prince's rendition of his first? kiss with Petey. He was probably around 16 and seemed SOOO

grateful to this girl. I was happy for him but realized he was very tentative and seemed inexperienced.

It makes me question his 'entertaining' 12 y/o girls at his dad's apt. (which led to his eviction)...I think that is fan/Morris lore.

Petey wasn’t his first kiss or girlfriend. his first girlfriend was Debbie, petey was his crush

My mistake...

My point was that I don't think he was entertaining girls at his dad's apt. at age 12; he seemed shy and inexperienced (IMO).

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Reply #186 posted 11/02/19 3:30pm

violetcrush

PeggyO said:



Shockadelica9 said:


PeggyO said:



I loved Prince's rendition of his first? kiss with Petey. He was probably around 16 and seemed SOOO


grateful to this girl. I was happy for him but realized he was very tentative and seemed inexperienced.



It makes me question his 'entertaining' 12 y/o girls at his dad's apt. (which led to his eviction)...I think that is fan/Morris lore.







Petey wasn’t his first kiss or girlfriend. his first girlfriend was Debbie, petey was his crush


My mistake...


My point was that I don't think he was entertaining girls at his dad's apt. at age 12; he seemed shy and inexperienced (IMO).



I think the “shy with girls” was prior to middle school. It’s been confirmed that he was living with Andre by age 13 after shuffling around between various places including his Aunt’s house. He and Andre were having parties with girls in his basement during that time. So, I think it is feasible that he had a girl at his Dad’s place - not sleeping with her but probably fooling around.
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Reply #187 posted 11/02/19 4:22pm

icecreamcastle
777

PeggyO said:

I loved Prince's rendition of his first? kiss with Petey. He was probably around 16 and seemed SOOO

grateful to this girl. I was happy for him but realized he was very tentative and seemed inexperienced.

It makes me question his 'entertaining' 12 y/o girls at his dad's apt. (which led to his eviction)...I think that is fan/Morris lore.

.

Agree 100. This is why I always feined to hear Prince speak for himself. Prince didn't mention a damn thing about being kicked ot of his house because of a girl. I always felt in my heart like that was made up. Prince said his father called and ask his aunt Olivia if he could live with her. I believe him. Don't need no confirmation from no one else.

With the "lore," I think it's more like "associate's lore." They're the ones everybody gets this stuff from. like what happened to Kim Upsher or Susan Moonsie who the biographies and everyone and their mama was claiming was his High School sweetheart?? Only recently did the 'Susan was his High school sweetheart thing' die down after all em' years...

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Reply #188 posted 11/02/19 4:25pm

icecreamcastle
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Is this the oficial book club now?

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Reply #189 posted 11/02/19 4:47pm

violetcrush

icecreamcastle777 said:



PeggyO said:




I loved Prince's rendition of his first? kiss with Petey. He was probably around 16 and seemed SOOO


grateful to this girl. I was happy for him but realized he was very tentative and seemed inexperienced.



It makes me question his 'entertaining' 12 y/o girls at his dad's apt. (which led to his eviction)...I think that is fan/Morris lore.







.



Agree 100. This is why I always feined to hear Prince speak for himself. Prince didn't mention a damn thing about being kicked ot of his house because of a girl. I always felt in my heart like that was made up. Prince said his father called and ask his aunt Olivia if he could live with her. I believe him. Don't need no confirmation from no one else.







With the "lore," I think it's more like "associate's lore." They're the ones everybody gets this stuff from. like what happened to Kim Upsher or Susan Moonsie who the biographies and everyone and their mama was claiming was his High School sweetheart?? Only recently did the 'Susan was his High school sweetheart thing' die down after all em' years...






He told the story of his Dad kicking him out and calling him from a pay phone to apologize but his Father still would not rage him back in. He said he sat on the curb and cried for 2 hours, and it was the last time he cried like that. Look up the 1985 RS interview on princevault.com. One of his most open and honest interviews, because he was in such a good place.
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Reply #191 posted 11/02/19 5:49pm

violetcrush

violetcrush said:

icecreamcastle777 said:

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Agree 100. This is why I always feined to hear Prince speak for himself. Prince didn't mention a damn thing about being kicked ot of his house because of a girl. I always felt in my heart like that was made up. Prince said his father called and ask his aunt Olivia if he could live with her. I believe him. Don't need no confirmation from no one else.

With the "lore," I think it's more like "associate's lore." They're the ones everybody gets this stuff from. like what happened to Kim Upsher or Susan Moonsie who the biographies and everyone and their mama was claiming was his High School sweetheart?? Only recently did the 'Susan was his High school sweetheart thing' die down after all em' years...

He told the story of his Dad kicking him out and calling him from a pay phone to apologize but his Father still would not rage him back in. He said he sat on the curb and cried for 2 hours, and it was the last time he cried like that. Look up the 1985 RS interview on princevault.com. One of his most open and honest interviews, because he was in such a good place.

Rolling Stone 1985 interview:

*

"Across the street from McDonald’s, Prince spies a smaller landmark. He points to a vacant corner phone booth and remembers a teenage fight with a strict and unforgiving father. “That’s where I called my dad and begged him to take me back after he kicked me out,” he begins softly. “He said no, so I called my sister and asked her to ask him. So she did, and afterward told me that all I had to do was call him back, tell him I was sorry, and he’s take me back. So I did, and he still said no. I sat crying at that phone booth for two hours. That’s the last time I cried.” "

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Reply #192 posted 11/02/19 6:16pm

mnfriend

Everything was more dramatic back then. And it was 'normal' to stay overnight at your friends house. We were young people with feet outside on the streets everyday, engaging in life, parties, music, friendships. Many of 'us' had no parents in the house, latch key households, no-one home parents not minding the store so to speak....

circa Mpls MN in the early 80's.

[Edited 11/2/19 18:17pm]

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Reply #193 posted 11/02/19 6:50pm

TheTruth123

mnfriend said:

I think it's a mature comment (keep part of yourself/heart to yourself)


Dare I say, I take it to mean


no human or thing or whatever you seek wholeheartedly outside yourself


will complete or fill or make whole


for anyone.


It is that part that you can only go to God with


like a dark night of the soul experience


I think there is a time in every person's life


when your face hits the asphalt


no-where left to turn


It is you and whomever whatever gets you through.



or maybe I'm a warped gal from Mpls.



But it is sage advice. You would tell it to your children. Keep yourself intact, true, etc.



EXACTLY what I mean.
I was thinking about this today and all I came up with is, “He’s right.”
Everything can and should be shared with a spiritual mentor (we need a confessor), but not with our romantic partner.
That doesn’t mean we can’t be really close. It just means some things we need to work out with someone else.
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Reply #194 posted 11/02/19 7:01pm

TheTruth123

violetcrush said:

TheTruth123 said:



I haven’t read everything he’s written yet, but so far it seems he omitted (probably from his mind too) any faults of his father’s - due to his worshiping of his dad and wanting his approval. Maybe his father was the better parent, but I don’t think his father was perfect.

Oh no, his Father was far from perfect, especially if the song Papa was at least partially autobiographical. He did write about his Mother holding him up as a shield from his Father coming after her during a fight, but it seems he mainly blames his Mother for that - and he should as she should never have done that, however, his Father is to blame too.
*
He also did not write about his Father forcing him to leave the apartment after he found him in bed with a girl. He knew Prince had nowhere to go, but still would not allow him to come back. In the 1985 RS interview he stated that was the last time he cried. So, I would think that experience with his Father had to have hardened his heart even more.
*
I think their love of music and performing made his bond with his Dad stronger.



I wonder which is true: what he said in Rolling Stone in 1985, or what he said in the book. I feel he omitted something. His father wanted him to leave because there was “no room”? Could this be possible? Maybe he just did not want to bring up the subject of the girl, if that is what happened. But I feel something more had to be the case then what he said in the book.

And we don’t know about the parents, but anything could’ve happened. His mother might’ve been such a handful that his father flipped out sometimes. It is not an excuse for physical stuff, but there are also women who hit men. There are women who do a lot of things to men, and then cry victim when they get retaliated against. She might’ve needled him a lot. And his father might have not left for a number of reasons. Or, maybe the two of them just went at it until they finally got away from each other.
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Reply #195 posted 11/02/19 7:01pm

icecreamcastle
777

violetcrush said:

violetcrush said:

icecreamcastle777 said: He told the story of his Dad kicking him out and calling him from a pay phone to apologize but his Father still would not rage him back in. He said he sat on the curb and cried for 2 hours, and it was the last time he cried like that. Look up the 1985 RS interview on princevault.com. One of his most open and honest interviews, because he was in such a good place.

Rolling Stone 1985 interview:

*

"Across the street from McDonald’s, Prince spies a smaller landmark. He points to a vacant corner phone booth and remembers a teenage fight with a strict and unforgiving father. “That’s where I called my dad and begged him to take me back after he kicked me out,” he begins softly. “He said no, so I called my sister and asked her to ask him. So she did, and afterward told me that all I had to do was call him back, tell him I was sorry, and he’s take me back. So I did, and he still said no. I sat crying at that phone booth for two hours. That’s the last time I cried.” "

Yea, knew that already. He didn't mention anything about being kicked out of his house because of a girl like I said. Prince said in this here book that his father asked his Aunt Olivia if he could live with him because the apartment was too small. Nothing, nada, about being kicked out of the house becuase of a girl. You don't know the full details of why he was calling asking to go back home. Who knows, maybe he didn't wanna live with his aunt Olivia, but Prince never mentioned being kicked out of the house over any girl in this book. That info came from all the associates.
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Reply #196 posted 11/02/19 7:04pm

TheTruth123

mnfriend said:



TheTruth123 said:


mnfriend said:



quote from the wordy negative review from above:



"So it’s currently impossible to point to the rightful custodians of his work, and it’s wrenching, given what we know about Prince’s feelings about that."



Really? How are you so sure about Prince's wishes/feelings/ hopes for his material after he died?
Did he leave a will and testament explaining it to you?



No. He did not. So don't claim. The author did meet with Prince over the last 3 months of his life, did get handwritten pages from Prince in those last 3 months,


and did get full access to the vault to go through his stuff! He saw it all, and picked out all the handwritten lyrics that were carefully kept together in 1 place/ all clamped/secured together.





I thought I read somewhere that the author only spent 12 face to face hours with Prince in total.

Honestly, being with Prince the last 3 months of his life, whether 12-1200 of purposeful speaking, plus Prince's handwritten own words, never seen before hw lyrics, description of vault after death


fresh fresh fresh and Thank You



Yes, this guy Dan seems very bright and I think got a good sense of who Prince was.
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Reply #197 posted 11/02/19 7:07pm

TheTruth123

mnfriend said:

Everything was more dramatic back then. And it was 'normal' to stay overnight at your friends house. We were young people with feet outside on the streets everyday, engaging in life, parties, music, friendships. Many of 'us' had no parents in the house, latch key households, no-one home parents not minding the store so to speak....


circa Mpls MN in the early 80's.

[Edited 11/2/19 18:17pm]



Circa everywhere in the 1970s & 80s. Especially any American city.
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Reply #198 posted 11/02/19 7:23pm

icecreamcastle
777

I always knew this, but what really jumped out at me was that the struggles he had in his relationships were clearly tied to the struggles he had with his mother. He even made the contrast to it in his handwritten script for Dreams when he mentioned that Vanity reminded him much like his mother and it sets him off into schizophrenia. Weird as hell that Vanity actually died the same day his mother died. Both on Feburary 15th. His mother was definitely a big factor in the reason he felt more comfortable dating the demure quiet girls who was content to stay at home and didn't give him too much trouble.

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Reply #199 posted 11/02/19 7:28pm

TheTruth123

I have always noticed that prince had very strong forearms and wide wrists for his size. Did anybody notice that his mother also has larger wrists? This is noticeable in the photo of her standing by his crib. Yes, I notice details! smile
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Reply #200 posted 11/02/19 7:30pm

icecreamcastle
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One of my favorite things about the book was just the way Prince wrote. I could read his shit all day... yes prince

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Reply #201 posted 11/02/19 7:43pm

RJP1205

I am so thankful for this book and appreciative for what we got. I'm sure I'll be re-reading many times. Do you all feel you understand or know Prince better now because of it? My answer is no but I still love it.
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Reply #202 posted 11/02/19 8:13pm

violetcrush

RJP1205 said:

I am so thankful for this book and appreciative for what we got. I'm sure I'll be re-reading many times. Do you all feel you understand or know Prince better now because of it? My answer is no but I still love it.

I love his writing and the extra detail about his family dynamic and childhood, but the past Biographies and his songs about his life were quite on target. It’s great to read his writing of it though, and I wish he had been able to get through more years.
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Reply #203 posted 11/02/19 8:20pm

RJP1205

violetcrush said:

RJP1205 said:

I am so thankful for this book and appreciative for what we got. I'm sure I'll be re-reading many times. Do you all feel you understand or know Prince better now because of it? My answer is no but I still love it.

I love his writing and the extra detail about his family dynamic and childhood, but the past Biographies and his songs about his life were quite on target. It’s great to read his writing of it though, and I wish he had been able to get through more years.

Me too...I would love to read so much more.
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Reply #204 posted 11/02/19 8:58pm

mnfriend

icecreamcastle777 said:

I always knew this, but what really jumped out at me was that the struggles he had in his relationships were clearly tied to the struggles he had with his mother. He even made the contrast to it in his handwritten script for Dreams when he mentioned that Vanity reminded him much like his mother and it sets him off into schizophrenia. Weird as hell that Vanity actually died the same day his mother died. Both on Feburary 15th. His mother was definitely a big factor in the reason he felt more comfortable dating the demure quiet girls who was content to stay at home and didn't give him too much trouble.

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That is weird about the dates, but then again with Prince it's not.

And who wouldn't prefer calmer, less antagonizing women in their life? LOL.

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Reply #205 posted 11/02/19 9:01pm

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When he died they said he had only completed approx. 50 pages. So where did the rest of it come from?


My guess is the publisher exaggerated when they announced it was 50 pages. They assumed they would pad the actual 28 handwritten pages to equal 50. Or, they simply lied.
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Reply #206 posted 11/02/19 9:12pm

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I dont want the book to end.





[Edited 11/3/19 5:52am]

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Reply #207 posted 11/02/19 9:15pm

Bighead

After all the hype, this book is very disappointing. Great pictures, but a simple money grab
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Reply #208 posted 11/02/19 9:32pm

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Just finished reading it and looked over the pictures and read the pix descriptions again in the back. I am so glad we all have this book even if it is just a glimmer of what could have been.

I am tripping on P's original treatment for Purple Rain (Dreams). He was going in a dark, twisted but engaging direction.

For me, I feel I do understand P a tad bit more now by reading in his own words about his childhood experiences and about "one of his life's greatest dilemmas" - his mother and his father's conflicting personalities - their ying and yang relationship. Add to this the orignal treatment for Purple Rain, and I am tripping and my mind is all over the place. And even though I feel I understand P more, he is still an enigma to me.

I cried a couple times today about P, amoung other losses in my life. And Casey Rain's review of this book on the Violet Reality got me going today. I felt your somber energy through the TV screen Casey.

Damn Christopher, damn. I forgot how much I miss you man. I just let myself feel the emotions today and let the tears and sadness flow through my soul. For me it is good to remember again how much of an impact Prince had and continues to have on my soul and spirit.

If you dont have this book yet, get it and feel P's vibe throughout. You wont be disappointed but just left probably wanting more. 💜🎵🎶💜
"A strong spirit transcends rules." - Prince
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Reply #209 posted 11/03/19 12:45am

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violetcrush said:

TheTruth123 said:



I haven’t read everything he’s written yet, but so far it seems he omitted (probably from his mind too) any faults of his father’s - due to his worshiping of his dad and wanting his approval. Maybe his father was the better parent, but I don’t think his father was perfect.

Oh no, his Father was far from perfect, especially if the song Papa was at least partially autobiographical. He did write about his Mother holding him up as a shield from his Father coming after her during a fight, but it seems he mainly blames his Mother for that - and he should as she should never have done that, however, his Father is to blame too.
*
He also did not write about his Father forcing him to leave the apartment after he found him in bed with a girl. He knew Prince had nowhere to go, but still would not allow him to come back. In the 1985 RS interview he stated that was the last time he cried. So, I would think that experience with his Father had to have hardened his heart even more.
*
I think their love of music and performing made his bond with his Dad stronger.

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I thought that the song "papa" was about Mattie's second husband...
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"...no matter what, all will be fine, always."
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